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TheCow wrote:

IAmAMunchlax wrote:asdf asdf protown contribution

Wow, lock town. gjgj

notleyva wrote:I don't like cow's recent logic, or the bullshit that is coming through his mouth.

I believe Elusive's claim, and don't believe Cow's

Cow wanted to lynch Mela when it was Mela vs. Cyantic.

literally a scumslip

TheCow wrote:

ElusiveBelle wrote:Because there is no case, go sit in the corner and jest to yourself Cow. We'll maybe be nice and lynch you later if you need it.

Okay, Swords.

Belle claimed an impossible role. Belle is lying about his role, to an unknown extent.

ElusiveBelle wrote:Quick Mobile message about Ignis and I

What I can do
Day action, select player to jail.

Night action: Talk to target for first half the night, receive their role name upon release. Side note: I can possibly "conduct further experiments" on them upon release but have not been told what this means. My assumption is an upgrade of sorts? I was told I could not do so on FML. Or that they are inapplicable.

What Ignis can do:
Be instructed to "scan" players
PC checks, Sheriff Check, or Role check (similar to my own ability here). Cannot use again until they use the others and naturally once per day.
I can instruct them who to target but I do not receive the information myself. It will be announced to all.

Side ability: Acts as a vote in my stead, we can both vote but I decide which vote counts in the end. This is how Erravi and STAA operated as well I presume, and how FML, Ret, and their third would act if I had to guess. My assumption is that this is like a Jester blocker for me, or Phantom/Shade, as otherwise it would not be needed. So neutrals are likely in play.

It all sounds strong but it's not as much as you would think. I don't get specifics myself and all of Ignis's results are public.

What Ignis can do:
Be instructed to "scan" players
PC checks, Sheriff Check, or Role check (similar to my own ability here). Cannot use again until they use the others and naturally once per day.
I can instruct them who to target but I do not receive the information myself. It will be announced to all.

ShortcutButton wrote:Arc why is the case bad bro

TheCow wrote:The Leyva wagon is obviously a smokescreen. The timing is nonsensical. Dubious, even.

notleyva wrote:I don't like cow's recent logic, or the bullshit that is coming through his mouth.

I believe Elusive's claim, and don't believe Cow's

Cow wanted to lynch Mela when it was Mela vs. Cyantic.

literally a scumslip

This is leyva's only post in the past 29 hours.

In a vacuum, this post is never worth voting. His statements are true. It does not contradict his previous posts. Why, then, are we voting Leyva now instead of 30 hours ago? Timing is important here.

TheWolfBuddy wrote:mela can you stop bullshitting us and tell us your power

ElusiveBelle wrote:Hey Cow, that role you know that has extra votes. Do you think it is town or scum aligned? Same goes for the one that gave Mel an extra vote.

ElusiveBelle wrote:Because there is no case, go sit in the corner and jest to yourself Cow. We'll maybe be nice and lynch you later if you need it.

TheCow wrote:

ElusiveBelle wrote:Hey Cow, that role you know that has extra votes. Do you think it is town or scum aligned? Same goes for the one that gave Mel an extra vote.

Is this redirection or "clever" rhetoric?

ElusiveBelle wrote:

TheCow wrote:

ElusiveBelle wrote:Hey Cow, that role you know that has extra votes. Do you think it is town or scum aligned? Same goes for the one that gave Mel an extra vote.

Is this redirection or "clever" rhetoric?

it's a legitimate question if you want to save the town.

