VFM 49: SK win #rekt

[0verki11]

Rickdaily 12 has been lynched
They were Mafia Doc Switch
24 hours from now to send in night actions if you have one

[0verki11]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

[0verki11]

Tfoisforevah has been killed they were Citizen
Ejjinami has been killed they were Vigilante
48 hours glgl

[TheDebil]

ok we got 2 lynches here

me
chemist
qva
seth
grumpy are alive

each of us lets name 2 people who you think are the scummiest to you

im gonna say
1. grumpy
2. chemist

[TheDebil]

also ejji even tho rick might be a friend to you you shouldnt ever shy away from reading him or pushing him. especially him since is a dangerous player
hes not gonna think you are a bad person or anything its just a game and if he does that's a dick move

[GrumpyGoomba]

For me it's chemist and debil.

[Qvapil]

1. Goomba
2. Debil

I'm pretty sure it's goomba tbh. They've been coasting all game and had some questionable posts.

[Qvapil]

this time no long reads since ive mostly skimmed

[qvapil]
[goomba, chemist]
[tfios]
[rick]

rick is probably the highest scumread still, his overall tone early feels pandering and his stance on cupcake vs crimson d1 felt mafia like. other posts and reads dont really change my opinion. i think has decent chance to flip either of the scum allignments

chemist overall kinda weak too, his defense on seth feels towny but it might just be pure frustration because seth is a clown sometimes (sorry not sorry, drop that shit) . purpose slip or whatever that was supposed to be feels NAI, something i would do as town to try and clear myself. i dont really think scum would pull that but who the hell knows sometimes

seth is still seth, if the vig claim was cleared my read on him stays as pretty much locked town

qvapils other posts seem to be fine, gamesolvy and as other said, pure. not really scumreading this slot from the skim whatsoever but this still has potential to be scum, most likely sk tho

goomba's early vote on cupcake i liked, asctualy has a reason unlike cupcakes vote on uzay, which was simply a memevote, so i dont think a bus happened there. still a chance to be sk, moreso than qva since i think goomba is overall slightly more scummier

tfios probably my other candidate for a vote today, other than rick here. iso is mostly garbage, but i like her tone in defense , and push on rick, but otherwise this needs to die imo

qva and grumpy still exist seth

Debil you were on the fence about chemist yesterday, and you thought me/goomba were likely SK candidates. Why do you think it could be chemist over me?

I'm kinda paranoid you're trying to use the fact that seth will always vote chemist.

[Qvapil]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

[Chemist1422]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

neither their town or scum meta is like this but I’d call them town because other things

1. GG
2. Seth

[Seththeking]

This is what I was going to say before the thread was locked for Rick’s Flip:
@Chemist

See right now you don’t want to take any risks.
Your hoping Ejji doesn’t get to ISO you in time.
Your hoping Ejji doesn’t call you out on shooting you because then you’d Be locked SK
Your hoping if you do get what you want here you can manipulate town into miss Lynching and giving you the win.
Well chemist as long as I’m alive, I’ll make sure you don’t get your SK win.

^

Also not to mention I believe Chemist softed SK.
So In order for Chemist to not manipulate his way to victory I’ll do what Ejji requested me to do and explain why chemist’s arguments are bad.

So let’s go over a few things Chemist has said.
Also keep in mind I’m currently writing this on notepads before Rick has flipped yet.

Anyway, for the first 1 this was his response to the difference between NE and NK.

“Probably, because they have different wincons

The only time I ever played as NK was a meme game though so you probably won't be able to meta me on it”

NE can win with all Scum and NK must kill Town and Mafia.
I mean I’ll give you that 1 is harder then the other but the playstyle is still relatively similar.

Your also playing like your NE game but worse, which makes me believe that this is your NK playstyle.

What Meme game are you even referring to?

Now for the second one.
This is your response for when I caught you softing SK.

“I think you misunderstood my post

If Ejji says they’re shooting someone and that person is the SK, they’ll just flip so they don’t get shot”

Ok so I’m a little lost on this one so I’ll try and brake it down.
Ejji says they Shoot’s Player B the SK
SK will flip SK so they don’t get shot?????!!!??? :/


Here’s some of his comments I’ll also answer.

