VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | Game Over (Doomed To Suffer)

[hereisme]

Well, I don't think we lynch either PR claim obviously.
I'm gonna re-read everything and see if I find anything useful.
Gut reads before ISO dive -
Leave claims {NotEx/Scorpio} alone for WIFOM.
Townish tones - Uzay, lilgangsta, Wabbit
Bit of both - Chemist, Eragon, ejjinami, James, MM
Scummy vibes - Phone, tfios,

[UzayAltay]

Because spice. Am I lying? Am I telling the truth? Will scum kill me tonight? Will they try and discover that I've been healed? Will Sherrif check me? Who knows? Definitely not the mafia.

I know normally We shouldn't risk lynching A PR .
But This is very obvious not Doctor slip .( Doctors are Macho )
My gut is saying that scum wont slip This easily , but I lived from First hard that scum can really slip very easily at SFM 53.
Unless he somehow explained that , my vote is parked .
/vote Scorpio

[UzayAltay]

#3089764 : Hereisme , You Said You TR Wabbit for see their reaction .
Wabbit Gave that reaction , but You just explained your read again , instead saying What You see in their reaction .
Question is , obvious . What You are Seeing in there ?

[UzayAltay]

I have posted 0 content.
But I have not been prodded.


This is nice.

Now Lets play Another Game : Try to be prodded when Actually try to solve The Game

[UzayAltay]

An important question come my mind when thinking ( which should be answered ) :

Who could be scum If
A) Scorp flip scum ?
B) Scorp flip town ?

My opinions : If Scorp flip scum , First thing to realize is not Everyone commented on Scorp , so scum may stay away from Discussion , or very little involved .
I believe either 1 or 2 scum exactly fits The definition . If 1 , other scum interacted it with , ????? , would probably need look motivations between that for saying that .

Scorp flip town ? Not believing after slip , but If it happens somehow , I think 1 ( not thinking All scum powerwolfed ) -3 scum avoid there , Maybe Except small ones ( look at The definition Above ) . Best guess would be 2 , but both ways seems possible .

[hereisme]

@Uzay Spoiler:

Because spice. Am I lying? Am I telling the truth? Will scum kill me tonight? Will they try and discover that I've been healed? Will Sherrif check me? Who knows? Definitely not the mafia.

I know normally We shouldn't risk lynching A PR .
But This is very obvious not Doctor slip .( Doctors are Macho )
My gut is saying that scum wont slip This easily , but I lived from First hard that scum can really slip very easily at SFM 53.
Unless he somehow explained that , my vote is parked .
/vote Scorpio

I thought Scorpio was saying that Mafia won't know whether he's Doc or not.
I'm not saying I don't find Scorpio scummy, but I don't think lynch risk is worth it.
If Scorpio is Doc, either he dies or is kept alive by Maf for mislynch.
If they're town fake claiming then the same thing could happen.
If they're scum fake claiming they'll obviously be alive later.
So I'm not really seeing the reason to lynch them today.

#3089764 : Hereisme , You Said You TR Wabbit for see their reaction .
Wabbit Gave that reaction , but You just explained your read again , instead saying What You see in their reaction .
Question is , obvious . What You are Seeing in there ?

It's wasn't the reaction itself, more his overall tone so far.
I'm aware that isn't necessarily AI yet, but it's a gut read.
I've gotta read all the ISOs before EoD to reassess reads.
Because right now, I'm caught up reading thread, but haven't looked into ISOS.
Feels like everyone posted enough to get some kind of read lean though.
Other than Scorpio do you have any SRs?

[ZSSDistortion]

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3 hours remain in the day.
NotExacerbated has also been prodded for not posting content within 24 hours of their last post with content.

[NotExacerbated]

oi I totally forgot to come catch up in this game

[NotExacerbated]

MM can live.

[ejjinami]

I never mentioned your posts so you must’ve misunderstood. And I never said it was scummy to not have a strong reason to push/lynch someone either. All I’m saying is that I don’t see a strong case of why you’re town, but I don’t have a strong scum read on you either. You’re a very null read in my point of view because I honestly can’t read you at the moment

That means you've read the whole thread, right? Do you have any posts you like/don't like or anything want to ask about? You seemed to be interested in the push on phone before, so do you wanna elaborate on that?
And what do you think about lynching among chem/you?

/vote tfios

reee

Why not phone anymore? What is your read on them now?
And what do you think about scorpio/wabbit/james?

Phone still scum but the wagon isn’t going anywhere
Scorpio null
James towny if his main is who I think it is
Wabbit town-ish for reasons that I can’t word correctly

Stop it chemist
Also did you meant that wabbit actually calls people out for their shit?

Stop what? And does that mean you have a SR on wabbit?

God, everyone is so bland nowadays.
I think phone should be our d2 wagon

Why? And if you SR them, why D2, not D1?

