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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:18 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote: Spoiler:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again

I missed this post

Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was

See this

I answered it right here

Make sure you don't miss this post

I missed This .

The thing is It isnt What You First Said .
You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points "
The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth .
How ?
Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ?
Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "

If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .

This quote chain

Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.

The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.

So if he didn’t do that with an LHF player, why would he do it on an arguably stronger one?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:19 pm

Seththeking wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote: Spoiler:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again

I missed this post

Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was

See this

I answered it right here

Make sure you don't miss this post

I missed This .

The thing is It isnt What You First Said .
You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points "
The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth .
How ?
Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ?
Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "

If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .

This quote chain

Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.

The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.


IMO the only way Chemist is Mafia is if Ejji Flips Serial Killer.

Do I even need to explain what’s wrong with this
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:25 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ; Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ; Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ; Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ; Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


TBH I am thinking different than Flake here .

My Pool is
Either
1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick )
Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}

About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .

Hey Rick do you think your bussing read on Uzay could apply to tfios as well
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:29 pm

Vote Counts of the past two days (with alignments and timestamps)

Spoiler: EoD1 -3 (~23 Hrs)

Dash2 (2): Eragon1329, Zucker
GrumpyGoomba (1): ejjinami
Zucker (1): Crimson97
tifosforevah (1): Dash2
UzayAltay (1): cupcakeaj2
[NV: (9): Phone0lx, Rickdaily12, Chemist1422, tifosforevah, Qvapil, Flake, UzayAltay, {ProtoZigg/TheDebil}, GrumpyGoomba]

EoD1 -2 (~15 Hrs)

Dash2 (2): Eragon1329, Zucker
Zucker (2): Crimson97, {ProtoZigg/TheDebil}
cupcakeaj2 (2): Dash2, GrumpyGoomba
GrumpyGoomba (1): ejjinami
UzayAltay (1): cupcakeaj2
[NV: (7): Phone0lx, Rickdaily12, Chemist1422, tifosforevah, Qvapil, Flake, UzayAltay]

EoD1 -1 (~2 Hrs)

Crimson97 (4): Qvapil, Dash2, UzayAltay, Flake
cupcakeaj2 (3): GrumpyGoomba, ejjinami, {ProtoZigg/TheDebil}
{ProtoZigg/TheDebil} (1): Zucker
Dash2 (1): Eragon1329
Zucker (1): Crimson97,
UzayAltay (1): cupcakeaj2
[NV: (4): Phone0lx, Rickdaily12, Chemist1422, tifosforevah]

EoD1

Crimson97 (8): Qvapil, Dash2, UzayAltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, tifosforevah, Rickdaily12
cupcakeaj2 (3): GrumpyGoomba, ejjinami, {ProtoZigg/TheDebil}
Dash2 (1): Eragon1329
UzayAltay (1): cupcakeaj2
Chemist1422 (1): Crimson97
[NV (1): Phone0lx]


Spoiler: D2 (Pre-Cop reveal)

cupcakeaj2 (2): Dash2, GrumpyGoomba
GrumpyGoomba (1): Chemist1422
Chemist1422 (1): Zucker
ejjinami (1): Flake
[NV (7): UzayAltay, {ProtoZigg/TheDebil}, Qvapil, ejjinami, Rickdaily12, tifosforevah, cupcakeaj2]

D2 (Post-Cop reveal)

cupcakeaj2 (6): Dash2, GrumpyGoomba, Chemist1422, Flake, Rickdaily12, tifosforevah
Chemist1422 (1): Zucker
Flake (1): cupcakeaj2
[NV (4): UzayAltay, {ProtoZigg/TheDebil}, Qvapil, ejjinami]
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 pm

Biggest point of the VCA tells me that Goomba is either the biggest busser in the world, or probably not Mafia, as he was voting Cupcake every time, even before Dash cop claimed.

I would probably bet on Cupcake's wagon having a Mafia trying to deepwolf, though, because with that much notice, I can't see no one in the Mafia trying to vote to blend in, so if I kick out Goomba, I'm left looking at Tifos and Chemist.

Chemist1422 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ; Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ; Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ; Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ; Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


TBH I am thinking different than Flake here .

My Pool is
Either
1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick )
Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}

About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .

