VFM27 |FM The Musical| For Now. (GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS)

[TheWabbit]

What's scummy about asking a PR to claim?
In ToS ranked jailor claiming D1 is the new meta, but I understand FM is a bit different. I'll be honest I mainly threw that out there to try and move the game forward a little and guage some reactions, but that aspect of it seems to have gone a little too well lol (you were supposed to give your opinions so I could make associations not full on wagon me, I also wanted to see if anybody supported the option, because to be honest I can kinda understand the benefits of it, as in a small game, if we wait for MyLo or LyLo and have PR's claim then- the mafia can easily cc, so claiming now eliminates this and allows us a confirmed townie plus the ability of the protective to WIFOM, although FFS why would the TP claim :I)

I beg to learn why Jailor claiming D1 is an actual strategy

[TheWabbit]

I'm a doctor guessing people wanted Doctor but this could be a lie or the truth .

Wonder if this is meme or not... I am pretty curious on the roles involved in this..

Now Evan, you've got a townread from me this turn! <no emoticons this time, even though i would have put a laugh one>

if soul is town claudia's probably scum

[TheWabbit]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

another scummy meme

ok who's next

[Soulshade55r]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

Why would you even do that if you aren't?

For me to know and you to find out

[EvanManManMan]

Wabbit tell me your thoughts on JameZ

[EvanManManMan]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

Why would you even do that if you aren't?

For me to know and you to find out

???

[TheWabbit]

here starts a more serious phase of D1
I'll be starting to be more aggressive this time, think that would be better for my playstyle

[TheWabbit]

Wabbit tell me your thoughts on JameZ

Jamez post about TI revealing has no scent at all

[Soulshade55r]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

another scummy meme

ok who's next

Cee your using some logic megusa I'm definitely scum

But seriously I don't mind what you think of me right now.

[EvanManManMan]

Wabbit tell me your thoughts on JameZ

Jamez post about TI revealing has no scent at all

Why do you say this?

[EvanManManMan]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

another scummy meme

ok who's next

Cee your using some logic megusa I'm definitely scum

But seriously I don't mind what you think of me right now.

Wtf is megusa?

[TheWabbit]

Wabbit tell me your thoughts on JameZ

Jamez post about TI revealing has no scent at all

Why do you say this?

given the circumstances it is a valid point, only rivaled by the closemindedness of the TP.

[TheWabbit]

tell me exactly why you think they're scum

[Soulshade55r]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

another scummy meme

ok who's next

Cee your using some logic megusa I'm definitely scum

But seriously I don't mind what you think of me right now.

Wtf is megusa?

Some Spanish language megusa cee Iwenterno


But yeah I'm claiming PR

[TheWabbit]

bich why

[EvanManManMan]

tell me exactly why you think they're scum

Didn't you say that a follow the cop setup was bad?

[MafiaMenace]

Catchup, leaving vote out of the spoiler:
Spoiler:

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

wth no jamez, jesus.
I do genuinely believe this is a newbie mistake nonetheless, it doesn't feel like a thing Jamez would ask for as mafia, idk.

Poly you forgot to join the mafia chat btw.

Thought I would remind you.

hey can you rng scum again?

but i did ;-;

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

/vote JameZbeast

Agreed tbh

Bleh I’ll grant them the “I’m new” excuse

Multi can you please stop with the Blehs in your first post, they really ping me.

Evan why'd you capitalize the z?

Why would you ask this?

It's very important for science?

Why is anyone making a Big deal outta a cap Z

Zzzzz.... Anyway I'm claiming Protective

This claim is def fake, I don't think Soul would be dumb enough to claim TP early on when there is a low chance of getting lo.

We have nobody to protect TP, why would you claim :I we better hope Cat 1 is a lookout, but needless to say, my whole cat 1 claim plan doesn't work with that tp claim.

ew

I'm a doctor guessing people wanted Doctor but this could be a lie or the truth .

lynch this scum, I'm positive Doc!Soulshade55r wouldn't gambit like this even as a Cit

/vote Soulshade55e

Fair point, reminds me of Gobs claim in NFM52.
I'll wagon that.
/vote Soul

[TheWabbit]

tell me exactly why you think they're scum

Didn't you say that a follow the cop setup was bad?

tell me something that I still don't have in mind

[EvanManManMan]

Catchup, leaving vote out of the spoiler:
Spoiler:

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

wth no jamez, jesus.
I do genuinely believe this is a newbie mistake nonetheless, it doesn't feel like a thing Jamez would ask for as mafia, idk.

Poly you forgot to join the mafia chat btw.

Thought I would remind you.

hey can you rng scum again?

but i did ;-;

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

/vote JameZbeast

Agreed tbh

Bleh I’ll grant them the “I’m new” excuse

Multi can you please stop with the Blehs in your first post, they really ping me.

Evan why'd you capitalize the z?

Why would you ask this?

It's very important for science?

Why is anyone making a Big deal outta a cap Z

Zzzzz.... Anyway I'm claiming Protective

This claim is def fake, I don't think Soul would be dumb enough to claim TP early on when there is a low chance of getting lo.

We have nobody to protect TP, why would you claim :I we better hope Cat 1 is a lookout, but needless to say, my whole cat 1 claim plan doesn't work with that tp claim.

ew

I'm a doctor guessing people wanted Doctor but this could be a lie or the truth .

lynch this scum, I'm positive Doc!Soulshade55r wouldn't gambit like this even as a Cit

/vote Soulshade55e

Fair point, reminds me of Gobs claim in NFM52.
I'll wagon that.
/vote Soul

Gobln is skilled. Soul is not

[EvanManManMan]

Oh he wanted the non TP to claim? I thought he wanted TP to claim
Mdb this is your fault

I'm the doc Tp on me:) okay maybe I am maybe I'm not

another scummy meme

ok who's next

Cee your using some logic megusa I'm definitely scum

But seriously I don't mind what you think of me right now.