Eragon is just saying random shite, I don't think he's even playing
and hereisme is too paranoid

agree with eragon
And hereisme's paranoia is townie imo

[ejjinami]

Eragon you are town because you usually do a thing like this when you are town. For Chemist on the other side it's NAI and he's playing different from Linear's game where he was town

Why do you think eragon is townie?
And elaborate on chemist

Do you always use meta that much? :/

A lot of stuff has happened and there's a lot of more interesting posts to comment on, yet you chose to throw shade on a really weak one without showing interest in anything else.

/vote tfio

let me tell you a theory :)
You're scum and you're just pretending to contribute, while trying to not do anything which would cause you to get noticed by the other players.

Do you have any reads? And vote if you care

i also find this strange, but i don't think it really pings me. It's a prodge after all. I do think this tells us that Phoenix is less likely to be in a team with tfio, if he does flip scum.

Ngl, I love that thought process
I didn't think of it as of a prodge btw

detailed analysis on scorpio's two posts

Very good, towny post. I like it.
The way you put this though, i can see chemist being a potential scum buddy for Scorpio. He's taking an early stance that chemist is town, but shading a bit at the same time so it doesn't come off as pockety. I don't think it's very likely, but i don't think it's an impossible combo.

Disagree, I don't think it was that townie. I appreciate the effort, but most of the post was just meaningless speculation
Sure, they can list as many possible options as they want to and sure they can analyze it's every aspect, but besides it being a lot of work, I don't think it would be that hard for scum to write.
As I said before, I appreciate the effort and I guess being "motivated" is generally a town sign, but it's not anything I'd personally want to rely on.

Sorry ejji I lied, i do have a slight SR on Scorpio.
The thing that really pings me is the fact that the first thing he looks for is powerwolves. This would imply that either phone or tfios is his teammate, alongside someone else, possibly in the null-areas.
His reactions to votes on him also seem pretty suspicious to me.
If Scorpio is a scum-flip, i think it's worthwhile to look into the people that were deemed suspicious D1.

/vote scorpio

I'm also not really fond of tfios, NotEx, Menace and Eragon.
tfios for the strange reactions, this is a wagon i would jump on to as well.
NotEx is my highest TR, but he pisses me off for not doing anything at all.
Menace started off really weird. His supposed "duel" with James pings me badly. His other posts are somewhat decent, nothing really towny though.
Eragon also has a lack of content, seems like he's trying to stay away from any attention.

It's cool, noticed that in the previous post

Tbh the fact that he's been under scrutiny the whole day and no one except me is trying to defend him kinda hints to him being town as well
I mean, most of today's reads on scorpio were based on overanalyzing and misinterpreting his posts, which should be REALLY easy for scum to disagree with and like, change the focus to anyone else
And most of the players seem either ok or passive about it
I really doubt scum would be likely to bus him in this gamestate btw. Not with this activity and not when the reasons for lynching him are like, this crappy


Tfios is obviously an easy ML. Doesn't make them town, but it feels like they just honestly don't know how to hunt for scum, so I wouldn't read into their defensive reactions too much.
I'd like them to post a bit more, but tbh I wouldn't really mind having them lynched.

Irdk about MM.

And tbh I don't think Eragon's inactivity is AI. He can play well as scum and if lurking was his scum strategy, I think he'd be likely to stop (or at least pretend that he's trying to change it) after I called him out for it.
I'm not a fan of his other posts though :/ I don't think he's my lynch choice today, but I wouldn't mind a bit more activity form him

[ejjinami]

MM can live.

W h Y ?

[MafiaMenace]

"hey guys i promise to be more active day 2 so dont lynch me"

[MafiaMenace]

"hey guys i promise to be more active day 2 so dont lynch me"

o shit he also claimed doc too

[ejjinami]

Ugh. Okay. I'm off work and caught up. While I appreciate the extremely detailed analysis of my one contentful post, I think you're making a whole lot of something out of nothing. I have, admittedly been pretty absent; but I plan on changing that. So, hit me. What's y'all's theories on the possibility of a powerwolf? Also does mafia have a daychat?

wordy, reminds me of my strategy back then

/vote ScorpioDiAngelo

Elaborate
And what do you think of scorpio's early posts?

It's verbose. Excessively wordy. This could be a strategy to make you look like you're doing your best to contribute when you're not even giving half a penny. Makes things prone to misunderstandings, giving you more breathing air as long as you can confuse others by forcing them to use a search engine or a dictionary.

When you talk like that, it makes your sentences more and more difficult to follow, given that you are placing too many thoughts on a single sentence—a prime example would be this response itself—making your intended meaning difficult to comprehend. It can help in deflecting attention off yourself, as nobody would be bothered to explore such labyrinth of words—one too many.