Hey Rick do you think your bussing read on Uzay could apply to tfios as well

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Yes, but I wish you didn't catch me basically saying I think you and Tifos are probably TvS for the last Mafia.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:34 pm

On the other hand, though, if tifos/Uzay/cupcake is the Mafia team, they are the laziest and least influencing Mafia that we've probably ever had on this site. And not that I can blame Uzay too much for that, since it looks like he tried everything he could to sway our opinions and run us around in circles as opposed to the other two, I just think Scum are probably better than that particular Mafia team based on the night kills so far.

It's pretty much the only reason why I can picture Chemist or his equal still being in the Mafia unless my bus theory on D2 of Mafia is wrong.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:39 pm

Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:42 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this

Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.

I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:45 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this

Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.

I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.

Dash was a claimed cop

Also for the record Uzay nightkilled the cop N1 in VFM43 (I think) so I’m not sure why you don’t believe he could do it
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:48 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this

Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.

I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.

Dash was a claimed cop

Also for the record Uzay nightkilled the cop N1 in VFM43 (I think) so I’m not sure why you don’t believe he could do it

I didn't know about the latter, and I still thought the other three in face of the former were good kills, but fair.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 3:09 pm

Spoiler:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?

Aggreeing with Flake here .
1 or none
But not aggreeing with clearing protoo and grumby
With saying " Only Ejji can be scum there "

This post immediately stands out, but if I try cutting into it then I'm just going to end up WIFOMing. I think it does at least prove Mafia having planned around the lynch a bit.

UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.

proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point

ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet

I can say town .
Because as I understand You are again anglereading .
When I am trusting my metaread on that .
And I know your angleread is NAI , but You are lucky it goes Same place .

defense of ejj
from Uzay I think this is more clearing than it is incriminating, though iirc he wasn't being as harshly SRed by Flake and others yet.

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TBH I am thinking different than Flake here .

My Pool is
Either
1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick )
Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}

About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .

This is very hard to sort out. He doesn't really explain why he splits the scenarios like this, so it's hard to say what he's trying to set up here.

I think he's responding to this post? From Flake. Still doesn't really make sense on reread though, because he doesn't respond to Flake on a point by point basis, and the language barrier here only makes it harder.

This post is even more arguing and intrigue about ejj

UzayAltay wrote:Seems unlikely.
They could be able to Do that
But What Will be their benefit ?
Only benefit is W!Flake now being able to TR Chem freely
But they could Do that at some other Ways
So it seems hard

(about Flake and Chemist being MvM during the slip exchange)

UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

(I don't think I ever saw Chemist respond to this post for the record)

Chemist did respond to this one though:

Chemist1422 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist is probably town for not crumbling there

i think he would have if he genuinely faked the slip

Or The scum
Which didnt kill Eragon
From your Logic .

But I Dont think Chem's slip was AI
I know , You was thinking "Chem wouldnt give that reactions as scum "

But , If he planned The slip , He can plan How can he defend after slip, too
So I Dont think Chem's posts at there are even AI
Chem can be everything with that slip IMO

This is probably the most logical post that has been made all day

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I feel like the more I try to understand this exchange as it went down, the more horribly confused I'm going to keep getting.

The more I reread Uzay's ISO the more frustrated I get for not really being here, because the exchanges between him and Flake were so obviously Town v Mafia that I'm stunned that no one but Flake (and the Vig) really caught onto this.

I have to walk out for a bit, but here's my current lynch priority barring the Vig and the like, and I'll expand more when I come back:

Goomba
Seth/Zucker
Qvapil
ejj
TheDebil
tfios
Chemist
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 3:10 pm

I'm too tired for this.

Instead of reading "Lynch priority", just call those my reads from Most Town -> most Scummy instead. <_<
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 4:54 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this


Cupcake isn’t new.
They’ve been around before you.
I remember them playing TG a Year Ago.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 4:55 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this

Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.

I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.


Could also be SK that killed Uzay.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 4:58 pm

Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this


Cupcake isn’t new.
They’ve been around before you.
I remember them playing TG a Year Ago.

This is their second game of FM but okay

I'm working on my readslist with explanations now
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 4:59 pm

Seththeking wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this

Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.

I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.


Could also be SK that killed Uzay.

On a phone so can't really stay but
Probably not

I can't see the Vig shooting Flake over Uzay if that was the conflict that got their attention.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 5:01 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Tfios is always low-impact

Cupcake is new

Uzay posted 143 times

So I’m not sure where you’re going with this


Cupcake isn’t new.
They’ve been around before you.
I remember them playing TG a Year Ago.

