VFM42 | GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 4

[lemonader666]

Lemon needs links to EoD/SoD posts

Just check my ISO bro

[Jezz92]

uzay/phone can't have any more than one imo
unless you think chemist just had both of them as scum in his read brackets which is ?????

no

my opinion is one in both pools

one alpha wolf and one beta wolf

ok

[Jezz92]

at this point i think i just have to figure out whether or not the chemist wagon is pure
if i can confidently say i think it was than my sorting pool still stands esp if we also consider town!mario from a scum!chemist flip

[Jezz92]

the quick hammer was bad but also NAI
if scum were around they would have just bussed there imo, i doubt any scum buddy would have associated with chemist after soul outed when you consider the way chemist reacted to it
but there is also a chance that both other scum weren't around and everyone active at the time was town

[TakumiHijirihara]

Okay. Lemme just say, I'm making a pseudocatch-up post for day 2, I'll spoiler it. But a thought occurred to me. And if my earlier tinfoiling was correct and Jezz is scum Imma be so mad.

Lemon needs links to EoD/SoD posts

Just check my ISO bro

But thats like. Two taps dude. im lazy

[TakumiHijirihara]

However. If we can get one scum today, we'll be in good shape.

[Jezz92]

dude we have 2 safe ML's rn
I'm gonna flip town but I'm actually fine being lynched if it's gonna put your mind at ease here, and if you believe my flip will help with POE

I just wanna use today wisely rather than QH like 18 hours in again

[Jezz92]

and yes scum lynch is ideal today but I'm prob the worst person to have around should we get to LyLo so if I need to be resolved I'd rather it be today

[TakumiHijirihara]

dude we have 2 safe ML's rn
I'm gonna flip town but I'm actually fine being lynched if it's gonna put your mind at ease here, and if you believe my flip will help with POE

I just wanna use today wisely rather than QH like 18 hours in again

2MLs go quick in a game where people are okay with quick lynching at the start of a day. I honestly don't want to lynch anyone right now, because I haven't finished reading. I'd prefer if we lynched

A) after everyone has checked in and said what they want said
B) Either by plurality or near the end of the daynear
C) After a decent amount of discussion so that we can be fairly sure of whoever ends up our lynch target.

While information is to be gained from just any lynch we make, if we mislynch we're one step closer to a loss. Avoiding that altogether would be preferable.

[Soulshade55r]

the quick hammer was bad but also NAI
if scum were around they would have just bussed there imo, i doubt any scum buddy would have associated with chemist after soul outed when you consider the way chemist reacted to it
but there is also a chance that both other scum weren't around and everyone active at the time was town

I somewhat regret unvoting to give us more time it was foolish of me to not.

The voting yesterday was scummy how quick it was I didn't expect people to vote so fast

[Soulshade55r]

in our scum pool

i actually will be in disbelief if there is no scum in tfios/uzay/phone

You're also possible scum aswell imo.

[Jezz92]

if we think chemist wagon is pure and we also think chemist vs mario was TvS we literally win just by lynching everyone else:
takumi/jezz/tfios/phone
I'd be going for tfios and phone first here because I think takumi is town

but this would be risky if we think someone bussed chemist and/or chemist tried to bus mario

and yeah obviously more discussion to try and decide which lynch is best, but from my POV it's gonna be basic POE if chemist voters+ mario are all town

so with that I'm gonna look more into the wagon formation, idk if I'll get much from it but let's see

[Soulshade55r]

and yes scum lynch is ideal today but I'm prob the worst person to have around should we get to LyLo so if I need to be resolved I'd rather it be today

no matter how bad you are at lylo lynching someone who is probably town is going to leave town in a bad position

soul is almost certainly going to be killed and if we lynch you its 5v2

2 mislynches and game over

2 miss lynched gives us space today to mess up.

[Jezz92]

in our scum pool

i actually will be in disbelief if there is no scum in tfios/uzay/phone

You're also possible scum aswell imo.

what do you think about chemist "baiting" him to hammer?

[Soulshade55r]

Also I want to make this crystal clear if it gets to 3v2 Don't vote, I want to make this clear.


Only vote when you are all in agreement Heck be careful when you could be dealing with low Town majority

[Soulshade55r]

in our scum pool

i actually will be in disbelief if there is no scum in tfios/uzay/phone

You're also possible scum aswell imo.

what do you think about chemist "baiting" him to hammer?