HalkInHunt wrote:Yo
A lock town had identified Belle is being pushed by scum
And is asking my team and the other

mihail66 wrote:

TheCow wrote:Further, Belle is pretty much confirmed scum via flavour k e k

Exactly the opposite, game is not bastard so Ellusive's mod confirmed messages can't be lying=>Ellusive is town(or at least a multicop, I haven't heard of scum cop but k)

Hiphoplog wrote:Well there's all the reads I can manage to make right now. More people need to die.
Spoiler: OK, so let's just start with this Elusive/Mel - 1 of them are given scum so that's easy, there are as Cow pointed out likely at most 4 of Mafia.
Elusive's claim is pretty weak to be honest, and everyone saying it's too strong to be town doesn't make a ton of sense. It's a simple interrogator/flavor cop which is above average but not overpowered and the day abilities from Ignis are maybe the strongest part since it is a daycop and day PC. Assuming then that Edward's claim is true, which it is since he is fairly obvious town, then there is a very good chance there is a day framer probably a fulltime framer because of Moon's flip as well. There being a good chance of one also contributes to making the Relius/Ignis claim look better.
Then of course since I believe Elusive's claim then Mel is going to be scum unless she is somehow an unaware miller or the aforementioned dayframer framed her or Erravi which isn't really out of the realm of possibilities as both of them were already being voted up. I don't really think they were framed either because of Mel's personal claim being rather ambiguous and I don't think anyone would give Mel a doublevote ability for the day with a guilty on her.

EdwardENygma wrote:

ShortcutButton wrote:He's confirmed I guess

I know I'm flip flopping but this is where I'm at right now

Sure am glad they're confirmed and not that obvious role we agreed was a crier earlier, boy would that be awful.


Short-Elusive-Hip-Sir scumteam? Possible. Former two for sure, Cakez is scummy on his own, Hip is the weak link because he's terrible. I haven't forgotten Gent.

So I mentioned earlier that Edward is very likely town and this is a pretty good post to just outright prove that. While his reads lack a lot of effort put into them it's pretty clear he is town from the admission of his lack of effort. Scum really want to blend in with the town and nothing sticks out more like a sore thumb than saying a player is definite scum and saying they can't really link any connections to any other scum reads. Scum wouldn't be caught dead being that careless and blatantly not trying with their read. (Oh and now that town-tell is used up so no one else is getting town-told for being lazy. In fact be lazy and I will off your head.)

Various Town read section:
I'm going to go ahead and also say Retral/FML are clean and clear. FML's daymarshal also backs up the idea that a dayframer probably exists.
ICE's ISO also looks pretty good, their response to Sir saying Android was lock town looked very townie. The only chance that read can possibly change is a hard guilty on ICE or Android flips scum.
Sadly that's it for the obvious townies that townslipped.
Other's I feel pretty good about being town are Cow for his contributions and acting like he cares about his win con at least; Paranoid feels pretty good as well due to my read on ICE and I question Cakez a bit.

Meaning this list:
Tarot
TrueGent
SirCakez
TheCow
IAmAMunchlax
ChubbyMooshroom9
notleyva
TheParanoidAndroid
TheWolfBuddy
Varanus
milte345
JammySplodge
ShortcutButton
WindBlqde
DesuSigi
mihail66

Retral/FML hydra is still in there though and they are pretty much lock town. Strikethroughs are also town reads, but not townslipps.
Should have around 4-5 scum in it. 4 assuming it's just a 5 player Mafia and no traitors or something. Basically a quarter of that list is scum.
I'm not quite sure which of those 16 is scum, but I've already presented my case on Wind being scum that everyone just brushed off 'cuz meta which still bugs me. Cakez also is cum mostly from his constant Paranoid push which I don't agree with at all and not really defending that point well, he also pushes Mel saying she's just lying about not knowing her role which is odd. The only problem is that Cakez has a not suspicious result from Elusive whom I trust which means either Cakez is just scummy for no reason, I'm dead wrong about Elusive, or he's an innocent mafia. The first may be the most likely case on him.

TFW someone mentions Miller in non bastard game... Disgusting!
(And you wrote cum instead of scum, one letter chamges everything I guess)

TheCow wrote:

TheCow wrote:k, i'm going to pretty much prove that Belle is a liar in a moment

If you guys are dumb enough to believe my light keeper claim, it stands to reason that you would also be pants-on-head retarded enough to believe Belle's claim.