“1. It's not an SK soft at all, I refuted it and you called me flailing
2. Not puppeting, Dash and I agreed on a lot of reads.
3. If I was SK why would I need to vote Crimson? I wasn't a lynch target and he was almost definitely dying anyway.”

My response to “1.”
Refuted: prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
SK Flips SK! . Totally proved me wrong there fam!

My response to “2”
While most of them might be true I want you to see your Reactions with Crimson and Dash.
Not to mention always that much agreeing with Dash could also be signs of being SK. Also I think Sheeping is what I was looking for not Puppeting.

“Oh did you not hear

They got rid of spoilers for non-trusted

Also I don’t know why you’re under the assumption that I sheeping you and not that I had the idea separately but just posted it later”

“/vote Crimson

This has not been here and now it deserves to be

And if nothing else you can look at the spike in activity since he got wagoned”



My response to “3”

You voted Crimson in case they Flipped Mafia so you could appear more Town, However once you realized Crimson was Town is where my suspicion went away from Dash and onto you.


The I Claimed I can easily find more reads later today and instead of casually saying I’ll be waiting he responds with this
“There's three problems with that post

1. You're pandering again
2. You said something that you called me scum for saying
3. You're being rude”

Response for “1”
I’m not entirely sure what Pandering is but I assume it means Ramble on which is false because I wasn’t just deathtunneling you for the same thing but multiple things.

Response for “2”
What was that exactly?

Response for “3”
Oh yeah and that’s problematic how exactly?


Also not to mention these Posts are obviously contradicting recent statements.

“I think Zucker and tfios are both likely town though I'm less solid on Zucker after yesterday's EoD combined with the Crimson flip, tfios I already explained”

“Besides, didn't you think I was scum already? It feels like you're trying to justify it with the slip now.”
(Says that to Dash’s Slip Caught but not mine)

“I was aware of the slip when I typed the post

Not when I posted it”

“I Said: Says the guy that voted Crimson at the wrong time.
Chemist Replied with:
towqipghwqpoieghwqoeginw”


Also right here you didn’t want to be associated with Crimson if she Flipped Mafia.
“You're both trying to paint me as scum with the other

Drop your read on me or your read on Zucker. Same with you, Zucker. Drop your read on me or your read on Crimson.”

“Dash2 wrote:
I motion for a tfios lynch if they refuse to start posting meaningful content

Chemist replied with:
I'm not not okay with this

They play at their own pace but if they don't actually play they can get lynched”

“Crimson is slightly towny by tone but I want to see more from them”


Also this post by Chemist explains why SK killed Phone.

“Phone is genuinely solving and not self-aware at all, which is both townie and an improvement over his recent games”

Not to mention that Tfios called out Rick and we Lynched Rick.
Chemist didn’t call out rick because he was too worried about the chance of himself getting lynched.

However looking at ISO I can say Chemist as been doing the following:
FoS
Leaning on Town’s approval to attempt to stay safe
Accusing anyone he has a chance in Lynching without Lynching himself
Slipping
Not voting Tfios at end of vote count despite them being sure it’s Tfios.
Prob More.

Furthermore this should be clear that Chemist is the Serial Killer.

[Seththeking]

/Vote Chemist

Not sure why Vigilante Shot Tfios Over GG and Chemist.
After Rick was lynched it should have been clear Tfios was Town.

[Seththeking]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

neither their town or scum meta is like this but I’d call them town because other things

1. GG
2. Seth

I’m surprised you Actually put me on there.

[Qvapil]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

neither their town or scum meta is like this but I’d call them town because other things

1. GG
2. Seth

Is it because of their catchup wall? If that's TAI then from now on I'm always replacing in late and writing huge posts for freelo.

[Seththeking]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

neither their town or scum meta is like this but I’d call them town because other things

1. GG
2. Seth

Is it because of their catchup wall? If that's TAI then from now on I'm always replacing in late and writing huge posts for freelo.

