SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Minority Wins

[FMLSheWas12]

I don't think those win conditions are probable at all, nor are your abilities beneficial to your win condition. If you could claim your real RC that'd be nice.

Cow you're a lot better at this than me. @_@

[ElusiveBelle]

It is the truth, my Wincondition is to put simply, "you cannot win as you are unless you are the only remaining player with a vote."

[TheCow]

I don't give a shit what his wincon is, he just claimed neutral. In a game with Cow in it. What does he honestly expect to happen?

[ElusiveBelle]

Town to lose, they've already lost three members and more are to come. Pretty much handing it to the minority on a silver platter

[TheWolfBuddy]

/vote elusive

lmao

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

You're right when you say I'm not town because I'm not. However I'm not scum either. I'm about as neutral as it gets. My job is to maintain a balance between the majority and the minority. I need to make sure one side does not get the upper hand.

However you are wrong abut my information, it is all legitimate. All the checks are true but only because I need to be able to find out who is aligned where to help try and sway the game to maintain balance. Which is what I do through Ignis. If one side starts to lose too much I get put on their team and have to help them come back. Town has lost three members already and many of them do not count to voting as my role states that I can win as my role only if I am the only player alive with a vote and I doubt minority would have too many without votes. It's an assumption sure but I like to hang on the side of caution with these things at the best of times.

So TL;DR
I'm neutral with an objective to maintain balance on both sides. Should I fail this I get put on the current losers side to help them come back. My information is correct to help me maintain this balance and sway the game as needed. Ignis just announces my results for me and acts as a shield at night to whomever I wish. Like STAA they will regenerate if successful but they cannot be killed directly.

My theory is that scum has a hydra as well similar to myself and Erravi/STAA. One of the remaining hydras about is likely it and used to protect the minority faction. Lets face is, neither the majority nor the minority would get a role that uses the mod.

Why should we keep you alive? If town starts winning, you help scum and that's not beneficial to town. I see no reason to keep you alive.

[TheCow]

Yo
A lock town had identified Belle is being pushed by scum
And is asking my team and the other towns to vote elsewhere

What is this post?

[ElusiveBelle]

Since my results are legitimate, Mel is scum and I can not only protect particular targets like Cow at night while also finding out names and such to actually solve the game pretty easily.

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

Since my results are legitimate, Mel is scum and I can not only protect particular targets like Cow at night while also finding out names and such to actually solve the game pretty easily.

This was nowhere in your original claim -_-

[TheCow]

Ignis, as previously discussed, is likely a simple crier, and not any sort of cop.

[ElusiveBelle]

Only they're not, you don't have to believe it but it's true. You can try attacking me if you want.

If they were just a town crier they wouldn't be able to actually have a vote, it kind of proves my point for anyone that actually thinks

[TrueGent]

lynch the elusive

[melanora]

mela can you stop bullshitting us and tell us your power

Go fuck yourself I've literally already told you all every fucking thing in my Role Card.

Try counting to ten. Didn't you had a respect post thing on mind or something.

I told him to go fuck himself, not to go kill himself.

[melanora]

Since my results are legitimate, Mel is scum and I can not only protect particular targets like Cow at night while also finding out names and such to actually solve the game pretty easily.

At this point, I can't see how anyone would believe any bullshit coming out of you.

I'm Town, you're not Town. Time to die.

[FMLSheWas12]

FML what is Halk talking about?

I don't understand either to be honest.

Short & Tarot are next on my scumbutt list. I don't read Munch as town anymore, flipping my read on him. Chubby looks decently town.

[ChubbyMooshroom9]

Yo
A lock town had identified Belle is being pushed by scum
And is asking my team and the other towns to vote elsewhere

????

You saying why is he voting Elusive when he knows Cow/one of the Elusive pushers of yesteryear are scum?

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

The only reason I can see elusives claim not being legit is because Cakez cannot be fucking town lol

Hip,how can trust ellusive and scum read cakez at the same time?

