Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Wins)

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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B)

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:21 am

Jalandh wrote:Yeah I'm done with FM for a while. Made a long post about whether Episodes should award randing a specific alignment over good plays but I guess I can delete it.

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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Google » Wed May 15, 2019 9:24 am

Watt2015 wrote:Oh I lost my wim somewhere around D2. Being vastly ignored and improperly scumread did not help me.

I'm still salty that those half-baked scumreads based upon meta from 3-4 years ago, a lousy associative read, and me voting someone I felt could be scum (That was further backed by a TI claim), and then my counter-cases were ignored (again) except for a lousy "They aren't bad reads"

You call yourselves good at the game, but you played like shit.
By the time I confirmed myself, my wim was gone, and Town wanted to let the 3p make their decisions for them. Hell, even after I mentioned that he's apt to gain something from it you all ignored me.

Highly suggest some of you read this.

I was actually using some info I read there to help me here, like when I called Jal out for that vote swap last minute? Hey look, he's Scum. Hate to say it (but I actually don't) but I fuckin told you so. Anyways, after you all read that, click the link in my sig, because you probably fucking need it.

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is this just a tradition now or

Chemist1422 wrote:
Jalandh wrote:Yeah I'm done with FM for a while. Made a long post about whether Episodes should award randing a specific alignment over good plays but I guess I can delete it.

:c

second this
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also bye chemist
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:27 am

Google you’ve said you were leaving multiple times without doing it so I kinda doubt you
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Google » Wed May 15, 2019 9:29 am

Chemist1422 wrote:Google you’ve said you were leaving multiple times without doing it so I kinda doubt you

I left for a month in december/the one before decemember, coming back mid january
I've switched alts multiple times for a fresh start because otherwise I would not stay
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby jucktropy » Wed May 15, 2019 9:45 am

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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Flake » Wed May 15, 2019 9:51 am

not that i read this game but how did arso!eragon that was outed early on win the game
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby TheDebil » Wed May 15, 2019 9:59 am

lmao oof
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby jucktropy » Wed May 15, 2019 10:00 am

Flake wrote:not that i read this game but how did arso!eragon that was outed early on win the game


arso was town sided and wanted mafia do get die un the douses were town and we gave him win gg
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Watt2015 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:03 am

jucktropy wrote:
Flake wrote:not that i read this game but how did arso!eragon that was outed early on win the game


arso was town sided and wanted mafia do get die un the douses were town and we gave him win gg


Eh? That’s not at all why I allowed it. The decision was made back before Ryan was even doused. Supposing it was a 1v1v1, I end the Mafia, then hopefully play WIFOM and either cap the Arso and gain bragging rights, or the NK wins.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby TheDebil » Wed May 15, 2019 10:06 am

TheDebil wrote:lmao oof

a B is good though. well done flavor man
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Phone0Ix » Wed May 15, 2019 10:07 am

Doesnt Witch also win?
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Google » Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 am

Watt2015 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Flake wrote:not that i read this game but how did arso!eragon that was outed early on win the game


arso was town sided and wanted mafia do get die un the douses were town and we gave him win gg


Eh? That’s not at all why I allowed it. The decision was made back before Ryan was even doused. Supposing it was a 1v1v1, I end the Mafia, then hopefully play WIFOM and either cap the Arso and gain bragging rights, or the NK wins.

I logged on to a townsided outed arso with no one really caring and just trying to use it and was so fucking confused I went with it
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:09 am

Flake wrote:not that i read this game but how did arso!eragon that was outed early on win the game

Google misread his role pm and confirmed the last mafia as town
It was going to be a 66/33 flip town/arso win
Instead it went to 1v1v1
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Google » Wed May 15, 2019 10:11 am

ryanyb wrote:
Flake wrote:not that i read this game but how did arso!eragon that was outed early on win the game

Google misread his role pm and confirmed the last mafia as town
It was going to be a 66/33 flip town/arso win
Instead it went to 1v1v1

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I read the wrong one.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:17 am

Just to clarify so it doesn’t sound like I’m not pinning any blame on myself:
There was a lot of poor play from many different town myself included
There wasn’t a single moment that lost us the game it was an unfortunate combination of many bad plays.

Watt you’re going to get pushed when you’re town it happens and it’s how town find each other. But you can’t lock up and refuse to post anything except a defense when pressure gets put on you because it makes you look frozen.
I shouldn’t have pushed as hard as I did on tfios d1 I guess.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:21 am

Also what I don’t think some spectators realize is that the arso had the game solved, their best shot at winning was 33% with the information provided. The fact jaland was mafia which was logically impossible meant that we were flipping a coin on town vs arso win.

Town was in a position where we couldn’t ml once and the arso ignite would resolve one town and one mafia 66% of the time and two town 33% of the time.

The arso was fine. This wasn’t a “how’d you let the arso win” because eragon is as surprised as we are. Eragon had no grand scheme, he didn’t lie and he didn’t go astray from the plan.

It’s that we had no way to know jaland was scum
When I tried to bring it up 1) watt wasn’t here who apparently also wanted jaland pushed so that’s unlucky ig and 2) it was impossible for jaland to be scum because of google’s claim.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:22 am

Town didn’t lose to arso
Town lost to town
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:22 am

I was the only spectator but yeah Eragon was playing the odds given what he knew
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:25 am

Also let me be clear here: eragon wasn’t playing against his wincon I was watching that very closely
He was playing the odds, we all thought he had a 1/3 shot at the win and so did he
But turns out it was 100% which was known to no one but jaland
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:27 am

Jaland played well with what he had
He got unlucky
It happens.
Not every game comes down to wack odds like this one did.

For the people that don’t like coin toss resolutions like this, pick vanilla instead of standard next time.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Crimson97 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:31 am

Yay, congrats Eragon.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Jalandh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:32 am

ryanyb wrote:Also let me be clear here: eragon wasn’t playing against his wincon I was watching that very closely
He was playing the odds, we all thought he had a 1/3 shot at the win and so did he
But turns out it was 100% which was known to no one but jaland


I actually personally disagree with this, esspecally when you go to the dead chat and he admits he thought you were the scum.

only way he wins is if it was a 1v1v1

and his pov, that was you as the scum.

If he wasnt going against his wincon by purposefully dousing who he thought was the last mafia, he would have doused Juck, and ignited, bringing the game to the 1v1v1, again in his pov.

Instead he doused you to ensure that if his read on you was correct, mafia would lose leaving him in a 2v1 situation vs town
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Crimson97 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:32 am

I am sorry for N1 mafia. Jalandh's play was really good.
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby ryanyb » Wed May 15, 2019 10:33 am

Ok, so consider the situation where he douses Juck.

How does the game change?
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Re: Episode XVIII | Game Over (Final Grade: B - Arsonist Win

Postby Jalandh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:34 am

ryanyb wrote:Ok, so consider the situation where he douses Juck.

How does the game change?


In his point of view?

Game goes to 1v1v1 where mafia still has a chance to win, town autoloses, and he has that 1/3 chance of winning.
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