VFM42 | GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 4

[MoustachioMario]

Let's make the most of the time we have left and bring home a town win. Brackets:

{Soul}
{Era, Jezz, Uzay}
{Nopi, Debil, Mario}
{Tfios}

Just to elaborate, for Nopi I didn't like some of her reactions on D2, Phone/Debil I'm unsure of due to general inactivity, Uzay is kinda a PL imo because he's harder for me to read, Mario I don't like how he flip flops on things and doesn't explain his reads, and me gut says nope to him. Tfios I don't even have as a strong scumread, I'm gonna be honest. The lack of interaction between them and Chem along with their use of this is my first VFM doesn't sit right with me, but I do like some of their more recent posts, as they do carry a logic I can follow and they look to be of a better quality.

I think I'm gonna put the game on pause for a bit until we have this situation solved.

Nvm then ig

I have a logic you can follow?

lol

I can't even follow my own logic sometimes :P

lol that wasn't even about me :D
My logic doesn't make sense after a day or two :D

[TakumiHijirihara]

Let's make the most of the time we have left and bring home a town win. Brackets:

{Soul}
{Era, Jezz, Uzay}
{Nopi, Debil, Mario}
{Tfios}

Just to elaborate, for Nopi I didn't like some of her reactions on D2, Phone/Debil I'm unsure of due to general inactivity, Uzay is kinda a PL imo because he's harder for me to read, Mario I don't like how he flip flops on things and doesn't explain his reads, and me gut says nope to him. Tfios I don't even have as a strong scumread, I'm gonna be honest. The lack of interaction between them and Chem along with their use of this is my first VFM doesn't sit right with me, but I do like some of their more recent posts, as they do carry a logic I can follow and they look to be of a better quality.

I think I'm gonna put the game on pause for a bit until we have this situation solved.

Nvm then ig

I have a logic you can follow?

lol

I can't even follow my own logic sometimes

Not you. I have no idea what you're doing. Tfios. I can kinda understand the logic in their posts

[MoustachioMario]

Also,

/vote thedebil

They did something I did not like and now I am going to find it

[TakumiHijirihara]

Also,

/vote thedebil

They did something I did not like and now I am going to find it

[MoustachioMario]

Also,

/vote thedebil

They did something I did not like and now I am going to find it

:BlobGlare:

never mind it was someone else :P

/vote unvote
/unvote

[MoustachioMario]

*Facepalm*

It's a different game thats why :P

[MoustachioMario]

I'm still going to find something I don't like and post it

[MoustachioMario]

Welp.

I can't get any scumreads lol

Uzay has town read though

Everyone else goes back to null

[Soulshade55r]

Welp.

I can't get any scumreads lol

Uzay has town read though

Everyone else goes back to null

Why am I a null read.

Why is Uzay a town read.

[UzayAltay]

I had to go , Literally waited 4? hours ( The time I Said I Will went ) , and plus 15 minutes for any question , anything , any explanation from tfiosforeva

My vote is staying on tfiosforeva , and , I am going , Actually can Wait 5 More minutes .

[UzayAltay]

So Will go in 5 minutes

[tfiosforevah]

I had to go , Literally waited 4? hours ( The time I Said I Will went ) , and plus 15 minutes for any question , anything , any explanation from tfiosforeva

My vote is staying on tfiosforeva , and , I am going , Actually can Wait 5 More minutes .

I’m in college and have class??? Anyways, long post coming up soon

[MoustachioMario]

/vote Soul

[MoustachioMario]

/vote Soul

NVM wrong person
/vote Takumi

I feel like they are tryharding rn

[MoustachioMario]

[b]Let's make the most of the time we have left and bring home a town win. [/b]Brackets:

{Soul}
{Era, Jezz, Uzay}
{Nopi, Debil, Mario}
{Tfios}

Just to elaborate, for Nopi I didn't like some of her reactions on D2, Phone/Debil I'm unsure of due to general inactivity, Uzay is kinda a PL imo because he's harder for me to read, Mario I don't like how he flip flops on things and doesn't explain his reads, and me gut says nope to him. Tfios I don't even have as a strong scumread, I'm gonna be honest. The lack of interaction between them and Chem along with their use of this is my first VFM doesn't sit right with me, but I do like some of their more recent posts, as they do carry a logic I can follow and they look to be of a better quality.

I think I'm gonna put the game on pause for a bit until we have this situation solved.

Nvm then ig

I have a logic you can follow?

lol

I can't even follow my own logic sometimes :P

[Soulshade55r]

/vote Soul

low elo game.

