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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:50 am

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby KoolKid777 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:50 am

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Eragon1329 wrote:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the cop. When it becomes prudent I will provide my check.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the cop. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the cop cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 26 players you need to try to read, rather than 27: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the cop, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.


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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby HeyYaStand » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:50 am

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Dumb pasta.


Dam you you break my heart Spell The DAM Name right why voting me :/

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby taylork2 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:51 am

Eragon on a seeious note, there's something about your claim post I really don't like, though I don't have time to read over to say what.
Well, just in case in the meantime don't be an edgy fag.
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:51 am

Eragon1329 wrote:
Tiltedcomedian wrote: Spoiler:
Eragon1329 wrote:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the cop. When it becomes prudent I will provide my check.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the cop. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the cop cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 26 players you need to try to read, rather than 27: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the cop, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.


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Eragon1329 wrote:Image


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KoolKid777 wrote:
Tiltedcomedian wrote: Spoiler:
Eragon1329 wrote:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the cop. When it becomes prudent I will provide my check.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the cop. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the cop cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 26 players you need to try to read, rather than 27: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the cop, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.


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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:51 am

taylork2 wrote:Eragon on a seeious note, there's something about your claim post I really don't like, though I don't have time to read over to say what.
Well, just in case in the meantime don't be an edgy fag.



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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby jucktropy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:51 am

Well we don't have time for memes guys 36 hour :/ we better Start Our work
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:52 am

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby non271103 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:52 am

jucktropy wrote:Well we don't have time for memes guys 36 hour :/ we better Start Our work

How about no
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby jucktropy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:52 am

Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby HeyYaStand » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:53 am

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:53 am

jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby non271103 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:55 am

Eragon1329 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD

/vote Eragon

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:55 am

non271103 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD

/vote Eragon

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby jucktropy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:55 am

Eragon1329 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD



How about i meme too? XD
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:56 am

EvilDeanius0 wrote:
KoolKid777 wrote:i'm gonna play this one laid back for now and give the kids a chance to shine

cya whenever i decide to claim lookout

Stop copying me

tbf your lookout fiasco is better gone
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby jucktropy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:57 am

jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD



How about i meme too? XD


Nvm my memes aren't quality work
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:57 am

Eragon1329 wrote:
non271103 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD

/vote Eragon

Go die in hell


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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:57 am

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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:57 am

I’m just waiting for Jordashian to show up
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am

Lookout on me for a free win!!
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am

FMLSheWas12 wrote:Lookout on me for a free win!!


Listen carefully, (Shhh)
I know it’s hard for you, (I know)
You’re not quite used to vulgarity and verbal abuse, (Get ready)
Well first off fuck you and what you represent
Tryna take the money you didn’t earn, you won’t see a fucking cent
I’m sorry, did I just make you feel upset? Wanna add a habit and light about 30 cigarettes? (You should)
You’re only mad about the fact that I put a light to you
Basically tracing paper when all we see is right through you!
Who doesn’t love analogies with a couple meanings
Especially when it makes a prick like you start steaming
I can tell you’re not quite gettin’ what I said before
What I mean by tracing paper’s that you’re see-through and disposable
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:00 am

thats actually probably the worst song ive ever heard
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby HeyYaStand » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:00 am

Eragon1329 wrote:
jucktropy wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:/Jucktropy


LAMIST


Fine do your meme :/



its to late now to sa---- DBMADGBKQEAG I APOLIGIZE FOR ALMOST BREAKING THE CODE OF HONOR OF TRUE MEME LAWRD

Oh boy, how exciting.

On a tangent, jack isn’t LAMIST at all. I do agree he sounded fake, but I’m thinking that’s newbie nervousness right now. LAMIST just sounds like you pulled a cool sounding reason out of your ass.
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Re: SFM52: Bastard Mess (Day one)

Postby KoolKid777 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:00 am

i forgot how impatient i am with these kinds of games

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