Like ellusive ''cleared'' him at the first 24 hours

NEs and Godfathers show up as NS, so I wouldn't be surprised if roles existed that were anti-town while being NS. Mostly because I think Cakez is the jestiest jester to walk the face of the Earth, but also because there has to be some scum with powerful roles that might include aversion to detection to counter town.

By the way, who claimed citizen?

Look at how eager these two are to discredit me
I wonder why

Edward I'm not jesting.

/vote munch
SeemsGood

¿¿¿

In your wall back this morning, you said I was "intentionally jesting" which I'm not???

As I see, the "reaction test" was for two ensured mislynches. Retral caught Elusive though; making D3 a bussing game. Short lives another day and cakez is circumstantially cleared.

Alternatively, Cakez is town and they were going to off him eventually. But then this post makes no sense.

That post is called giving up hope that the town will pull their heads out of their asses and lynch Elusive
But they did! kind of, mel is still the top wagon

@Hip - I think mel is town? I'm not pushing her.

also
lol

:NotLikeThis

This is a very apathetic way of protecting one of your townreads. You barely even tried.
Why vote Munch?

I've kinda given up on mel surviving the lynch tbh
Because I've had a scumread on him the whole game

And the out-of-nowhere leyva wagon is terrible, it's just a lurker wagon rather then someone actually scummy. Shortcut's case on him is irrelevant since Shortcut is scum.

OH LOOK I WAS RIGHT ABOUT ELUSIVE FEELSGOODMAN
That win condition sounds made up as fuck.

/vote belle

[ShortcutButton]

I've been accused as pocketing by pointing out other people's questions so Caligula me out on it is at best gross ignorance.

Also you forgot I was high as shit when I made it

[ShortcutButton]

ur terrible >:(

also you can be scum again >:)

[TheWolfBuddy]

this game

[TheCow]

Re: leyva wagon

I wanted to vote him sooner, but I've been very busy. No time to actually catch up.

Now I am here, though. Elusive's role was ridiculous, but I didn't have time to actually scrutinize it. It just seemed far too powerful.

Catching up

[JazzMusicStops]

So you think Cow CCed for basically the luls? Why.

Read SFM7

[JazzMusicStops]

It is the truth, my Wincondition is to put simply, "you cannot win as you are unless you are the only remaining player with a vote."

Sounds kinda NK-y to me

[JazzMusicStops]

PC was a lie all along

Who would've guessed? (Definately not me kappa)

What is the VC?

Judging by the number of hydras there might be I'd say hammer has probably fallen already

[mihail66]

Why dont we wagon confirmed scum Belle?

Because he isn't confirmed scum?

There is """no case""" against Leyva. Why, then, are we voting him over Belle?

Because there is a case, no matter how bad it is, it is a case.
Spoiler:

If you read the thread, you'd know that I acknowledge your ability to jail at night. that is a skill you have.

It is your day ability that does not exist.

Lets go over it for a second.

Quick Mobile message about Ignis and I

What I can do
Day action, select player to jail.

Night action: Talk to target for first half the night, receive their role name upon release. Side note: I can possibly "conduct further experiments" on them upon release but have not been told what this means. My assumption is an upgrade of sorts? I was told I could not do so on FML. Or that they are inapplicable.

What Ignis can do:
Be instructed to "scan" players
PC checks, Sheriff Check, or Role check (similar to my own ability here). Cannot use again until they use the others and naturally once per day.
I can instruct them who to target but I do not receive the information myself. It will be announced to all.

Side ability: Acts as a vote in my stead, we can both vote but I decide which vote counts in the end. This is how Erravi and STAA operated as well I presume, and how FML, Ret, and their third would act if I had to guess. My assumption is that this is like a Jester blocker for me, or Phantom/Shade, as otherwise it would not be needed. So neutrals are likely in play.

It all sounds strong but it's not as much as you would think. I don't get specifics myself and all of Ignis's results are public.

What Ignis can do:
Be instructed to "scan" players
PC checks, Sheriff Check, or Role check (similar to my own ability here). Cannot use again until they use the others and naturally once per day.
I can instruct them who to target but I do not receive the information myself. It will be announced to all.

Anonymous Infinite shot Oracle of All Trades. All three of those attributes are insanely powerful.

