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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:27 pm
by Kmenx
0verki11 wrote:
Alzar wrote:im still allowed to join games

I thought you couldnt join games from your queue?

He theorically did not join though

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:27 pm
by Phone0Ix
I think Alzar is allowed to join games from own queue? Only problem is them being part of balance team I think.

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:28 pm
by TarpleyHitt
I don't really know what to do or say now.... :p

does anyone know something i should comment on??

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:28 pm
by Hibari1998
alzar is a known cheater, but it's up to us townies to stop him. he has the blue name for a reason

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:28 pm
by Alzar
does this circlejerk between kmenx and the new player have anything to do witht he actual game

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:29 pm
by ryanyb
Hibari1998 wrote:
ryanyb wrote:
Kmenx wrote:
ryanyb wrote:I find this entire mrStoldi thing very amusing

Like, the fact people argued with them was hilarious.

Pot calling kettles black

Excuse you, never have I ever sunken to the level of said player.

I don’t alt.

who are you referring to here, fool?

Idk, probably truegent.

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:29 pm
by Hibari1998
Alzar wrote:does this circlejerk between kmenx and the new player have anything to do witht he actual game

does your superiority complex have anything to do with the game?

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:29 pm
by Kmenx
Ok guys since we are all Alzar we can make Alzar dies B1 xd memes as kong as someone dies N1 now this is epic

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:29 pm
by WitchHaven
Spoiler:
Eragon1329 wrote:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the cop. When it becomes prudent I will provide my check.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the cop. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the cop cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 26 players you need to try to read, rather than 27: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the cop, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

VFM39 flashbacks

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:29 pm
by Alzar
correction: circlejerk between kmenx and the gobln alt

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 pm
by FMLSheWas12
Hibari1998 wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:I think Alzar just replaced the entire game.

Is this an illegal post?

are you cheating again?

evanmanmanman, where is fmlshewas12's punishment? he's broken rules twice. and while i'm at it, you still haven't given me dash2's alignment.

:)

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 pm
by ryanyb
I’ve been finding it funny at least

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 pm
by ryanyb
Can you guys even vote me

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 pm
by Kmenx
Alzar wrote:correction: circlejerk between kmenx and the gobln alt

Are you sure he is a Gobln alt he made like three post without calling himself a god

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 pm
by Hibari1998
Dash2 wrote:This is a daily votecount because I'm obligated to do the lazy assed host's job

jucktropy|2| KoolKid777, 0verki11
KoolKid777 |1| jucktropy
Jamezbeast |1| non271103
HeyYaStand |1| Jamezbeast
ryanyb |1| Hibari1998
0verki11 |1| TarpleyHitt
Phone0Ix |1| Eragon1329
non271103 |1| Tiltedcomedian
Kmenx |1| Alzar

my vote is on jamezbeast can you please go back and recount?

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 pm
by 0verki11
Alzar wrote:correction: circlejerk between kmenx and the gobln alt

Probably correct tbh

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 pm
by Kmenx
Dash2 wrote:This is a daily votecount because I'm obligated to do the lazy assed host's job

jucktropy|2| KoolKid777, 0verki11
KoolKid777 |1| jucktropy
Jamezbeast |1| non271103
HeyYaStand |1| Jamezbeast
ryanyb |1| Hibari1998
0verki11 |1| TarpleyHitt
Phone0Ix |1| Eragon1329
non271103 |1| Tiltedcomedian
Kmenx |1| Alzar

Is it host not doing his job or just a game mechanic

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:31 pm
by Phone0Ix
Why remove FML's queue wall?

Also Dash you are amazing

1 problem, HeyYaStand is dead

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm
by Alzar
im going to keep calling you bad kmenx

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm
by 0verki11
ryanyb wrote:Can you guys even vote me

/vote RyanB

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm
by Hibari1998
Alzar wrote:im going to keep calling you bad kmenx

before you insult anyone else you should look inside your own heart first

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm
by Alzar
nah

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm
by FMLSheWas12
Phone0Ix wrote:Why remove FML's queue wall?

Also Dash you are amazing

1 problem, HeyYaStand is dead

...wait what?

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm
by ryanyb
The host won’t confirm nor deny so it was more of a hypothetical question than ‘hey fucks who argue with alts vote me’

Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:33 pm
by 0verki11
0verki11 wrote:
ryanyb wrote:Can you guys even vote me

/vote RyanB

/vote ryanyb
Why did I think ur name was spelt like that wtf.