VFM45: Purgatory II: Rickdemption (Town Wins!)

[Rickdaily12]

If Hyena is Mafia, though, Eragon, killing him today triggers Heaven Phase, which I kind of feel we don't really want here.

It would probably be better if we PoE-ed somewhere else for the time being.

[Eragon1329]

So hyena thinks that

-Tilted/Hyena are TvT

and then thinks you are town and doesnt push it

or thinks you are scum and doesnt push it?

[Tiltedcomedian]

I literally have like 10-15 minutes then I need to sleep for tomorrow

Ama while im here

What's the crawl speed of an unladen lizard

Who's Mafia if Multi or Phone are Town FYPOV?

Hi Eragon.

If one of them is Town then I'd flail halplessly

IF one of them are Town then I could be persuaded to take a gamble on Eragon, especially if we have room to correct for a mistake.

[Eragon1329]

If Hyena is Mafia, though, Eragon, killing him today triggers Heaven Phase, which I kind of feel we don't really want here.

It would probably be better if we PoE-ed somewhere else for the time being.

I mean

heaven phase is just another free Lynch

and going to heaven phase means we avoid judgment day

judgement day is like the big no-no that we want to avoid
because 1 mistake loses the game

[Eragon1329]

I'd rather go to heaven phase with a scumlynch than go to judgement day with a town flip

[Rickdaily12]

So hyena thinks that

-Tilted/Hyena are TvT

and then thinks you are town and doesnt push it

or thinks you are scum and doesnt push it?

He SR-ed me.

His trio was Tilted + Phone + fwog

and then admits it was primarily designed to provoke me after.

If Hyena is Mafia, though, Eragon, killing him today triggers Heaven Phase, which I kind of feel we don't really want here.

It would probably be better if we PoE-ed somewhere else for the time being.

I mean

heaven phase is just another free Lynch

and going to heaven phase means we avoid judgment day

judgement day is like the big no-no that we want to avoid
because 1 mistake loses the game

nuisances. =/

I'd rather go to heaven phase with a scumlynch than go to judgement day with a town flip

I'm worried about that only if you see a world where Town!Hyena.

And honestly, Eragon, I'm kind of pissed you haven't read the maybe 1 page of developments in the past 24 hours and I have to shorten an entire argument explaining literally all of these nuisances already, so it's not like I haven't already explored all of this.

[Eragon1329]

I literally have like 10-15 minutes then I need to sleep for tomorrow

Ama while im here

What's the crawl speed of an unladen lizard

Who's Mafia if Multi or Phone are Town FYPOV?

Hi Eragon.

If one of them is Town then I'd flail halplessly

IF one of them are Town then I could be persuaded to take a gamble on Eragon, especially if we have room to correct for a mistake.

depends on what type of lizard

If you want the tiny little things, that is not measurable because it is so fast

IF you want the crawl speed of a Eragon!lizard, that would in fact be 3.14159 mps

[Eragon1329]

having titled, ph0ne, and fwog in the same trio is sketch lmfao

especially from my PoV

I still think ph0ne/fwog are SvS

however, I do think Ph0ne/Hyena are TvS, so if hyena flips scum, I'd be willing to re-evaluate ph0ne

[Eragon1329]

Like

unless Hyena seriously did just hard-core defend ph0ne, knowing he was the only one, as his buddy, then they are TvS

and although I think Ph0ne/Fwog could be SvS
I acknowledge I might be wrong
so in the case of scum!hyena
ph0ne would be town
making Hyena/fwog/??? the scumteam

and in that ??? I'd likely slot multi just out of PoE

[Eragon1329]

So im kinda looking at either

Ph0ne/Fwog/Multi

or

Hyena/fwog/multi

although ph0ne isnt 100% confirmed with hyena scum, its very likely

[Eragon1329]

Rick what do you think about a 3-person team of me, you, and ph0ne?

[Eragon1329]

Rick what do you think about a 3-person team of me, you, and ph0ne?

BCS, im wrong on ph0neix and he is town, making this likely 3 town(because im quite confident in you being town rick)

WCS, im correct on ph0neix, and he is scum, making this 2 town and 1 scum, which still according to you is almost a guarantee

[Rickdaily12]

Rick what do you think about a 3-person team of me, you, and ph0ne?

If that is Mafia!Hyena over there, Phone and Fwog are locked TvS at the very worst.

Mafia!Hyena does not open wolf unless he wants a Heaven Phase, Eragon.