Have no current thoughts on it but its something I'll look at.

It's 3am I need to look back at day 2 it was a mess

[TakumiHijirihara]

if we think chemist wagon is pure and we also think chemist vs mario was TvS we literally win just by lynching everyone else:
takumi/jezz/tfios/phone
I'd be going for tfios and phone first here because I think takumi is town

but this would be risky if we think someone bussed chemist and/or chemist tried to bus mario

and yeah obviously more discussion to try and decide which lynch is best, but from my POV it's gonna be basic POE if chemist voters+ mario are all town

so with that I'm gonna look more into the wagon formation, idk if I'll get much from it but let's see

Rn, I don't think Chem's wagon was pure because of the quicklynch. I think there was panic and he got bussed by at least 1

[Soulshade55r]

if we think chemist wagon is pure and we also think chemist vs mario was TvS we literally win just by lynching everyone else:
takumi/jezz/tfios/phone
I'd be going for tfios and phone first here because I think takumi is town

but this would be risky if we think someone bussed chemist and/or chemist tried to bus mario

and yeah obviously more discussion to try and decide which lynch is best, but from my POV it's gonna be basic POE if chemist voters+ mario are all town

so with that I'm gonna look more into the wagon formation, idk if I'll get much from it but let's see

Rn, I don't think Chem's wagon was pure because of the quicklynch. I think there was panic and he got bussed by at least 1

Chemist wagon wasn't pure at all

[Soulshade55r]

My bet there is scum on chemist's wagon.

Problem is today I'm in a lot of pressure because this is my last opportunity to be of help, I'll probably start making full reads list tommorow.

[Jezz92]

it's hard to judge it based just on activity levels at the time of the wagon
like the people who were active at the time were the ones that voted chemist
the ones who were not active did not

[Jezz92]

ye I kinda think noping is least likely scum there just cos of that baiting thing
i guess that could've been a faked TvS thing but not feeling that rn

[Jezz92]

day 2 wagon is kinda useless to look at for vca purposes since everyone just piled onto chemist
I'll need to go back and check vote context probably, but even that might be hard since soul literally had a guilty on chemist

but here's day 1 updated with confirmed alignments

Crimson|5|Jezz, Chemist, Mario, Noping, Eragon
Juck|2|Wabbit, Uzay
Wabbit|1|Soul
Jezz|1|Crimson
Chemist|1|Juck

not voting: tfios, phone, takumi


I'm way more biased here cos I know I'm town and imo I have doubts that scum would feel the need to pile on crimsons wagon if they knew the counter choices were town + a non threatening wagon on chemist.

But for everyone else:
- Do you think there were 0,1 or 2 scum other than chemist on the wagon? if 1-2, who is/are most likely?
- If there is 1 scum there other than chemist, would the other scum be more likely uzay, or a non-voter?
- If there is 0 scum there other than chemist, where would the 2 scum be?

[tfiosforevah]

it's hard to judge it based just on activity levels at the time of the wagon
like the people who were active at the time were the ones that voted chemist
the ones who were not active did not

Yeah as soon as I logged in majority had already been reached and I probably would’ve voted for chemist too after that scummy counterclaim

[Jezz92]

it's hard to judge it based just on activity levels at the time of the wagon
like the people who were active at the time were the ones that voted chemist
the ones who were not active did not

Yeah as soon as I logged in majority had already been reached and I probably would’ve voted for chemist too after that scummy counterclaim

Anything else to comment on?
Do you think there was scum bussing chemist yesterday?
What do you think of chemist's push on mario now that chemist flipped scum?

[Jezz92]

This post was made by jucktropy who is on your ignore list.
Display this post.

If it’s anything important someone tell me, otherwise I think we lynch him to resolve EoD1

/vote juck

Resolve what? If he is scum where are his buddies voting? Do you think crimson wagon had scum on it?

scum!juck points to at least 1 on the Crimson wagon, likely the fourth or fifth voter. If he’s town we sort the off-wagon/non-voters

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on wagon: jezz/mario/noping/eragon
off wagon: uzay/tfios/phone/takumi

ngl this makes me wonder who chemist would be pushing today if he hadn't been lynched and juck as flipped town.

Like does this mean anything now that we know it's coming from scum or was he just saying whatever the fuck he wanted without really thinking about it?
idk maybe he made that comment just to self-deflect