Belle is prob underboss.

I didn't believe your lightkeeper claim, notice me senpai! Oh wait, I believe Ellusive's claim, how pity.

ShortcutButton wrote:If the answer is yes, then isn't the scumread merely anecdotal evidence and what-ifs?

The thing is I take these risks to benefit the town, me doing nothing would be much more of a detriment to the town than what I am doing right now.

I kinda agree but the risk you took lead to mass confusion in the thread and even to mass fakeclaims and stuff. And still it didn't do what it was supposed to do(out the PC)

TrueGent wrote:people need to stop being little bitches about scumreading the suicidal guy

If we lynch you will you be so kind to kill scum with your jester kill, thx.

WindBlqde wrote:Should I claim?

ElusiveBelle wrote:

TheCow wrote:

IAmAMunchlax wrote:@Cow you're telling us Elusive's claim is bullshit yet they mostly confirmed most of the abilities they said they had. Do you have actual proof that thye're scum, or is it just because you're fully doubting their claim?

They are claiming two players worth of abilities. The crier is anonymous. Belle does not have both kits.

You're right I don't, Ignis has the other like I've said. Similar to how the other hydras work. Who would have thunk it.
If you feel like bringing up an argument that isn't just badly made assumptions or jester like play by all means do so. This is just silly nonsense and should be treated as such.

ElusiveBelle wrote:Hey Cow, that role you know that has extra votes. Do you think it is town or scum aligned? Same goes for the one that gave Mel an extra vote.

ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:

mihail66 wrote:

TheCow wrote:Further, Belle is pretty much confirmed scum via flavour k e k

Exactly the opposite, game is not bastard so Ellusive's mod confirmed messages can't be lying=>Ellusive is town(or at least a multicop, I haven't heard of scum cop but k)

Hiphoplog wrote:Well there's all the reads I can manage to make right now. More people need to die.
Spoiler: OK, so let's just start with this Elusive/Mel - 1 of them are given scum so that's easy, there are as Cow pointed out likely at most 4 of Mafia.
Elusive's claim is pretty weak to be honest, and everyone saying it's too strong to be town doesn't make a ton of sense. It's a simple interrogator/flavor cop which is above average but not overpowered and the day abilities from Ignis are maybe the strongest part since it is a daycop and day PC. Assuming then that Edward's claim is true, which it is since he is fairly obvious town, then there is a very good chance there is a day framer probably a fulltime framer because of Moon's flip as well. There being a good chance of one also contributes to making the Relius/Ignis claim look better.
Then of course since I believe Elusive's claim then Mel is going to be scum unless she is somehow an unaware miller or the aforementioned dayframer framed her or Erravi which isn't really out of the realm of possibilities as both of them were already being voted up. I don't really think they were framed either because of Mel's personal claim being rather ambiguous and I don't think anyone would give Mel a doublevote ability for the day with a guilty on her.

EdwardENygma wrote:

ShortcutButton wrote:He's confirmed I guess

I know I'm flip flopping but this is where I'm at right now

Sure am glad they're confirmed and not that obvious role we agreed was a crier earlier, boy would that be awful.


Short-Elusive-Hip-Sir scumteam? Possible. Former two for sure, Cakez is scummy on his own, Hip is the weak link because he's terrible. I haven't forgotten Gent.

So I mentioned earlier that Edward is very likely town and this is a pretty good post to just outright prove that. While his reads lack a lot of effort put into them it's pretty clear he is town from the admission of his lack of effort. Scum really want to blend in with the town and nothing sticks out more like a sore thumb than saying a player is definite scum and saying they can't really link any connections to any other scum reads. Scum wouldn't be caught dead being that careless and blatantly not trying with their read. (Oh and now that town-tell is used up so no one else is getting town-told for being lazy. In fact be lazy and I will off your head.)

