Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Wins)

The threads where you play mafia will be posted here.

Moderators: Metrion, FM Game Moderators

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Google » Wed May 15, 2019 10:35 am

tbh this is why I picked vanilla
T̴̝̽ḧ̷̙͙ḛ̸͝ ̶̭̝͍͐̇̓U̸̗̩̽̕l̴̰̙̘͆͌t̶̠̏̎i̶̞̐m̷̹̭̖̌̊á̸͓t̶͈̞͔̐̉͘e̶͎͊ ̷̞̹̀̌͐C̵̼̑̔͝o̴͙̳̱͐̆̕p̴͕̌̒̇y̶͈͍̠̑̚c̶͇͍̝̔͛à̵̪̻͚̈́̚t̷̝͍̾
User avatar
Google
Vigilante
Vigilante
 
Posts: 630
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:44 pm
Location: Making Fun of Prosilver

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Jalandh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:35 am

Jalandh wrote:
ryanyb wrote:Ok, so consider the situation where he douses Juck.

How does the game change?


In his point of view?

Game goes to 1v1v1 where mafia still has a chance to win, town autoloses, and he has that 1/3 chance of winning.


Unless he was lying in the dead chat post game, he said you were his scumread

Dousing and iginiting you over juck means he was aiming for a 2v1 where you kill me and its left with Juck/Watt and himself
No matter what painful things happens,
Even when it looks like you'll lose...
When no one else in the world believes in you...
When you don't even believe in yourself...
I will believe in you!
User avatar
Jalandh
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:58 pm
Location: BABY SHARK DOO DOO DOO DOO

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:39 am

Jalandh wrote:
ryanyb wrote:Ok, so consider the situation where he douses Juck.

How does the game change?


In his point of view?

Game goes to 1v1v1 where mafia still has a chance to win, town autoloses, and he has that 1/3 chance of winning.


Not from his PoV
From the objective game pov.
You lose the 1v1v1 regardless, this was pretty established in thread.

If he doused juck nothing would've changed.

Also there was always that though in the back of his mind that he really wanted to burn me with me being mafia I can pretty much assure you that.
Idk I'm pretty sure he tossed a coin on who to douse.
User avatar
ryanyb
FM Game Moderator
FM Game Moderator
 
Posts: 423
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:22 pm
Location: Some school in Minnesota, probably.

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:39 am

*Correction:

Back in the mind where he knew I was town and was just wanting to live that fantasy of burning me while im mafia.
User avatar
ryanyb
FM Game Moderator
FM Game Moderator
 
Posts: 423
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:22 pm
Location: Some school in Minnesota, probably.

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B)

Postby Crimson97 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:40 am

Jalandh wrote:Crimson, wtf btw

What happened to sending watchme1 into watt? That's the entire reason we killed pkr

I said i was gonna sedn PKR into Watt. Re-read the message.
Image


Spoiler:
Image
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
Crimson97
Bodyguard
Bodyguard
 
Posts: 216
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:23 pm

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:40 am

At the end of the day he did win the game :v
User avatar
ryanyb
FM Game Moderator
FM Game Moderator
 
Posts: 423
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:22 pm
Location: Some school in Minnesota, probably.

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Jalandh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:41 am

ryanyb wrote:
Jalandh wrote:
ryanyb wrote:Ok, so consider the situation where he douses Juck.

How does the game change?


In his point of view?

Game goes to 1v1v1 where mafia still has a chance to win, town autoloses, and he has that 1/3 chance of winning.


Not from his PoV
From the objective game pov.
You lose the 1v1v1 regardless, this was pretty established in thread.

If he doused juck nothing would've changed.

Also there was always that though in the back of his mind that he really wanted to burn me with me being mafia I can pretty much assure you that.
Idk I'm pretty sure he tossed a coin on who to douse.


