13D: Just Desserts | Game Over | Town/Amne Win!

[glhf3]

I'm probably going to lay out my thoughts tomorrow.

Ice, please post your thoughts when you get on. I think we've pretty much run out of things to discuss and this is basically all I'm waiting on before voting.

[xUltiix]

Evil is the lynch today
Dont hammer until ice has put down his thoughts
Hammer away when that happens

[glhf3]

Evil is the lynch today
Dont hammer until ice has put down his thoughts
Hammer away when that happens

Sounds good. It certainly is a lot more likely mechanically for Evil to be Stalker now that Cakez confirmed that spy isn't informed of the number of mafia members visiting a target.

[ICECLIMBERS]

I’m counting mdb as town here since there’s no reason not to unless they want to jeopardize winning.
10v3
Stalker lynch puts us at 8v2 tomorrow with at least two town protectives alive. James has stopped posting and is probably scum, so we lynch him and clear out the rest of the suspects.
Mafia lynch:
Tomorrow we’ll be at a 7v2. If we lynch mafia again it’ll be 5v1. Mislynching there will take us to 3v1 the next day, which is lylo. If we mislynch after lynching mafia it’ll be 4v2 I think which is also lylo.
Basically, we need to avoid mislynching so we can have insurance for a future mislynch.
If we lynch town it’ll be 6v3 tomorrow. If we lynch mafia there we’ll be at 3v2 the next day where lynching the stalker puts us at 2v1 at the end of the day, meaning that mafia just have to kill somebody to win. A mislynch today means that stalker has to die tomorrow. If we lynch stalker it’ll be 4v2 the following day, so a 3v1 with the last scum and probably 3 of the citizens. Best to avoid this since the citizens are all inactive. Come to think of it, if we mislynch today mdb should probably pick vigilante so best case scenario we lynch stalker and he shoots mafia.

TI can feed us results but if there’s a mafioso they’re not going to be helpful. If three visits last night were recorded by the spy then we know that there’s no mafioso unless they chose to become janitor and benignly clean somebody. Otherwise no conclusions can be drawn since they could’ve done no visiting if they knew there was a spy that wasn’t Halk.

I’m paranoid of James being Mafioso because Varanus died after being visited by mafia according to the spy, so maybe consig? Also I feel as if Evil would maybe stalk timur D1, and I still don’t trust Chubby and he’s pushing for an Evil lynch aa aAa :v
bzzt Noping needs to be prodded. Probably not mafia. Jane’s interactions with James- the cop fake, the confidence in James being town, also stuff with glhf, means that James/jane is unlikely and jane is unlikely to be mafia in general.
timur I can’t read since they’ve done nothing and should just not play fm. James keeps mentioning that he could be jester, and if we don’t think scum would do that for his buddies then he has that going for him at least (?!?)
Already touched on Chubby, less confident then before since I feel as if they’d be more aware of the thread. James saying that he got a NS result on Chubby is NAI depending on when that claim was made. If it was before Ultii said that James was scum, then maybe Chubby isn’t. Otherwise both hereisme and Chubby aren’t cleared. I still want to say there hereisme is town.
anways it’s late good night don’t screw everything up while I’m gone

[ICECLIMBERS]

btw Ultii I sent you another whisper
good night

[glhf3]

So, do you want an Evil or James lynch, Ice?

[RHawkeye]

Is hereisme just going to prodge again

[glhf3]

Is hereisme just going to prodge again

don't know.

Also, let us know if anything from Ice's post/pm changes your mind, Ultiix.

[JamesD28]

James has stopped posting and is probably scum

Look idk what else you want from me

I'm backed into a corner with the N1 rb and Ultiix seems to think it's impossible for me to be Town due to claimspace reasons

Town pretty much has this one in the bag so idrc about my lynch, but I'd say I've defended myself as much as I can and it hasn't changed the general opinion on me so I'm just going to flake until my inevitable demise comes

[ICECLIMBERS]

James has stopped posting and is probably scum

Look idk what else you want from me

I'm backed into a corner with the N1 rb and Ultiix seems to think it's impossible for me to be Town due to claimspace reasons

Town pretty much has this one in the bag so idrc about my lynch, but I'd say I've defended myself as much as I can and it hasn't changed the general opinion on me so I'm just going to flake until my inevitable demise comes

This is disgusting if you are town. We don't even have this in the bag or else the game would be over by now. Why did you check hereisme when Ultii said this?:

k tell me when ur done with instructions

TIs: Ralozey, OctoOoze, or Evil
Doctor: Your choice, make it wisely
Amnesiac: nothing fn

Go ahead and hammer.