[MoustachioMario]

I don't care about what I said about Takumi before because they are scum now.

[Soulshade55r]

I don't care about what I said about Takumi before because they are scum now.

B

[MoustachioMario]

I don't care about what I said about Takumi before because they are scum now.

B

What does this mean.

Takumi keeps going from townlean to scumlean

[MoustachioMario]

/Vote Jezz

Apart of crimsons wagon, I don't. Like how they half assed defended Uzay either.

I'm putting pressure on this don't sheep it yet

lol

best way to put pressure on someone is to say it

[tfiosforevah]

Okay, Uzay, you asked for me to explain. Here's that explanation.
Day 1:
Spoiler: you never talked about Crimson at all and ignored their lynch wagon. Why was that?

Phoenix , TBH If You changed your Style I can see both where scumread and your Logic come from , TBH it seems I should try to read it from mid/end-day If your early Game isnt very revelant .
And given that We are being closer to that part , could I ask You If You are suspecting somebody atm ?

Why were you focusing on phone? phone was very heavily scumread at that point so why would a townie care about who he read as scum?

I am gonna hypoclaim.

I am the Sheriff. The person named VC flipped red

And I Guess chemist did too (unless it's meme) and thats why he vote him?

Friendly reminder : I Dont understand What are You speaking about , but DONT speak about it being about or fake . You can speak about it Coming from scum or town , but Dont speak about is it fake or Real ( If it is Coming from town ) .

if you don't understand what i am speaking about that means you didn't read much & it's so early to gather me data...Probably Doesn't Matter Either i'm going to die early in the game

It was a friendly reminder , As I understand You were speaking about it is Coming from V or w , just I am not sure , and I want to remind You Because of You were swimming at dangerous Waters . ( acting near dangerous things )

Why were you threatening juck? What did juck do that seemed scummy?

{Chemist}
{Crimson, Wabbit, Takumi, Jezz}
{Soul, Mario, Noping, tfios, Eragon}
{juck, Phone, Uzay}
{}

p-edit: Would say that's towny for Soul

Where is The read on me and Phone comes ?
And Why I am Same tier with Juck ????

Why are you surprised about being on the same tier as juck, but not surprised as being on the same tier as Phone? At that point, phone was a lot scummier than juck was for the majority of the town
Day 2:
Spoiler:

Okay , Juck and Soul is hard-buddying each other ( or Actually Juck is buddying Soul Because Soul was pushing Chem , Than Juck started The push , too ) but They cant be scum Unless We assumed There was only 1 scum in Crimson wagon , which seems very unlikely to me .
Now Lets look The EOD situation , with Jezz and Juck being The lead wagons .
The thing I want to eleminate is Juck V Jezz w situation , it would be much easier and low risky to CFD Juck , given that Jezz wasnt even scumread at that point . Even though it is possible , very very unlikely , considering me TR jess , SR Juck , and above thing .
But , opposite is quite possible , Because mislynching Town!jezz from A team includes scum!juck would be suicide , with main pusher+Juck would immadieatly scumread , and probably lynched later .
This come to Another place :
Would A Mafia without Juck tried to mislynch Town!Jezz ! This is Possible , but detailing on that would be highly speculative.

The scenario which make More sense is ( If We ignore Both being scum ) is Scum!juck , given that Trying to mislynch V!jezz would be suicide . And even We considering both scum , it Dont change Juvk scum make The most sense .

You never acknowledged this read after it was revealed that juck was bodydouble and soul is tracker. what do you think about jezz now using this same logic?

/vote juck

I believe You should be lynched Day 1 , but late is better Than none .

This. Why did you think juck should be lynched day 1?

My Actual ROLE IS BODYDOUBLE SO Town lets Maker IT LET STAR Pushing chemist today and we lynch eragon and uzay wait


Lets Start with Uazy

/Vote Uazy

Than Why You are keep saying " there is sheriff " ?
And Why You are keep role-fıshing even I Said Almost start of Day 1 I would deathtunnel anyone doing that ?
I am keeping my vote until Seeing You are only TP claim .

Why weren't you backing down? I realize nobody had time to cc juck yet but you were still scum reading juck?

If Juck is Body double then chemist visiting Juck is 100% scum.

