VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | Game Over (Doomed To Suffer)

[ejjinami]

Btw eragon, I think I saw you lurking a few times
Turn off your activity or come and post

[ejjinami]

Uh, visibility, not activity xd

Hush, no one saw that

[ejjinami]

Ugh. I rlly need to be more active in this. I'll do that later when I can amke longer posts.

Yes you do
And you're not gonna reach the post limit anyways, cuz there's only 1 day left till EoD, so worrying about making long posts is stupid, c'mon

[Chemist1422]

/vote tfios

reee

[ejjinami]

/vote tfios

reee

Why not phone anymore? What is your read on them now?
And what do you think about scorpio/wabbit/james?

[Chemist1422]

/vote tfios

reee

Why not phone anymore? What is your read on them now?
And what do you think about scorpio/wabbit/james?

Phone still scum but the wagon isn’t going anywhere
Scorpio null
James towny if his main is who I think it is
Wabbit town-ish for reasons that I can’t word correctly

[tfiosforevah]

@lilgangsta what do you think about wabbit?
And wanna vote tfio with me?

Your attempt to create a wagon with no proof makes me laugh. Been busy this weekend, reads coming later tonight

Besides if you’ve played with me before you would know this is how I normally play d1

[ejjinami]

/vote tfios

reee

Why not phone anymore? What is your read on them now?
And what do you think about scorpio/wabbit/james?

Phone still scum but the wagon isn’t going anywhere
Scorpio null
James towny if his main is who I think it is
Wabbit town-ish for reasons that I can’t word correctly

Is phone scum for the reasons you mentioned before, or do you have anything else in mind?
And why are you not trying to interact with him? The wagon is not going anywhere, but if you really think he's scum, you're being passive about it rn.
And do you have anyone else you want to push?

[ejjinami]

@lilgangsta what do you think about wabbit?
And wanna vote tfio with me?

Your attempt to create a wagon with no proof makes me laugh. Been busy this weekend, reads coming later tonight

Besides if you’ve played with me before you would know this is how I normally play d1

Haha do you think I care?
I'll tell you that I do not. if you're not progressing the game and if I think you're scummy, I will get rid of you regardless how shitty my arguments are
Besides, I do think that you're scummy and saying that "you're always like that" is not a convincing argument

And tbh I know I asked for it, but I don't really care for a readlist from you
try to interact with the other players and push them a bit, it's really not that hard

[MafiaMenace]

BIG posts take BIG time to read

[MafiaMenace]

Ugh. I rlly need to be more active in this. I'll do that later when I can amke longer posts.

shitty fake tone fam
you really are looking apathetic to this game

/vote scorpio

[ejjinami]

@lilgangsta what do you think about wabbit?
And wanna vote tfio with me?

Your attempt to create a wagon with no proof makes me laugh. Been busy this weekend, reads coming later tonight

Besides if you’ve played with me before you would know this is how I normally play d1

Btw, I think you asking for proof is a bit for funny. Provocative, but you prob didn't really think it through

Ugh. I rlly need to be more active in this. I'll do that later when I can amke longer posts.

shitty fake tone fam
you really are looking apathetic to this game

/vote scorpio

Agree with the apathy,
not my preferred vote rn, but tbh I don't really mind a wagon forming there

[UzayAltay]

Spoiler:

About Scorpio - I can see you points (bolded + underlined in the post below).
[spoiler]

I think Scorpio's post was townie. It looked like a reaction to chemist's 1st posts (the ones about hypo-claiming) and had to be based on these posts only because if I remember correctly, those were chem's only posts back then.

I don't really get what you mean by it being shade, I understood it as a spontaneous tonal TR because of the difference in the amount of reasoning in these posts and in chem's posts in general
(The first one was by far the most impressive post I remember ever coming from chemist as well tbh, even though I think it's NAI)

I think scorpio's TR is absolutely dumb and rushed, but it really doesn't feel scum-motivated to me.