Various Town read section:
I'm going to go ahead and also say Retral/FML are clean and clear. FML's daymarshal also backs up the idea that a dayframer probably exists.
ICE's ISO also looks pretty good, their response to Sir saying Android was lock town looked very townie. The only chance that read can possibly change is a hard guilty on ICE or Android flips scum.
Sadly that's it for the obvious townies that townslipped.
Other's I feel pretty good about being town are Cow for his contributions and acting like he cares about his win con at least; Paranoid feels pretty good as well due to my read on ICE and I question Cakez a bit.

Meaning this list:
Tarot
TrueGent
SirCakez
TheCow
IAmAMunchlax
ChubbyMooshroom9
notleyva
TheParanoidAndroid
TheWolfBuddy
Varanus
milte345
JammySplodge
ShortcutButton
WindBlqde
DesuSigi
mihail66

Retral/FML hydra is still in there though and they are pretty much lock town. Strikethroughs are also town reads, but not townslipps.
Should have around 4-5 scum in it. 4 assuming it's just a 5 player Mafia and no traitors or something. Basically a quarter of that list is scum.
I'm not quite sure which of those 16 is scum, but I've already presented my case on Wind being scum that everyone just brushed off 'cuz meta which still bugs me. Cakez also is cum mostly from his constant Paranoid push which I don't agree with at all and not really defending that point well, he also pushes Mel saying she's just lying about not knowing her role which is odd. The only problem is that Cakez has a not suspicious result from Elusive whom I trust which means either Cakez is just scummy for no reason, I'm dead wrong about Elusive, or he's an innocent mafia. The first may be the most likely case on him.

TFW someone mentions Miller in non bastard game... Disgusting!
(And you wrote cum instead of scum, one letter chamges everything I guess)

TheCow wrote:

TheCow wrote:k, i'm going to pretty much prove that Belle is a liar in a moment

If you guys are dumb enough to believe my light keeper claim, it stands to reason that you would also be pants-on-head retarded enough to believe Belle's claim.

Belle is prob underboss.

I didn't believe your lightkeeper claim, notice me senpai! Oh wait, I believe Ellusive's claim, how pity.

ShortcutButton wrote:If the answer is yes, then isn't the scumread merely anecdotal evidence and what-ifs?

The thing is I take these risks to benefit the town, me doing nothing would be much more of a detriment to the town than what I am doing right now.

I kinda agree but the risk you took lead to mass confusion in the thread and even to mass fakeclaims and stuff. And still it didn't do what it was supposed to do(out the PC)

TrueGent wrote:people need to stop being little bitches about scumreading the suicidal guy

If we lynch you will you be so kind to kill scum with your jester kill, thx.

If one of Elusive/mihail flip scum I'm willing to believe the other will.

WindBlqde wrote:Should I claim?

y tho

ElusiveBelle wrote:

TheCow wrote:

IAmAMunchlax wrote:@Cow you're telling us Elusive's claim is bullshit yet they mostly confirmed most of the abilities they said they had. Do you have actual proof that thye're scum, or is it just because you're fully doubting their claim?

They are claiming two players worth of abilities. The crier is anonymous. Belle does not have both kits.

You're right I don't, Ignis has the other like I've said. Similar to how the other hydras work. Who would have thunk it.
If you feel like bringing up an argument that isn't just badly made assumptions or jester like play by all means do so. This is just silly nonsense and should be treated as such.

Why would you get to control both parts of the hydra? That's not hydra-y

Contemplating/will lynch Elusive.

ElusiveBelle wrote:Hey Cow, that role you know that has extra votes. Do you think it is town or scum aligned? Same goes for the one that gave Mel an extra vote.

Blatant dodging of subject and trying to be friendly to Cow. Don't like this. I only see scum motivation

I'm pretty sure Short is scum for trying to lynch leyva--there are plenty people whom did similar(albeit confirmed) but he wasn't pushing them for the same thing.

I'm now re-confident Elusive is scum after those last 3 pages

/vote Elusive