[Eragon1329]

I don't think Mafia!hyena openwolfs on purpose in any scenario

[Eragon1329]

whats "So good" for scum to to go to heaven that they would purposefully sacrifice one of their strongest members to hell?

getting one scum in heaven isn't a win condition

[Eragon1329]

If we go to a heaven phase after lynching scum here, we are at 4 v 2 lynching to heaven

if we Lynch town, that puts us at 3v2 which is basically the scenario right now except smaller

if we Lynch scum, that puts us at 4v1, where lynching scum to heaven is a loss, but we wouldn't even take the risk there, and just Lynch the towniest people there

[LOLingHyena]

Rick what do you think about a 3-person team of me, you, and ph0ne?

If that is Mafia!Hyena over there, Phone and Fwog are locked TvS at the very worst.

Mafia!Hyena does not open wolf unless he wants a Heaven Phase, Eragon.

I was hoping to lynch into Phone and Fwog today since I, too, believed at best they were TvS.

[Eragon1329]

I don't know how else to say it

judgement day is worst-case scenario

Judgement day means WE LOST

Judgement day means that we have a SECOND CHANCE

our hardrives failed and we rebooted

its not a good thing

its WCS

[Rickdaily12]

I don't think Mafia!hyena openwolfs on purpose in any scenario

Pulling me out of a Trio, not including himself in it, then pitching Tilted x fwog x Phone (he thinks Tilted is lock Town and that Phone/Multi has a Town member) for the purposes of provoking me screams of a kamikaze to me.

If Hyena did not do this on purpose, Eragon, then I'm far more likely to think that he's Town doing it than that he didn't realize that this is how I'd react to it. It is literally an Avalon/Resistance blunder (forced to hand out guns/shields to all Blues but leaving yourself out of the team = Red claim), so if this isn't open wolfing, this is him pulling the dumbest thing I've ever seen come from Town from a player I have tons of respect for. It's a pretty high bar.

But I almost believe more that this is either Mafia!Hyena open wolfing, or Town!Hyena being a major VI. I don't really buy an in-between. Mafia!Hyena did not do that by accident.

[Eragon1329]

rick, im going to be frank right here.

I'd RATHER Lynch one scum to heaven

than go to a single judgement day this game

[Eragon1329]

I don't think Mafia!hyena openwolfs on purpose in any scenario

Pulling me out of a Trio, not including himself in it, then pitching Tilted x fwog x Phone (he thinks Tilted is lock Town and that Phone/Multi has a Town member) for the purposes of provoking me screams of a kamikaze to me.

If Hyena did not do this on purpose, Eragon, then I'm far more likely to think that he's Town doing it than that he didn't realize that this is how I'd react to it. It is literally an Avalon/Resistance blunder (forced to hand out guns/shields to all Blues but leaving yourself out of the team = Red claim), so if this isn't open wolfing, this is him pulling the dumbest thing I've ever seen come from Town from a player I have tons of respect for. It's a pretty high bar.

But I almost believe more that this is either Mafia!Hyena open wolfing, or Town!Hyena being a major VI. I don't really buy an in-between. Mafia!Hyena did not do that by accident.

or he's scum that didn't think about what he posted and didn't realize you'd react that way...

[Eragon1329]

bleargh

what about me/hyena/rick in the pairing of 3

so I dont have to deal with the stupid AF scenario that Rick could be scum with Ph0ne

I doubt its a possiblity

but neither am I willing to full-on stake the game on it

[Rickdaily12]

I don't know how else to say it

judgement day is worst-case scenario

Judgement day means WE LOST

Judgement day means that we have a SECOND CHANCE

our hardrives failed and we rebooted

its not a good thing

its WCS

I don't think you ever truly understood the point of my plan in the first place, then. Which is why really you really should have been here more, Eragon.

My intention was to lock in three people who were Town and shoot everyone else dead. I wanted literally everyone else in Hell. This is only possible through the abuse that after Judgement Day, Hell Phase is restored. We cannot lynch in that group of four into Heaven when we think there's still Mafia in that group without ruining everything.

I don't mind if we lynch Mafia today, and then go to Heaven Phase, I don't. But the point of the plan was to put two Mafia into a group of four, don't shoot TvT once, then shoot out the remaining TvS. This isn't possible if we mislynch Mafia into Heaven Phase, which is why I don't think you realize now what you were agreeing to.

[Eragon1329]

I probably didn’t fully understand it

But it still works

we get a “core” of 3 people

And then we just spam lynch the other 4
Scum to hell town to heaven
If we put scum into heaven, then we just play it safe every heaven phase and lynch the most agreed town
But that would only happen once, maximum

[Eragon1329]

I don’t have a fucking choice whether I’m here or not m8

I’m doing the best I can with the limited time I’ve had this week