Plus if you're town you know that Chubby and hereisme are cleared from being scum, so that leaves scum as 2 out of {Evil, Noping, Timur, Me/Spy}

So, do you want an Evil or James lynch, Ice?

depends
I want to hear more from Evil. Their silence is... troubling.

Is hereisme just going to prodge again

don't know.

Also, let us know if anything from Ice's post/pm changes your mind, Ultiix.

The whisper is unrelated to reads.

[JamesD28]

James has stopped posting and is probably scum

Look idk what else you want from me

I'm backed into a corner with the N1 rb and Ultiix seems to think it's impossible for me to be Town due to claimspace reasons

Town pretty much has this one in the bag so idrc about my lynch, but I'd say I've defended myself as much as I can and it hasn't changed the general opinion on me so I'm just going to flake until my inevitable demise comes

This is disgusting if you are town. We don't even have this in the bag or else the game would be over by now. Why did you check hereisme when Ultii said this?:

k tell me when ur done with instructions

TIs: Ralozey, OctoOoze, or Evil
Doctor: Your choice, make it wisely
Amnesiac: nothing fn

Go ahead and hammer.

We have TI, 2 TPs, mdb remembering tonight, giving us another TP or a TK, half the Mafia's already dead and Stalker's pretty much confirmed. I don't see any scenario where town loses this game without some massive fuckup, so by my definition, we have this one in the bag.

I checked hereisme because I'd rather check my scumreads over trusting Ultiix's judgement - not such a bad idea when Ultiix's judgement has me as scum.

[ICECLIMBERS]

You do realize that the reason why people think evil is stalker is because of the spy, right?

[JamesD28]

Right...?

[ICECLIMBERS]

so are you calling me scum then :think:

[JamesD28]

It's not impossible

I can check you tonight if you want

[ICECLIMBERS]

I've already gone over the problems with me being mafia if they really did visit Varanus. Blackmailer is the exception here.
If you're actually a sheriff then your best checks are Chubby/timur/Evil. And if the spy is actually an agent they'd probably have the mayor tapped so we could hypothetically do a whisper test with a tap target and that target whispering to anybody else.

[ICECLIMBERS]

I've already gone over the problems with me being mafia if they really did visit Varanus. Blackmailer is the exception here.

Which means that Blackmailer visited Varanus while mafia support did the kill, so it's not that likely.

[glhf3]

We're 24 hours out from day's end now.

[RHawkeye]

How far are we from hammer?

[RHawkeye]

We have TI, 2 TPs, mdb remembering tonight, giving us another TP or a TK, half the Mafia's already dead and Stalker's pretty much confirmed. I don't see any scenario where town loses this game without some massive fuckup, so by my definition, we have this one in the bag.

I checked hereisme because I'd rather check my scumreads over trusting Ultiix's judgement - not such a bad idea when Ultiix's judgement has me as scum.

Tbh this is basically a scum admission, particularly if Evil flips stalker.

[JamesD28]

We have TI, 2 TPs, mdb remembering tonight, giving us another TP or a TK, half the Mafia's already dead and Stalker's pretty much confirmed. I don't see any scenario where town loses this game without some massive fuckup, so by my definition, we have this one in the bag.

I checked hereisme because I'd rather check my scumreads over trusting Ultiix's judgement - not such a bad idea when Ultiix's judgement has me as scum.

Tbh this is basically a scum admission, particularly if Evil flips stalker.

?

[glhf3]

How far are we from hammer?

L-2.

[RHawkeye]

I can vote now if we're ready to hammer.

[glhf3]

Ya, I think the discussion's run its course.
/vote Evil

[ICECLIMBERS]

Is it worth it to run a spy check first?