SFM 56 | Everything's Randomised | Mafia Win

[TheWabbit]

Are you actually trying to say not wanting to be lynched is scummy?
Wabbit you are not this bad.

you're equally bad as me
you can't throw that argument and expect me to have some sense

[TheWabbit]

fakeclaiming vig is a very terrible thing to do as selfpres
even more so in response to a claim you definitely know as false

[TheWabbit]

hey lets make this easy

i'm a 2-shot strongman

guess why the ninja died last night

funny, right

[FMLSheWas12]

hey lets make this easy

i'm a 2-shot strongman

guess why the ninja died last night

funny, right

wouldn't it be funny if wabbit, jezz, and eragon were a team rocket mafia

pretty sure it isn't the case but yea

[FMLSheWas12]

there's no chance he's a strongman with those pussy ass kills

[FMLSheWas12]

there's no chance he's a strongman with those pussy ass kills

There's a town equivalent to strongman, isn't there? Mafiascum wikia says so.
But anyways, I'm pretty sure their strongman claim was a joke.

it was since he's implying he's mafia but like there is no strongman in general

[tfiosforevah]

Well I figured Vigilante would be a large enough threat to the Mafia they'd want it immediately dead.
I mean TP would have been bigger, but I didn't want to actually CC the TP claim and risk getting a TP lynched.

here comes another "i want to die lol but not get lynched thats stupid"

It’s practically phones argument but worded a lot smarter

[FMLSheWas12]

Well I figured Vigilante would be a large enough threat to the Mafia they'd want it immediately dead.
I mean TP would have been bigger, but I didn't want to actually CC the TP claim and risk getting a TP lynched.

here comes another "i want to die lol but not get lynched thats stupid"

It’s practically phones argument but worded a lot smarter

okay so what's your point

[tfiosforevah]

Well I figured Vigilante would be a large enough threat to the Mafia they'd want it immediately dead.
I mean TP would have been bigger, but I didn't want to actually CC the TP claim and risk getting a TP lynched.

here comes another "i want to die lol but not get lynched thats stupid"

It’s practically phones argument but worded a lot smarter

okay so what's your point

Well, phone did turn out to be town. Maybe linear is actually town too.

[FMLSheWas12]

Well I figured Vigilante would be a large enough threat to the Mafia they'd want it immediately dead.
I mean TP would have been bigger, but I didn't want to actually CC the TP claim and risk getting a TP lynched.

here comes another "i want to die lol but not get lynched thats stupid"

It’s practically phones argument but worded a lot smarter

okay so what's your point

Well, phone did turn out to be town. Maybe linear is actually town too.

[FMLSheWas12]

Linear (2) Eragon, Wabbit
Whirl (1) FML
Wabbit (1) Linear

[FMLSheWas12]

So why whirl FML?

Spoiler:

Meh, I guess. I'll probably stop using this alt after it gets outed. On a game-related note, I don't think Wabbit and Jezz are a scumteam, as their interactions on pages 5 and 6 didn't seem like they were pre-planned. I don't like Royee's catchup, it feels like there's not really any thought put into it.

I don't mind the disassociation read but the take on Royee's catch-up is dry, debatable, and a bit of joining the bandwagon without a vote.

Witch, which of your reads are you more confident on and why?

I felt this question was in the position of "what can I ask here to be proactive and appear towny?" rather than genuine curiosity.

/vote Whirlwindwarrior

I’ve read up and I’m back for a bit. I don’t like Phone’s vote on Witch at all, the post had a lot of words without saying anything.

There were like three or four sentences in his post. Is that wordy?

Yes, the vote could have been explained with just the last sentence.

Alright so this isn't wrong but why does it warrant a mention? It's not like he's being overly verbose here; two extra sentences doesn't warrant this. It's not like he has a tendency to be wordy; Phone is very brief most of the time.

Okay I'll just push you while you're here.

I’ve read up and I’m back for a bit. I don’t like Phone’s vote on Witch at all, the post had a lot of words without saying anything.

Whirlwind
Ryan/Witch

Jezz
FML
Wabbit

Mouse
ED
Crimson
Yellow
Royee
Ultiix
Tfios

Phone
Hereisme

Sections are unordered and I haven’t done ISO dives yet.

The second tier reads are pretty uninspiring. The fourth tier scum reads, when I've seen explanations, are sparse; I'm surprised they're not null reads. The null reads would have to be "I've not read the slot" in comparison.

The solution is to either try to explain your reads better or completely revise.

I do plan on doing the second, but where does your opinion about my scumread on hereisme come from? I've been pushing them since D1.