Wtf is megusa?

Some Spanish language megusa cee Iwenterno


But yeah I'm claiming PR

JamesD28, Jamezbeast and James2 in one game. Holy

[MafiaMenace]

Catchup, leaving vote out of the spoiler:
Spoiler:

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

wth no jamez, jesus.
I do genuinely believe this is a newbie mistake nonetheless, it doesn't feel like a thing Jamez would ask for as mafia, idk.

Poly you forgot to join the mafia chat btw.

Thought I would remind you.

hey can you rng scum again?

but i did ;-;

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

/vote JameZbeast

Agreed tbh

Bleh I’ll grant them the “I’m new” excuse

Multi can you please stop with the Blehs in your first post, they really ping me.

Evan why'd you capitalize the z?

Why would you ask this?

It's very important for science?

Why is anyone making a Big deal outta a cap Z

Zzzzz.... Anyway I'm claiming Protective

This claim is def fake, I don't think Soul would be dumb enough to claim TP early on when there is a low chance of getting lo.

We have nobody to protect TP, why would you claim :I we better hope Cat 1 is a lookout, but needless to say, my whole cat 1 claim plan doesn't work with that tp claim.

ew

I'm a doctor guessing people wanted Doctor but this could be a lie or the truth .

lynch this scum, I'm positive Doc!Soulshade55r wouldn't gambit like this even as a Cit

/vote Soulshade55e

Fair point, reminds me of Gobs claim in NFM52.
I'll wagon that.
/vote Soul

Gobln is skilled. Soul is not

I know.
That doesn't mean they can't try the same thing.

[TheWabbit]

mafia has daychat, friendly reminder

[EvanManManMan]

What's scummy about asking a PR to claim?
In ToS ranked jailor claiming D1 is the new meta, but I understand FM is a bit different. I'll be honest I mainly threw that out there to try and move the game forward a little and guage some reactions, but that aspect of it seems to have gone a little too well lol (you were supposed to give your opinions so I could make associations not full on wagon me, I also wanted to see if anybody supported the option, because to be honest I can kinda understand the benefits of it, as in a small game, if we wait for MyLo or LyLo and have PR's claim then- the mafia can easily cc, so claiming now eliminates this and allows us a confirmed townie plus the ability of the protective to WIFOM, although FFS why would the TP claim :I)

In a VFM setup like this, there are only 2 PRs. If we get one to claim, then it gives scum easy targets. It sets up sitting ducks for scum to pick off.

Using Town of Salem meta to defend yourself is despicable and warrants a lynch on its own.

Moving the game forward is ok, but they way you tried to do it just throws way too much info at scum and it makes their job so much easier.

Trying to form associations is fine. That is normal. Asking questions is normal. Asking questions to form associations is good. Asking PRs to claim is scummy as fuck. Don't play this off as you trying to get reactions.

There are no benefits to having PRs claim now. WIFOM late game is irrelevant because there is no way in hell a PR would make it that far in a game like this.

Protective WIFOM is retarded because it doesn't need to be enforced. Protection is already WIFOM in some degree. Making the sulituation worse for them is literally what it sounds like. Having a PR claim is making it worse for the protective, and there is no way around that.

Your plan was never going to work so don't blame it on Soul. If anything Soul's claim should be blamed on you entirely. Nobody else asked PRs to claim, and when a PR claimed, you can't shove that away from yourself.

I want to hear your real reasoning. You apparently have a plan for late game and this bullshit can't be it. If it is then I can find no reason to keep you alive.

@wabbit this explains my view pretty well

[TheWabbit]

chit gimme that scumread on me tyty

[EvanManManMan]

Catchup, leaving vote out of the spoiler:
Spoiler:

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

wth no jamez, jesus.
I do genuinely believe this is a newbie mistake nonetheless, it doesn't feel like a thing Jamez would ask for as mafia, idk.

Poly you forgot to join the mafia chat btw.

Thought I would remind you.

hey can you rng scum again?

but i did ;-;

Seeing as we have a TP, maybe the cat 1 PR should claim to confirm a townie (and stop the Mafia claiming it later down the line), if this is a stupid idea let me know, but I can only see it being helpful (unless we had a jailkeep, which would make it more of an issue as the mafia and jailkeep would have to WIFOM about attacking and jailing), what does everyone think about this?

/vote JameZbeast

Agreed tbh

Bleh I’ll grant them the “I’m new” excuse

Multi can you please stop with the Blehs in your first post, they really ping me.

Evan why'd you capitalize the z?

Why would you ask this?

It's very important for science?

Why is anyone making a Big deal outta a cap Z

Zzzzz.... Anyway I'm claiming Protective

This claim is def fake, I don't think Soul would be dumb enough to claim TP early on when there is a low chance of getting lo.

We have nobody to protect TP, why would you claim :I we better hope Cat 1 is a lookout, but needless to say, my whole cat 1 claim plan doesn't work with that tp claim.

ew

I'm a doctor guessing people wanted Doctor but this could be a lie or the truth .

lynch this scum, I'm positive Doc!Soulshade55r wouldn't gambit like this even as a Cit

/vote Soulshade55e

Fair point, reminds me of Gobs claim in NFM52.
I'll wagon that.
/vote Soul

Gobln is skilled. Soul is not

I know.
That doesn't mean they can't try the same thing.

That is why I think it is legit. I hate it but I think it is real.