Ryan

Eragon said he thought you were the mafia when he doused you

That means instead of aiming for the 1v1v1

he was aiming for the 2v1

p-edit: Yeah i went back and reread it. I combined the two posts where you mentioned controlling the escort and sending someone into the vet, that is my bad
No matter what painful things happens,
Even when it looks like you'll lose...
When no one else in the world believes in you...
When you don't even believe in yourself...
I will believe in you!
User avatar
Jalandh
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:58 pm
Location: BABY SHARK DOO DOO DOO DOO

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Jalandh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:41 am

ryanyb wrote:At the end of the day he did win the game :v


Because both of his reads were wrong, not because of his actions
No matter what painful things happens,
Even when it looks like you'll lose...
When no one else in the world believes in you...
When you don't even believe in yourself...
I will believe in you!
User avatar
Jalandh
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:58 pm
Location: BABY SHARK DOO DOO DOO DOO

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Jalandh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:41 am

I just need to leave, sorry
No matter what painful things happens,
Even when it looks like you'll lose...
When no one else in the world believes in you...
When you don't even believe in yourself...
I will believe in you!
User avatar
Jalandh
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVI] Winner
 
Posts: 159
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:58 pm
Location: BABY SHARK DOO DOO DOO DOO

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:42 am

Jalandh wrote:
ryanyb wrote:
Jalandh wrote:
ryanyb wrote:Ok, so consider the situation where he douses Juck.

How does the game change?


In his point of view?

Game goes to 1v1v1 where mafia still has a chance to win, town autoloses, and he has that 1/3 chance of winning.


Not from his PoV
From the objective game pov.
You lose the 1v1v1 regardless, this was pretty established in thread.

If he doused juck nothing would've changed.

Also there was always that though in the back of his mind that he really wanted to burn me with me being mafia I can pretty much assure you that.
Idk I'm pretty sure he tossed a coin on who to douse.


Ryan

Eragon said he thought you were the mafia when he doused you

That means instead of aiming for the 1v1v1

he was aiming for the 2v1

p-edit: Yeah i went back and reread it. I combined the two posts where you mentioned controlling the escort and sending someone into the vet, that is my bad

Later on I’ll post our DMs so y’all can see where his head was at
Jalandh wrote:I just need to leave, sorry

Nah mate, stick around as long as ya want. There’s no rush.
Image


FM: 29-36
Last: 19C
Highest BtM placement: 2nd (twice)
User avatar
Chemist1422
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
 
Posts: 830
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:39 pm
Location: Fogbound Lake (UTC-7)

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby TheWabbit » Wed May 15, 2019 11:12 am

pog

kudos to eragon
Image

        




User avatar
TheWabbit
FM Awards: Mafia
FM Awards: Mafia
 
Posts: 1252
Joined: Mon May 09, 2016 10:37 pm
Location: GMT +8

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby tfiosforevah » Wed May 15, 2019 11:20 am

Eragon, you did well

Congrats and gg! :D
Just a college-aged girl who likes playing mafia :D

FM History: 8-7
Spoiler: FM6E- stalker- loss
TFM8- checker- loss
GFM- investigator- win
Episode XII- double citizen- win
SFM28- Jugin/Vet. Lancer (citizen)- loss
VFM42- citizen- loss
SFM53- despacito 2.5 (tracker)- win
VFM43- citizen- win
SFM55- vanilla townie (citizen)- win
FM17C- caporegime- loss
VFM44- citizen- loss
FM17D- pirate- win
VFM46- irn-bru (goon)- win
SFM56- goon- win
FM17E- citizen- loss
User avatar
tfiosforevah
[Forum Mafia XII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XII] Winner
 
Posts: 208
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:18 pm
Location: In existence

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby UzayAltay » Wed May 15, 2019 12:31 pm

Why town didnt lynch Arso at 4v3 ?

Congratulations to Eragon and Crimson.
Eragon , You stole A game town shouldn't allow.
Google , Please pay More attention to your role and other stuff .
Town not hanging either Non or Crimson for days is ????
Crimson was A bit unlucky , Unless he thought Non is Mafia when controlling .
25-30 Spoiler: Town Games(15-22)

NFM 50 , NFM 51 ,NFM52 , 14D , 14 E , NFM 54 ,14H ( AF ) ,14G , NFM 55 , NFM 56 , 15C , NFM 57,NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B , VFM36 , 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38 , NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39,EpisodeXVII , 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64,19C,VFM58

Scum Games (10-8)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53 , VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54,EpisodeXIX,SFM63