The 'explanations' are sparse, not the consistency of your push. I found one explanation on hereisme at EOD. You thought their self-pres vote in essence was overly explained and an attempt to look townie. I find this adequate but by itself if I'm being very generous I'd amount it to a lean, or at least personally if this was my own read it would be a null-scum read. If we take account the bigger picture; I've felt all your reasoning on Phone was NAI or poorly thought out.

I’ve read up and I’m back for a bit. I don’t like Phone’s vote on Witch at all, the post had a lot of words without saying anything.

Whirlwind
Ryan/Witch

Jezz
FML
Wabbit

Mouse
ED
Crimson
Yellow
Royee
Ultiix
Tfios

Phone
Hereisme

Sections are unordered and I haven’t done ISO dives yet.

as far as i'm concerned fml's pushing whirl because of their lack of conviction in their scumreads

given whirl has voted hereisme EoD d1, there has been no progression with their thoughts on the slot
day moved on, shares 2 scumreads, and doesn't even dare to vote one of them

yes?

I don't mind that Whirl hasn't voted but otherwise yes.

+ the analysis of their hereisme case.

note some arguments aren't scum arguments but they're context for my overall read on the slot.

[FMLSheWas12]

the analysis is at the end of page 75.

[FMLSheWas12]

I have a mission for you people.

Ed, Jezz/Quantum, and Wabbit have one scum there. If I impose my own reads bias, we can further simplify this to one scum in Jezz/Quantum and Wabbit.

You should figure out which person is scum. Anyone can do this. An unlimited amount of people can do this. We just need to stop talking about the same shit.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly if Mafia had a Strongman and Ninja they are severely playing this game wrong with the night kill targets.
They wouldn't even need to fear there being a TP on the Mason claims night 1.

[LinearPoint]

I have a mission for you people.

Ed, Jezz/Quantum, and Wabbit have one scum there. If I impose my own reads bias, we can further simplify this to one scum in Jezz/Quantum and Wabbit.

You should figure out which person is scum. Anyone can do this. An unlimited amount of people can do this. We just need to stop talking about the same shit.

EvilD is basically confirmed town as far as I can tell.
1) Mafia was pushing me when I was claiming Vigilante to shoot EvilD. Hardly makes sense for Mafia to encourage a Vigilante to shoot one of their own members.
2) Honestly with the Ninja flip EvilD faking Tracker seems to come more from Town or at least the way he went about it. I'm pretty sure if he knew there was a Ninja and he was claiming Tracker he wouldn't have said I did the kill as there isn't a reason for Ninja to not be doing the kill unless there was both a Ninja and Strongman in the mafia which as FML said doesn't seem like there is a Strongman with the questionable kill targets.
3) I just kind of had a vibe that EvilD was more likely being a town trying to get me to claim Mafia than a Mafia trying to go for the suicide killing both of us. EvilD doesn't really strike me as the type of person to try and do that when he is Mafia from what I've seen in past scum games from him.

Wabbit meanwhile was getting town read by Yellow the whole game and Yellow never said why. That basically means one of two things. Either they are partners or Yellow was trying to pocket a Town!Wabbit. Yellow didn't seem to talk about or with Wabbit a whole lot aside from town reading him so I feel like that makes the partner option the more likely of the two. Wabbit also defended Yellow day 1 when Yellow was being accused of scumslipping. Also the surprisingly large amount of jokes he made about being a Mafia Goon basically tells me he is very probably Mafia.

I have to actually read more into Jezz, but gut based on the Yellow flip and Yellows reads as well as Quantum sounding pretty good so far is a town.

[MafiaMenace]

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[ryanyb]

Why is everyone so beautiful in LA
I feel so inferior

[ryanyb]

Also fuck who is quantum I used to know this.

discount truegent

Hey Leyva

[ryanyb]

Um
If I have time when I get back to a computer I’ll explain my wabbit read
But I’m like idk
Fairly certain they are town

[Eragon1329]

I totally didn't get re-addicted to BotW and have very little time

definitely not

why are you looking at me like that

._.

[FMLSheWas12]

Here's the premise:

TYG posted an early readslist which I quoted and you can find. He had plenty of scumreads but thus far they're all either flipped town or the neighbourhood claimants. He had a couple of townreads which are Ed, Jezz, and Wabbit. The remainder players are null. I highly doubt he put his entire scumteam as null.

I need at least one mafia in his town/scum reads.

[TheWabbit]

hey lets make this easy

i'm a 2-shot strongman

guess why the ninja died last night

funny, right

you wot mate

obviously kidding
I'd strongarm SPKs if it was legit

[TheWabbit]

sure, im down

wabbit, welcome to the thunderdome

thanks

where's the coffee

[TheWabbit]

Honestly if Mafia had a Strongman and Ninja they are severely playing this game wrong with the night kill targets.
They wouldn't even need to fear there being a TP on the Mason claims night 1.

implying you actually believed that LOL