First off, as I said before, I think it hints to them not being scummates because of how quick and strong the read was. I would be surprised if scorpio was the type to be able to just locktown one of his buddies based on their first post in the meme-phase
And the: "Either town or some next level powerwolfing" REALLY doesn't feel like SvS to me
Way too ballsy and way too stupid imo.

And then, would scum!scorpio be that enthusiastic to give a townie a locktown read so quickly?
From my experience, dumb, rushed actions tend to be one of the most AI/honest ones and this post really made me feel that he was completely ok with giving chem an early, confident TR, which should come from town more often than scum.

But the issue I have with the rushed part of it, it could come from scum with TMI.
I've never played with them yet, so I'm still unsure of their motive.
Also, I'm not entirely sure it should be looked at as a confident TR in the first place.
1. The shade I saw was the "next level powerwolfing" comment. So not exactly confident TR.

Well, tbh it could be TMI... It could be SvS as well, but I just don't feel that's the case. Spontaneously giving out strong TRs without any good reasons feels just like sth town would be more likely to do that scum.
/shrug

And I def don't see the "or next level powerwolfing" as shade. It felt like a compliment to me -_-
Like, "you're either town, or you're incredibly good". It makes no sense if read the other way, though I see where you're coming from.

2. They forgot who they had commented about.
When Chemist asked them why they didn't comment on Eragon as well,
I'm pretty sure Scorpio thought Chem meant "why didn't you mention me(Chem)?"
So they replied with this

Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

TBH I forgot about you. Sorry. But yeah. Same goes for you

I'm not exactly sure if it's AI really.
But I don't think the read was confident at all.
I think it was just intended to throw shade at an active player.
And if that's the case, it would be scummy IMO.
That's why it felt AI to me when I read it.

I'm p sure you're misreading it -_-
Sure, it's written in a weird and rather awkward way, but I don't think it's very likely to be scum motivated. Chem said that "they mentioned him, but not eragon" and scorpio replied to the post directly... Just how forgetful would he need to be to think that he didn't TR chem, when he had to read chem's post just a few seconds ago. lol

Hmm okay, I hadn't really viewed his early posts as SRs.
I just thought he wasn't a fan of RVS.
What didn't you like about his recent posts?
Something I didn't like was his OMGUS vote on you.
Because he didn't elaborate if he actually SR you or not.

Again, it's not like they gave me a decent read or anything, more like, the logic didn't entirely make sense to me and I wanted to pressure/interact with him a bit more
After reading the next posts, I don't think I got anything out of it this though, he seemed to respond to everything rather naturally and his tone is ok as well

As for now, I'd say he seems like the "skeptical" type of player. His reactions don't feel forced and he seems to be interested in a lot of things at the same time, so I'd say he's good for now

I Actually re-looked Scorp , and my theories Seriously had some problems , but Scorpio Also had some problems .
First thing is he Actually had 0 content Except 2 post , which We worked A ton of about it . And TBH they arent very townie , too .
One thing is , When Did he make This posts ? I hadnt checked , but If it is after people TR Chem , it is not good about him .
If it is early , it isnt very bad .I completely overlooked time factor when writing my ideas .

Second post , TBH hereisme's comments was make me thing Eragon could be actual target to The post , but I think I solved What Actually happens , now , Lets look at The "What and How Did This happened " part of The post .

What and How Did that happened :

Before starting , I may give my op. accidentally between , Sorry from here .

Okay ,First , now , Lets look at The posts on chronogical order , and try to understand What is The connection and Logic between The posts :

A)#3089207 : TBH I started to see where Ejji cames from when I saw This being First post , now Lets look at The post More closer :

" Okay well Chemist is being very productive This Game . Either town or some next level powerwolfing ."
Now Lets look at The highliters ,
/u= Extra
/s = Honesty
/b= contraduction ( opposites )
Green = + things
Red = - Things
Yellow = Null / Around Null things

Problems ( The thing which should be thinked on about that post ) :
Would your opinion changed If This wasnt The First post ?
Given that He Actually connected one Null ( Actially Maybe small town-creddy ) thing to one town and one scum "Idea " , but used an " extra " on Null and "extra effort " on scum for implying town is More likely , What was Scorpio aiming when doing that post ? ( from A v and w perspective )
If he is thinking there are other players who can Clarified on "productive " , Why he just Typed " Chem " ?
The most important question is , What he find very townie at Chem , but only Chem ? Reason ? He wrote Town or powerwolfing scum , and saying thing without any implication of scumread .
So , he is Actually saying town , or "towny scum " , which is "towny " or " towny " which is , I Dont know where it comes from , but Weird ?
Etc , Maybe More questions can added .