Heh, then you just described Uzay's last post
Can you comment on that?

Is a simple cop claim enough for you to townread someone? Cool. I'm a Vigilante. Send a townread ASAP.

That feels forced
If you think exa is scum and the cop claim doesn't make him townie, why aren't you voting him? That post is just shade

In moonbird's VFM, Eragon made a good plan. Era was town.

In Linear's standard, Chemist wasn't reachy. Now he is the max of it.

Is your read on eragon based only on his doc plan?

And quote the posts you're SRing chemist for

In moonbird's VFM, Eragon made a good plan. Era was town.

In Linear's standard, Chemist wasn't reachy. Now he is the max of it.

what

You think you aren't playing different?

no, I don't understand why you think I play the exact same every game

I know you change a bit every time but normally you aren't reaching but now you are

reeEE

will answer later

WhY nOt NoW?
It's not like it would have taken a lot of time, so why are you putting it off???

And Yes , my problem on him was Actually I cant see second post from A townie perspective

Sigh, I think you're just overthinking it. If you've ever played with scorpio, you should know that he's not the "thinker" type (no offense)
So most of the scenarios and "scum strategies" you had in mind are most probably incorrect, because he just doesn't seem to be the type to think of a plan before posting
And not in his first posts, lol
He didn't have much time to answer there, so like, I really doubt it's that complicated

How about he just "quoted Chemist's post, but started talking to Eragon"???
Again, I really doubt there's any deeper meaning to it

And thx for checking, I'll prob correct it later

[ejjinami]

Because spice. Am I lying? Am I telling the truth? Will scum kill me tonight? Will they try and discover that I've been healed? Will Sherrif check me? Who knows? Definitely not the mafia.

I know normally We shouldn't risk lynching A PR .
But This is very obvious not Doctor slip .( Doctors are Macho )
My gut is saying that scum wont slip This easily , but I lived from First hard that scum can really slip very easily at SFM 53.
Unless he somehow explained that , my vote is parked .
/vote Scorpio

Tbh you noticing that and immediately voting is townie

But I'm really confident that scorpio is town now, regardless if the claim is true or false.
The claim doesn't feel like it's motivated by stress, so it makes so much more sense if it was coming from a town pov

"hey guys i promise to be more active day 2 so dont lynch me"

o shit he also claimed doc too

That's just shade

[MafiaMenace]

no i didnt notice
thats me being "wOwsers" because i stopped reading after he said "day 2"

[ejjinami]

town: [hereisme, scorpio, notExa]
Prob town: [lilgangsta, UzayAltay]

Nullish? : [james]
[Eragon, wabbit, MM]
[chem, phone, tfio]
[...]

Tbh I don't care about most of the players below the town brackets, so I don't mind sheeping if anyone has a good case on any of them.

And I don't like the conversation between chemist and phone. Phone's arguments are just simply crap and it doesn't seem like they're actually trying to do anything, while chemist's response just sucks. Prob for the same reasons.
He's either lazy or avoidant and tbh rn I don't really mind lynching for either reason

I'm ok with lynching among chem/phone/tfio today.

[ejjinami]

no i didnt notice
thats me being "wOwsers" because i stopped reading after he said "day 2"

Who do you want to lynch

[hereisme]

I'm starting to like the feel of ejjinami!town more now, but still unsure.
Still feel like NotEx could be scummy, but the claim makes me not want to lynch today.
Phone seems tonally off, but is easily mislynched so I'm scared of that too.
Eragon hasn't done anything since the start of game but I'm willing to wait for him.
Chemist doesn't seem as townie as I first thought, but I'd need to look into their interactions more.

Right now, since there isn't much time left, I'm gonna vote.
They haven't been active at all, and when they were didn't add much to conversation.
also because it's the highest counter-wagon RN but I'm down to CFD if there's enough people active.

/vote tfiosforevah

[MafiaMenace]

no i didnt notice
thats me being "wOwsers" because i stopped reading after he said "day 2"

Who do you want to lynch

him

[ejjinami]

no i didnt notice
thats me being "wOwsers" because i stopped reading after he said "day 2"

Who do you want to lynch

him

Why?
And comment on my read on him

[hereisme]

no i didnt notice
thats me being "wOwsers" because i stopped reading after he said "day 2"

Who do you want to lynch

him

Even with the Doc claim?
If they are actually Doc - they either die tonight or get kept alive for mislynch.
If they are fake claiming town - same as the above scenario.
If they are fake claiming scum - they would be alive still in a few days (making them obvi scum).

[ejjinami]

Tbh if you think the doc claim is bad, you suck at tone-reading

[MafiaMenace]

Tbh if you think the doc claim is bad, you suck at tone-reading

him promising more content day 2 is shitty
the tone on the claim is shitty, if mafia can preserve themselves for literally a day, it wastes the towns limited time