Hard Tracker claim here

Hard CCing Tracker, no visits on Eragon

I claimed cit because if Soul was scum I would be killed that night + didn’t want to out myself

/vote Soul

TBH Soul 's claim is More believable , given that he claimed First , and he softed it .
And given that Soul had no reason to Do that as scum
/vote Chem

Not even 10 minutes later you back off on juck and jump on the chemist wagon since it was evident that chemist was scum. bussing fellow maf maybe?

Now uzay push wow he if you lynched me D1 You will lose your TP Luckliy iwasn't lynched

It was Said 100 Times


YOU DONT HAVE TO OPENWOLF AS PR
Like I Can even give You The Thread about This being discussed
I am just being pissed

shut up you are arrstend

Arrstend ?
Can I ask Everyone Is there anybody who Thinks If you openwolfed or not ?
I am sure You Will Get More Than %75 votes .

Actually Wait , Lets Do This
Hope This Will make your Plays better in long time

Votecount on Juck openwolfed or not
/vote openwolfed

Openwolfed -1 - UzayAltay
Not openwolfed - 0 -

I am really doing This .

Seriously? Did you thought i played like town? IK My claim was gone save me so i start a trap vote from being of game i did openwolfed

if i was cit i never come with that behaviour BTW This doesn't make you free you still defend chemist like eragon

You : I played Like scum
Also You : The people push me are scum .

It's sad both PRs had to out but even if I did out without Juck it would of had the same effect because they would die protecting me

Yeah man i was not gone claim since this idiots voted me in same time they didn't even ask my role thats make them obv scum ik you had lead thats why i voted him but i was going to still start my trap vote (acting like scum saved me from maf cause they were sure i was going to be lynched D2 So use this too)

We wont say you to claim Unless You were pushed Because of A claim ( for example , A Red-check ) , You should manually claim at L3 ( or L2 , but L 3 is better I believe ) .

Also I believe You should see This : viewtopic.php?f=18&t=91047

yeah sure they guy who said "I Should lynched You D1" For What? did i speak to much or i was threat to mafia? btw by claiming that i'm scum i was just doing memephase and thats how you got offended that you imm vote me D1

Because of A mislynch happened Day 1
And I believed You would flip scum ?

Your only explanation was because "you believed he would flip scum"? Doesn't sound like a very strong reason, seems very fake

Be Honest You were going to lynch me hard for no reason did you gave me a chance?

You could think Day 1 lynch Dont happen on You as A chance
And not openwolf Day 2 , too .
And it is not possible giving chances to players every time , but You had A chance , and You didnt used that either .
For The people who didnt have The chance , look : Crimson

This was your defense to juck's question? Even I have the same question (look above to previous point)
Day 3:
Spoiler:

The quick hammer should not have happened, like after soul outing chemist was always gonna be the lynch but we could have used the discussion time
I mean takumi and Mario hadn’t even checked in yet
But whatever
Good thing is we’re one scum down and our TP was someone mafia would not have NK’ed as a priority if he were VT so lol

I believe we are on a good spot ,but we may lose our advantage with a ML , so we need to be cautious here .

And? Got anything more to add to this?

day 2 wagon is kinda useless to look at for vca purposes since everyone just piled onto chemist
I'll need to go back and check vote context probably, but even that might be hard since soul literally had a guilty on chemist

but here's day 1 updated with confirmed alignments

Crimson|5|Jezz, Chemist, Mario, Noping, Eragon
Juck|2|Wabbit, Uzay
Wabbit|1|Soul
Jezz|1|Crimson
Chemist|1|Juck

not voting: tfios, phone, takumi


I'm way more biased here cos I know I'm town and imo I have doubts that scum would feel the need to pile on crimsons wagon if they knew the counter choices were town + a non threatening wagon on chemist.

But for everyone else:
- Do you think there were 0,1 or 2 scum other than chemist on the wagon? if 1-2, who is/are most likely?
- If there is 1 scum there other than chemist, would the other scum be more likely uzay, or a non-voter?
- If there is 0 scum there other than chemist, where would the 2 scum be?

2 is impossible unless Eragon/Jezz , which I cant see , and if it is the answer we are already lost. ( I dont think no other scum team except this can pull this off )
Both 1 and 0 is possible , thinking more on 1 like yesterday , bur 0 isnt off-possibility , due juck flipping v as well .

SO, from my PoV , ( assuming you are v ) , It is at least 1 in ( tfios, phone, takumi ) and at most 1 in ( Mario, Noping, Eragon ) .

Why is Takumi in the same pool as me and phone? I don't recall them being read the same as either of us.

[spoiler](Moral Speaking )

-Ehem Ehem
This speaking would be mainly towards Jezz , Because Jezz is The most experienced Player here , and have much More believable things Than us .