This is their second game of FM but okay

I'm working on my readslist with explanations now


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 5:01 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby 0verki11 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:12 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby 0verki11 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:19 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:24 pm

{Chemist}

Chemist - Shouldn't be too hard to understand why I have this read

{Qva, Seth, Debil}

Qva - I've liked their tone so far this game, feels solidly different to VFM48
Seth - The slot's relentless tunneling is in their town meta+think scum would be more cautious
Debil - Their giant readswall and full catchup felt highly town motivated and I doubt scum in this situation would find WIM for it

{Rick, Ejji}

Both null with ejji being above Rick probably, Rick feels like he's not really re-evalutating while pushing while ejji doesn't have anything I can point at and say "this is a town slot" unless I'm forgetting something like a dumb

{Goomba, tfios}

Goomba - Their AtE D1 was bad and they haven't been contributing much lately
Tfios - Their cupcake/Crimson post still pings weird and they aren't doing stuff
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:40 pm

You know what, screw it, my plan doesn’t work after all… and I might not have a lot of time later, so while I’m confident in being able not to get lynched today, I don’t know if I’ll be able to deal with a CC form a townie player if we end up in LyLo tomorrow.

I hardclaim vig.

I didn’t shoot N1 both because I remember dash asking not to and (mainly) because I didn’t have a lot of time and didn’t manage to sort my reads or even think of shooting before the day started. -_-
N2 I shot Uzay.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:43 pm

Swaggin

That takes you solidly out of the PoE
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby tfiosforevah » Mon May 20, 2019 6:44 pm

Still sticking to my vanilla hardclaim, even though I passed it off as a joke in the beginning it was actually true (somehow for like the 5th time in a row)

I do feel as if Seth is sticking to his town meta, so I’m not suspecting him at the moment

My main scum reads at this moment are chemist and Rick

On mobile so I can’t pull a quote wall but will explain myself with in a couple hours once I get my laptop back

/vote rick
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:47 pm

Qvapil wrote:Ejji I why don't you think goomba is the SK? I agree that they're probably not mafia due to their D1 vote but during D2 they were following the thread but not really saying anything. Like, they were there but kinda not there? I can't explain it very well, but I think it's something I'd do as SK. Goomba could you give us some quick reads? Not anything as deep as your D1 post, just some thoughts on who you think could be the last mafia or the SK.

Honestly, they were “there” but “not there” for the entirety of D1 as well, lol. I don’t know how they play normally, but I THINK it might be normal for them.
It’s not like they’re afraid to share their own opinion and they obviously weren’t afraid to interact and heavily criticize 2 “obv” townies (D1-dash, d3-seth), so I think they shouldn’t be SRd for their tone.
I mean, if they aren’t afraid to interact naturally, nothing should stop them from giving reads and SRing people as scum.

The reason I TR them is precisely because of their interactions with dash.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=99445&p=3173694#p3173694
This ^ is prob my whole read on them. It might look undependable, but I trust it a lot.

Qvapil wrote: Somewhere during D2 Flake was discussing the night kills and said he found it weird he were still alive, then you answered him that you thought Dash should have been a higher priority target compared to phone and eragon. Though I agree with you on that point, is it too deep in the realms of science fiction to assume that you were scum signalling to the other evil faction? To like, coordinate a Dash kill? Or am I too tired.

you’re too tired, lol.
Scum can’t signal to each other, because they don’t know each others’ identities
And they obviously wouldn’t want the other party to know.
Besides, if they wanted to signal D2, the best choice should have been to use Cupcake, since he was outed anyway. So no, they 100% didn’t coordinate and no, I didn’t coordinate with anyone either.

Qvapil wrote: One last thing, I don't think proto/debil is mafia. I pointed this post out yesterday:

Qvapil wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:/vote cupcake

I disagree


This vote was just after I voted crimson, and I was the first vote there. I think it's unlikely proto is cupcake's buddy here

The timing of the vote is weird for them to be buddies. Proto directly opposed a starting crimson wagon to vote cupcake, and he was townreading me before that point.

I THINK I agree here… the vote means nothing, but the timing and the strength of it was weird
Rn the ones with the most mafia equity are 1. Tfios and 2. ….probably rick :/
But I genuinely believe it should just be tfios

As for SK, actually, idfk…
Qvapil wrote:
Anyway I think chemist is definetely not SK, they could be maf if tfios is town but I haven't read them carefully yet.

Why is chem not SK?
Besides the thing about them not forgetting about Dash’s slip as scum, I think they have quite a bit of SK equity.
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