Ongoing :
UzayAltay
[Forum Mafia XV] Winner
[Forum Mafia XV] Winner
 
Posts: 558
Joined: Tue May 02, 2017 10:17 am

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Flake » Wed May 15, 2019 12:41 pm

Why does anyone ever pick standard over vanilla lol losers

Can the next ep just forcibly be vanilla pls
User avatar
Flake
Benefactor
Benefactor
 
Posts: 951
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
Location: England, UK

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Kmenx » Wed May 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Jalandh wrote:
ryanyb wrote:At the end of the day he did win the game :v


Because both of his reads were wrong, not because of his actions

But the problem was Eragon was kinda forced to douse ryan otherwise town would spite lynch him so his reads didn't matter when dousing
You can find me in discord at Disguiser#5127

Spoiler: My FM record:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing



Image
User avatar
Kmenx
Sheriff
Sheriff
 
Posts: 595
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:57 am
Location: In a country with declining dignity since 2002

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Rickdaily12 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Couple things I just wanted to hindsight:

1. In Episode 3, the last Arsonist win in an Episode, we did use the Draw resolution phase exactly like in ToS where Arsonist has 3 days and 3 nights to kill the Veteran and vice versa or neither win. It's probably more fair than saying "I'll wait 100 days and nights and rand a number between 1-100". If you're going to resolve it in the other way, then you should outwardly tell Veterans that you're just going to endgame them even though saving alerts for a standoff should be a play.

2. Eragon really should have been lynched the day he claimed. You never lynch "likely scum" over "total scum" when faced with the choice. Again, people really should care more about mislynching more. It leads to farces like this.

3. 14v4v2 where Arso can rand is a disgusting setup and needs to burn. Arso won because Town mishandled themselves pretty badly, but the setup is skewed so much in favor of the Town that the only real reason Town had for ignoring Eragon in the first place was because he was ridiculously weak to be considered a true threat. Maybe if you pressure the Town by giving them stronger roles and fewer people during Episodes, you'll remind them to kill conf scum more.
"Don't lie this is all so you could post Ace Attorney gifs and have it be relevant isn't it." ~Sarah Thorpe

Looking for guides? :D

Check out the LGBTAI+ Thread!

Image
User avatar
Rickdaily12
[Forum Mafia II] Winner
[Forum Mafia II] Winner
 
Posts: 2241
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:33 am
Location: Wright & Co Law Offices

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:02 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:Couple things I just wanted to hindsight:

1. In Episode 3, the last Arsonist win in an Episode, we did use the Draw resolution phase exactly like in ToS where Arsonist has 3 days and 3 nights to kill the Veteran and vice versa or neither win. It's probably more fair than saying "I'll wait 100 days and nights and rand a number between 1-100". If you're going to resolve it in the other way, then you should outwardly tell Veterans that you're just going to endgame them even though saving alerts for a standoff should be a play.

2. Eragon really should have been lynched the day he claimed. You never lynch "likely scum" over "total scum" when faced with the choice. Again, people really should care more about mislynching more. It leads to farces like this.

3. 14v4v2 where Arso can rand is a disgusting setup and needs to burn. Arso won because Town mishandled themselves pretty badly, but the setup is skewed so much in favor of the Town that the only real reason Town had for ignoring Eragon in the first place was because he was ridiculously weak to be considered a true threat. Maybe if you pressure the Town by giving them stronger roles and fewer people during Episodes, you'll remind them to kill conf scum more.

1. Hard agree
2. Also agree
3. Hey, it's actually 13v4v2. And stuff like this shows why it's not terrible for the neutrals.
Image


FM: 29-36
Last: 19C
Highest BtM placement: 2nd (twice)
User avatar
Chemist1422
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
 
Posts: 830
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:39 pm
Location: Fogbound Lake (UTC-7)

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Rickdaily12 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:09 pm

Oh, thought I saw 20 people in the role list. It still isn't any better.

It IS bad for Neutrals, though, because if the Town really took the time to consider the risks of letting Eragon live over time, the result would have been Eragon being lynched. It was a clear blunder that people need to stop doing. Just because they don't win with the Mafia, doesn't mean that letting them live is a good idea. For that to happen, the circumstances need to be extreme. A 13v4v2 doesn't qualify.