Now , Lets look at other post :

Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

TBH I forgot about you. Sorry. But yeah. Same goes for you

[/spoiler]

I colored Last part Green , with assuming his post in Vhem was A TR .
Now , possibilities :

Possi + V pow / W pow format

1) He Actually forget who he had TR ,misread Chem's post , and TR Chem too for ???? / for avoid pressure .
2) He thought Eragon made The post instead Chem , and misread Chem's post , and TR Chem for ????/For avoid pressure .
3) He hadnt mixed anything Actually , ???? / ????
4) ... I cant find any other possi atm , so suspicion is toward him , especially when I cant explain " You Also Get the Same read " part . What are The opinions on that ?

I Actually wanted to write More on that and others , but , I need to sleep .

[ZSSDistortion]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

ScorpioDiAngelo has also been retroactively prodded.

[Chemist1422]

how long until EoD?

[ZSSDistortion]

how long until EoD?

Just under 26 hours.

[hereisme]

Also forgot to post my quick reads bracket so here ya go:
Town lean {Chemist, Uzay}
Slighter lean {Eragon, Wabbit, lilgansta}
NULL - {Most people still}
Very slightly scum {Scorpio, ejjinami}

Funny enough, the same people I wrote as my scumbuddies are in the same bracket as me.

What makes ejjnami a scumlean? I think their planning (though proved to be unsuccessful) likely comes from Town.

Spoiler: Here's my reads explanation.
The read on you was intentional, yes.

Also forgot to post my quick reads bracket so here ya go:
Town lean {Chemist, Uzay}
Slighter lean {Eragon, Wabbit, lilgansta}
NULL - {Most people still}
Very slightly scum {Scorpio, ejjinami}

Wanna elaborate?

Sure! None of these reads are solid, just Day One quick shit.
A lot of my reads are likely to change.

Chemist - Their first few posts struck me as coming from town POV, but their last few were questionable.
Still slight town lean.
Uzay - They've only posted twice but their tone felt genuine, tried to determine odds for Doc plan.
Still slight town lean.
Eragon - Started with a meme, and got serious with proposing town plans when necessary, helped discussion.
Still slight town lean, but need to see more. Plus I'm not sure what their scum meta is.
Wabbit - I wanted to see their reaction to my TR on them, but they haven't been around today.
Moved to NULL until I can actually attempt to read them.
lilgansta - I liked how they engaged a lot of players in their wall, tone felt townie thought I've never played w/them.
Still slight town lean.

The NULL ones might have changed so I'll check.. some yes.
MM - Still can't get read off their 3 posts.
James - I'm not really sure yet, but if I had to pick one or the other, I'd say maybe townish.
Phone - The motive behind their content is kind of questionable so far, leaning scummy, but he's often mislynch.
tfios - One post so no way to tell.
NotEx - Doesn't have many posts, claimed Cop, but I would still say scum for them at this point.

Scorpio - Still just 2 posts, but I didn't like the posts. I need to see more from them.
Still feel like leaning scum for this. Gotta see their explanations about the posts.
ejjinami(you) - So I actually really liked your recent posts. But most of your early ones felt off to me.
They felt like they could be coming from scum trying to pose townie, plus you seemed to propose that a Doc out.
Which would be a VERY bad idea. But I'm not sure if that's what you were saying.
Basically, your early post felt tonally off and a few also felt very forced.
I'll quote the few posts of yours I didn't like -

Ok, sorry, I'm going home from a short vacation today and I'm not really in the mood for jokes
Tbh I just feel like yelling at everyone around me, so I'll try to just write what I want to write and then disappear until it stops
Sorry for that

Claiming goon. My buddies are lilgangsta and Eragon1329

Why didn't you mention me?
makes me sad

Hey gamers I’m at a school dance

xd
Ok, i want to joke after all
I'm really tempted to throw one here, even though I know I shouldn't
Stupid game rules...