Anonymous means you can post your results in the thread without outing yourself.

Oracle means you can confirm players as Town or Scum beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Modular means higher flexibility.



Met would never create this role.

Belle is obviously lying.

What is the problem with having an Overpowered town if you have Overpowered scum too? Also, I would be pretty fucking surprised if a scum is so stupid to claim OP role, why do this when you can stay in the shadows and continue using Ignis to cause confusion by parity checks? Nobody will suspect that an OP role exists and you can stay as a jailor claim with no problem. I just don't see a scum thinking "Lol I am gonna claim Town OverPower and they are going to install me as a town shepherd".

Another point is this: why would TOWN need an anonymous vote? In what situation? That ability is only useful to scum.

A good point can't argue with this.

You're right when you say I'm not town because I'm not. However I'm not scum either. I'm about as neutral as it gets. My job is to maintain a balance between the majority and the minority. I need to make sure one side does not get the upper hand.

However you are wrong abut my information, it is all legitimate. All the checks are true but only because I need to be able to find out who is aligned where to help try and sway the game to maintain balance. Which is what I do through Ignis. If one side starts to lose too much I get put on their team and have to help them come back. Town has lost three members already and many of them do not count to voting as my role states that I can win as my role only if I am the only player alive with a vote and I doubt minority would have too many without votes. It's an assumption sure but I like to hang on the side of caution with these things at the best of times.

So TL;DR
I'm neutral with an objective to maintain balance on both sides. Should I fail this I get put on the current losers side to help them come back. My information is correct to help me maintain this balance and sway the game as needed. Ignis just announces my results for me and acts as a shield at night to whomever I wish. Like STAA they will regenerate if successful but they cannot be killed directly.

My theory is that scum has a hydra as well similar to myself and Erravi/STAA. One of the remaining hydras about is likely it and used to protect the minority faction. Lets face is, neither the majority nor the minority would get a role that uses the mod.

That does it, I am going to wagon this. Really it just started looking as desparate scum more than moon in VFM 4.

It is the truth, my Wincondition is to put simply, "you cannot win as you are unless you are the only remaining player with a vote."

Can someone think of harder wincon? Sounds like a too much pain in the ass to complete, like better try winning as NK.

Spoiler:

The only reason I can see elusives claim not being legit is because Cakez cannot be fucking town lol

Hip,how can trust ellusive and scum read cakez at the same time?

Like ellusive ''cleared'' him at the first 24 hours

NEs and Godfathers show up as NS, so I wouldn't be surprised if roles existed that were anti-town while being NS. Mostly because I think Cakez is the jestiest jester to walk the face of the Earth, but also because there has to be some scum with powerful roles that might include aversion to detection to counter town.

By the way, who claimed citizen?

Look at how eager these two are to discredit me
I wonder why

Edward I'm not jesting.

/vote munch
SeemsGood

¿¿¿

In your wall back this morning, you said I was "intentionally jesting" which I'm not???

As I see, the "reaction test" was for two ensured mislynches. Retral caught Elusive though; making D3 a bussing game. Short lives another day and cakez is circumstantially cleared.

Alternatively, Cakez is town and they were going to off him eventually. But then this post makes no sense.

That post is called giving up hope that the town will pull their heads out of their asses and lynch Elusive
But they did! kind of, mel is still the top wagon

@Hip - I think mel is town? I'm not pushing her.

also
lol

:NotLikeThis

This is a very apathetic way of protecting one of your townreads. You barely even tried.
Why vote Munch?

I've kinda given up on mel surviving the lynch tbh
Because I've had a scumread on him the whole game

And the out-of-nowhere leyva wagon is terrible, it's just a lurker wagon rather then someone actually scummy. Shortcut's case on him is irrelevant since Shortcut is scum.

OH LOOK I WAS RIGHT ABOUT ELUSIVE FEELSGOODMAN
That win condition sounds made up as fuck.

/vote belle

Didn't seem like this when you said: "It will be fun to be confirmed town for the rest of the game". Maybe you should start building a defence if Belle's checks turn out to be all a lie.

/request VC so I don't accidentally hammer Ellusive.