IMO the setup is missing two Neutrals and a couple more PRs toward the Town. Because, again- if Scum had more numbers, Eragon certainly would likely to have been lynched. It just goes to show that a greater than 67% Town majority doesn't seem to help them out in the end as much as encourages them to make even dumber choices about lynching.

Soon "we can mislynch a few times for info" becomes "holy shit we're losing LyLo by a lot". It's happening over and over.
"Don't lie this is all so you could post Ace Attorney gifs and have it be relevant isn't it." ~Sarah Thorpe

Looking for guides? :D

Check out the LGBTAI+ Thread!

Image
User avatar
Rickdaily12
[Forum Mafia II] Winner
[Forum Mafia II] Winner
 
Posts: 2241
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:33 am
Location: Wright & Co Law Offices

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:21 pm

I have no idea why they didn't lynch the person carrying KP in LyLo

That's like the first rule of not being terrible
Image


FM: 29-36
Last: 19C
Highest BtM placement: 2nd (twice)
User avatar
Chemist1422
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
[Forum Mafia XVII] Winner
 
Posts: 830
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:39 pm
Location: Fogbound Lake (UTC-7)

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 1:34 pm

ryanyb wrote:Also what I don’t think some spectators realize is that the arso had the game solved, their best shot at winning was 33% with the information provided. The fact jaland was mafia which was logically impossible meant that we were flipping a coin on town vs arso win.

Town was in a position where we couldn’t ml once and the arso ignite would resolve one town and one mafia 66% of the time and two town 33% of the time.

The arso was fine. This wasn’t a “how’d you let the arso win” because eragon is as surprised as we are. Eragon had no grand scheme, he didn’t lie and he didn’t go astray from the plan.

It’s that we had no way to know jaland was scum
When I tried to bring it up 1) watt wasn’t here who apparently also wanted jaland pushed so that’s unlucky ig and 2) it was impossible for jaland to be scum because of google’s claim.
User avatar
ryanyb
FM Game Moderator
FM Game Moderator
 
Posts: 423
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:22 pm
Location: Some school in Minnesota, probably.

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 1:34 pm

If you're one of the many people in this thread right now saying "you should have always lynched the arso" then you didn't read the game.
User avatar
ryanyb
FM Game Moderator
FM Game Moderator
 
Posts: 423
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:22 pm
Location: Some school in Minnesota, probably.

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Eragon1329 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:38 pm

If they lynched me

Town would have had to lynch in a 1 scum two town scenario


With a mislynch being a confirmed loss

So basically a 33% chance of winning


While my plan
Had a 66% chance of town winning

Not regarding the possibility of jalandh being mafia

Becuase of googles check
M
Spoiler:


TG/FM Records

28-30-6

User avatar
Eragon1329
FM Awards: Neutral
FM Awards: Neutral
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:17 pm
Location: In my own shadow

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Eragon1329 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:38 pm

I’m not saying I played amazing and that I should have won


but lynching me was not the correct town play there
Spoiler:


TG/FM Records

28-30-6

User avatar
Eragon1329
FM Awards: Neutral
FM Awards: Neutral
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:17 pm
Location: In my own shadow

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby HarperReed » Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:I have no idea why they didn't lynch the person carrying KP in LyLo

That's like the first rule of not being terrible

Ryan is technically correct, in every scenario where Google gave the correct result as everyone was right to assume the plan on motion all but guaranteed a town win unless it was Juck. Lynching the arson earlier was a waste of time with one player doused only.

However, what would have changed the game is watch not blocking Eragon from dousing non. It's very likely HiM would have been lynched instead and Jaland exposed
User avatar
HarperReed
Amnesiac
Amnesiac
 
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:11 pm

Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Eragon1329 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm

Indeed

The lynch on non sealed the town’s loss
Spoiler:


TG/FM Records

28-30-6

User avatar
Eragon1329
FM Awards: Neutral
FM Awards: Neutral
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:17 pm
Location: In my own shadow

PreviousNext

Return to Game Threads

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests