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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby TheWabbit » Thu May 16, 2019 8:49 am

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:The OP isn't in FM tags O.o

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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby TheWabbit » Thu May 16, 2019 8:51 am

Flake wrote:
EvilDeanius0 wrote:Also, when Debil died they flipped with full HP.

So there's no guarantee that Chemist was healed back to full after I healed them. They could have just been attacked twice, or lost health from actually visiting scum this time.

But if Chemist wasn't healed back to full and you're not lying

Either Chemist would flip with <8/8HP, which didn't happen, or he only previously lost 1HP, which is very unlikely because why would scum deal chemist only 1HP dmg

The logical assumption here is that Chemist was healed back to full through intervention other than your own assuming you are not lying

Unless I'm missing something

flips show what you would receive during pre-game
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby PokemonKidRyan » Thu May 16, 2019 8:52 am

I mean at least this game doesn't have ITAs.
If a blockbuster added those I think I'd just be paranoid.
I'm sure this game won't have that, it'd be a bit much..
Especially since we already have a lot of weirdness going on.
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby Flake » Thu May 16, 2019 9:03 am

ok so there's literally no way to know for sure if fml's flip was actually town or not

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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby Flake » Thu May 16, 2019 9:07 am

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:I think it's extremely likely that FML's flip was faked, because the last blockbuster seems like sth only a memer would do
it would never be accepted by the balance team

I would agree with this
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby OllyRenard » Thu May 16, 2019 9:09 am

I got attacked and healed

FML is Double. So I guess their flip fits with the lore

Royee is town along with Goomba
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby heytheregirl17 » Thu May 16, 2019 9:12 am

Flake wrote:ok so there's literally no way to know for sure if fml's flip was actually town or not

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well we can assume from the fact that he lolcatted for the entirety of d2

OllyRenard wrote:I got attacked and healed

FML is Double. So I guess their flip fits with the lore

Royee is town along with Goomba

Oh.
That actually makes a lot of sense
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby Royee » Thu May 16, 2019 9:12 am

OllyRenard wrote:I got attacked and healed

FML is Double. So I guess their flip fits with the lore

Royee is town along with Goomba

a double? its not possible.
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 9:16 am

A double might explain that.
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Thu May 16, 2019 9:16 am

OllyRenard wrote:FML is Double. So I guess their flip fits with the lore

How could they be a double if noone died whose role remotely fit?
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby heytheregirl17 » Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 am

Royee wrote:
OllyRenard wrote:I got attacked and healed

FML is Double. So I guess their flip fits with the lore

Royee is town along with Goomba

a double? its not possible.

No, not in the traditional sense
Double is a character from skullgirls who can shapeshift
which would definitely explain the flip
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 am

heytheregirl17 wrote:No, not in the traditional sense
Double is a character from skullgirls who can shapeshift
which would definitely explain the flip

nvm, I have played too much vanilla
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby OllyRenard » Thu May 16, 2019 9:18 am

I'm assuming FML was able to decide and I don't know why they went with Miu instead of whatever they claimed before but then again they didnt seem to care

I think that 3 damage on the flip shows Jala did actually hit them and they weren't immune to it

Pedit: what htg said. Their character is Double who is a shapeshifter
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 9:20 am

Also that medici blood skill makes me worried a lot. Now that we know it's existence, our TIs got a whole lot more unreliable incase one of the scum have the reverse of that ability.
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Thu May 16, 2019 9:21 am

@Hosts would such a role invalidate the role conversion taboo?
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby Flake » Thu May 16, 2019 9:21 am

OllyRenard wrote:I got attacked and healed

FML is Double. So I guess their flip fits with the lore

Royee is town along with Goomba

what

then why did no one die to double

even if he could be a double-esque role in that he can choose his alignment from living players without them dying, why would his role mechanics be as they are, because what town role has those mechanics

so he must just like change his flavour only? but why would that be a thing

why are both royee and goomba town
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Thu May 16, 2019 9:21 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Also that medici blood skill makes me worried a lot. Now that we know it's existence, our TIs got a whole lot more unreliable incase one of the scum have the reverse of that ability.

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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby Flake » Thu May 16, 2019 9:22 am

im so fucking confused lol
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby TheWabbit » Thu May 16, 2019 9:22 am

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:@Hosts would such a role invalidate the role conversion taboo?

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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby heytheregirl17 » Thu May 16, 2019 9:23 am

Flake wrote:im so fucking confused lol

Olly claims that FML was Double
Double can shapeshift
probably flipped differently than he would have
He can't be a vanilla double
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby Flake » Thu May 16, 2019 9:23 am

also that still doesn't explain why his win con would show that he wins with town and must kill mafia?
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Thu May 16, 2019 9:24 am

@Hosts According to the "No Role Conversion" rule, would a role that could voluntarily change their rolecard be allowed to exist?
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 9:24 am

What about a disguiseresque role? Because as it is definitely cannot agree with that ridiculous flip.

P edit :- Oh ofcourse the gf's passive is like that. I am dumb.
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Thu May 16, 2019 9:25 am

Wait
Maybe Double just changes what role they flip as
So we REALLY don't know what alignment FML is
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Re: SFM58 | SG2E:FM | Day 3 (School's Out)

Postby OllyRenard » Thu May 16, 2019 9:26 am

Flake wrote:im so fucking confused lol

His flavor was Double. A character aligned with skullgirls and can shapeshift. Which explains why mods helped them with Raise Dead and covered for them when Jala shot

My results point to Royee and Goomba being town not medici/skullgirl-aligned. Though I suppose in theory, they could be a gf-esque role but there's no point in considering that until late game or if other evidence comes up against them
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