I hardclaim sheriff.

We don’t even need to hypo, whichever doc has me in their pool heals me.

Oh god

If exa claimed as a "joke", I'm prob gonna heavily consider lynching him
If not, one of the doctors should claim
The cop has to be healed once and I'm not really tempted to count on WIFOM
And a doc dying is better than the cop

We can start from here

Claiming was a terrible idea btw

Any doc plans without a revealed doc will only make cross-healing more likely to happen

What if the 2 docs are in the same group? How do you know if they aren't?
No one knows, so just stop it

And the cop is revealed rn, so I really suggest not taking the risk

If a Doctor dies, the Sheriff will gain a Macho modifier.

fuck
Nvm then, thx for saying that xd
It really doesn't make sense in that case

I don't care about setup spec besides that, I'll just comply.
Dividing players into into 2 groups does have some merits and demerits, but tbh now that I know there isn't an easy way to win this, I kinda lost the motivation to think about it
Uh
Well, w/e, just pretend I didn't say anything since the beginning

[hereisme]

Debating on making a catch up post or not...
I'm still reading some of the longer posts from earlier today so maybe.
But so far, I'm like some things I've seen, not much pinged me as scummy.
Maybe I'll just do a new reads list later since players have more content.
Either way, I'll be around reading and posting some thoughts soon.
AMA also

[MafiaMenace]

Ugh. Okay. I'm off work and caught up. While I appreciate the extremely detailed analysis of my one contentful post, I think you're making a whole lot of something out of nothing. I have, admittedly been pretty absent; but I plan on changing that. So, hit me. What's y'all's theories on the possibility of a powerwolf? Also does mafia have a daychat?

town slip not accepted my friend

[hereisme]

town slip not accepted my friend

I'm asking because it's not in the OP. It usually is.

Why is this the topic that you feel is worthy of commenting about though?
There's been plenty of shit going on.
Who is your biggest SR right now?
I know it's early, but has anything pinged you?

[TheWabbit]

Funny enough, the same people I wrote as my scumbuddies are in the same bracket as me.

What makes ejjnami a scumlean? I think their planning (though proved to be unsuccessful) likely comes from Town.

It seems you're doing well.

And elaborate please

I don't think you're scum for the way you planned things out. The faux pas would make your situation awkward.

[TheWabbit]

Ugh. I rlly need to be more active in this. I'll do that later when I can amke longer posts.

You don't need to wait for a time for you to make walls. That's stupid.

Just multipost, it's not like you can reach 50 posts.

[TheWabbit]

@lilgangsta what do you think about wabbit?
And wanna vote tfio with me?

Your attempt to create a wagon with no proof makes me laugh. Been busy this weekend, reads coming later tonight

Besides if you’ve played with me before you would know this is how I normally play d1

if that were a reaction test you've failed it miserably

[TheWabbit]

Ugh. Okay. I'm off work and caught up. While I appreciate the extremely detailed analysis of my one contentful post, I think you're making a whole lot of something out of nothing. I have, admittedly been pretty absent; but I plan on changing that. So, hit me. What's y'all's theories on the possibility of a powerwolf? Also does mafia have a daychat?

wordy, reminds me of my strategy back then

/vote ScorpioDiAngelo

[TheWabbit]

Ugh. Okay. I'm off work and caught up. While I appreciate the extremely detailed analysis of my one contentful post, I think you're making a whole lot of something out of nothing. I have, admittedly been pretty absent; but I plan on changing that. So, hit me. What's y'all's theories on the possibility of a powerwolf? Also does mafia have a daychat?

town slip not accepted my friend

I'm asking because it's not in the OP. It usually is.

What will you do with that information then?