Look at my Chemist response.
It legit has to be Chemist at this point.

[Chemist1422]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

neither their town or scum meta is like this but I’d call them town because other things

1. GG
2. Seth

Is it because of their catchup wall? If that's TAI then from now on I'm always replacing in late and writing huge posts for freelo.

It’s town indicative because the solving feels very real

[Chemist1422]

@chemist and seth, have you played with debil before? Could you give some insight on their meta?

neither their town or scum meta is like this but I’d call them town because other things

1. GG
2. Seth

Is it because of their catchup wall? If that's TAI then from now on I'm always replacing in late and writing huge posts for freelo.

Look at my Chemist response.
It legit has to be Chemist at this point.

I’ll respond once I get on a computer

[Qvapil]

Seth in our previous game where you were town you did not put so much effort in to make a post like that. I'm legit paranoid of you right now.

[Seththeking]

Seth in our previous game where you were town you did not put so much effort in to make a post like that. I'm legit paranoid of you right now.

I put in so much effort because unlike last VFM I don’t want to lose.
I truly believe this is SK Chemist play and I want the dead Town and alive Town to warship me after we lynch the SK.
Another reason I put so much in is because you guys don’t want to push Chemist like I’ve been telling you to do.
I also couldn’t get what I was going to say in.

I also just noticed If Vigilante didn’t shoot last night which they shouldn’t have because they didn’t call it out, we wouldn’t be at a MyLo situation RN.

[TheDebil]

Debil you were on the fence about chemist yesterday, and you thought me/goomba were likely SK candidates. Why do you think it could be chemist over me?

I'm kinda paranoid you're trying to use the fact that seth will always vote chemist.

good question. im not fully convinced you are town, but you are really towny and gamesolve alot, and compared to chemist/grumpy you are less likely to flip scum imo.
if you see my posts i have you as a townread and just mention that you could flip scum, because it seems like everyone just kinda locktowned you when that should not happen. same with the other message seth quoted, since he got so into his tunnleing it seemed like he forgot grumpy and you even existed

[Seththeking]

Before anyone replies next read my big post.

[Chemist1422]

Seth in our previous game where you were town you did not put so much effort in to make a post like that. I'm legit paranoid of you right now.

I put in so much effort because unlike last VFM I don’t want to lose.
I truly believe this is SK Chemist play and I want the dead Town and alive Town to warship me after we lynch the SK.
Another reason I put so much in is because you guys don’t want to push Chemist like I’ve been telling you to do.
I also couldn’t get what I was going to say in.

I also just noticed If Vigilante didn’t shoot last night which they shouldn’t have because they didn’t call it out, we wouldn’t be at a MyLo situation RN.

Can I take this as an admission of throwing

We’re also not in MyLo

[Seththeking]

Seth in our previous game where you were town you did not put so much effort in to make a post like that. I'm legit paranoid of you right now.

I put in so much effort because unlike last VFM I don’t want to lose.
I truly believe this is SK Chemist play and I want the dead Town and alive Town to warship me after we lynch the SK.
Another reason I put so much in is because you guys don’t want to push Chemist like I’ve been telling you to do.
I also couldn’t get what I was going to say in.

I also just noticed If Vigilante didn’t shoot last night which they shouldn’t have because they didn’t call it out, we wouldn’t be at a MyLo situation RN.

Can I take this as an admission of throwing

We’re also not in MyLo

Oh wait a sec.
5 - 1 = 4 - 1 = 3.

Ok then I’m so stupid. I apologize.

Well if it’s not Chemist it’s GG.
No matter what it’s Fine.
We lynch Chemist first because I haven’t trusted him all game and made a giant post about it.
Then if some how some way he’s Town we lynch GG for the win!

[Seththeking]

It should be very clear Me, Qva and Debil are Town at this point.
My suggestion is we lynch between Chemist (-) GrumpyGoomba always.
We will always win by this.

[Seththeking]

I want to lynch Chemist now though before he kills me tonight and try’s to manipulate one of you to vote each other giving him the win.