I believe that staying in our and other people's memories is More important Than staying in paper's , staying in paper's Also good , but would it Matter If nobody remembers You when You Meet again ?

Now , Lets back to The Game . First , Lets back to The point I was on at Last
" SO, from my PoV , ( assuming you are v ) , It is at least 1 in ( tfios, phone, takumi ) and at most 1 in ( Mario, Noping, Eragon ) . "

Now , Lets put The tiers
{Soul} (90-100)
{Jezz , Mario } (65-90)
{Takumi , Eragon , Noping } - Null line (40-65)
{TheDebil , tfiosforevah } (15-40)
{} ( (0-15)

If We put This at Numbers :
Soul = 100
Jezz = 85
Mario = 80
Eragon = 62
Takumi = 58
Noping = 54
Debil = 50
Tfiosforeva = 25

Explanations :
Soul = Should I really explain This ?
Jezz = The most townie person IMO .
I am ready to nominate him for best play If he flips scum Ever .
Like his posts are All Trying to move The Game forward , and I believe , Geniune .
Mario =

trying to work out whether or not mario's posts are AI is probably one of the most frustrating things I've encountered in FM

And with Jezz's explanation being only strong explanation about his Alignment , and it make sense , I am Actually agreeing with Jezz here .

Eragon = ( For Looking Why Takumi is below Eragon , look "Takumi Explanation " )
Some part of This read is Literally mirror of his reads , wuth A Few More , wont Quote it again .
About other things , mainly his Day 3 is The thing which smells me as Town!Eragon .

Takumi = Actually , he is Obviously More townie Than Eragon , but one thing is crossing my mind , so I should leave A doubt on them .The thing is , Chemist pushing Mario when he had A scumread on Jezz/Takumi . My mind is saying that What If This is A " Attack The Attacker " situation ? Even I am TRing Takumi , I want to have A doubt .

Noping = You know , he is Also hard to read , Like Mario , Jezz is believing Noping is town but I am A bit close to Null , only reason I am leaning town ( very Tiny ) atm is some of his posts seems Geniune , and PoE makes him More likely town atm .
Noping , I am not considering You as Today's lynch ( Because there is A better candidate ) , but I should see your reads , Because You are A strong candidate for tmrrw , IMO .

TheDebil = He come as new , Seems good so far , and I believe I can solve him tomorrow .

tfiosforeva = Seems completely fake . From him not Explaining The read on me , to change reads completely with smallest pressure , at every point , he seems fake . Just compare him with Debil ,and You Will see The difference .

/vote tfiosforeva

I’d just like to point out to everyone in the town a few things that I find of note. I’d like to point out who the main person is that is pushing me, just in case I do get lynched today. Here’s my take on things. Yes, I acknowledge that even I realize that my reads aren’t the best, but that’s because I haven’t played in years, and irl I cave to pressure quickly so that sometimes translates here. Here’s another thing. Why am I still alive? I know there’s only been two nights so far, but from what I believe, the Mafia won’t kill me at night. Why? Because a lot of people are scum reading me and I acknowledge that I need to work on my playing style. So why is that important? It’s because I’m an easy target to push in the daytime, and once I flip town they could easily pull a “oh whoops we legit thought she was scum sorry” and move on. Here’s the thing, I KNOW THAT I AM TOWN. If you don’t believe me, you do you, but when I flip town come back and read this post. I’m in most people’s bottom two for scum right now, so you should be looking for another player.

You Literally Said I had posts which is asked at wrong times ?
If You Said I had posts , you should be able to at least Quote 1-2 of them , even without explanation .
But I still not Seeing anything .
And for reminder , Not having laptop for A while shouldn't be A reason for unexplained reads , when I play Almost full Game ( or even More , I had 32 games Played on This site ( Actually hadnt played at Another site but whatever it is not The topic ) , and at least 25 of them was at full mobile , with 7 being only sometimes mobile sometimes PC , and I believe it is not A problem for not Explaining reads .

Now you know why I had to wait for my laptop for me to post this extensive list. If you are town, I'd be seriously shocked.
[/spoiler]
And that's all the posts that have made me scumread uzay. There's that explanation you've been waiting for.

[MoustachioMario]

What does openwolf even mean

[MoustachioMario]

I think Tracker should claim cit :P

[TakumiHijirihara]

What does openwolf even mean

Something something openly/obviously scummy etc etc etc

[Eragon1329]

you are all potatoes