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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby IAmAMunchlax » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:11 am

As much as Sir looks scummy to me, early game not really posting hard reads and just listing out his scum list with no explanation and his random posts, I feel like that is Town behaviour from him.

I also agree with Sir here actually, I'm feeling off about Short's "I was high" post, I don't think that should be an excuse for his actions.

@Paranoid; What about someone without abilities but a single passive? Would that still be something else or a cit to you (and the others)?
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby TheParanoidAndroid » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:14 am

That would not be a citizen, that would be a majority-aligned member with a single passive.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby IAmAMunchlax » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:20 am

Is "passive" and "role-modifier" the same thing? I actually don't know
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby TheCow » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:31 am

i have cakez as town

sb is p much confirmed scum though
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby mihail66 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:28 am

Tarot wrote:I'm pretty concerned that there's 3 protectives dead actually

Mihail, is it a neighbourhood or something else?

#NotInHydra
TheParanoidAndroid wrote:That would not be a citizen, that would be a majority-aligned member with a single passive.

I still think that if you can only talk to people you are a citizen. You don't
control/investigate/kill/whateverthefuck anyone, you just talk. By definition it is not a Vanilla Townie, but it's abilities are too close to be called anything else.
SirCakez wrote:/vote shortcut

Mihail is very scummy but his claim and attitude feels genuine.
Meanwhile we have Shortcut claiming he was high when he did a shit push

Pretty obvious where my vote is going

Let me translate: I have no fucking idea what this guy is, better vote for the guy who has done something to help scum.
milte345 wrote:I'm willing to bet there's a reason Met calls them majority and minority, the characters behind the flavor names are probably part of one or the other for reasons besides being an a villian or a good guy.

Isn't this the most logical thing? I mean who hasn't thought of that already?
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@Mihael Explain what part of Mel's posts make you think she's scum.

P-edit: Cow I swear to god.

What about you read the thread or at least my ISO? Anyways, first we have copchecks by a neutral role which may or may not be true and then we have the victorious melanora, happy she wasn't lynched and no cop checks were confirmed true, trying to "get this show on the road" and telling hydras to not claim, despite the fact that they count as 1 vote and we must know majority.(damn hammers)
I want to believe the copchecks or at least the Cakez one. He didn't try to redirect the check, he said that it will be fun to be confirmed town for the rest of the game and when Belle checked he was town(or neutral). Because no way scum knows Ellusive's full rolecard I am certain that the Cakez check was true and therefore the previous one was most likely also true.
(Except if scum has anti-cop ability or Cakez got a pretty damn good bluffing game...)
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:02 am

mihail66 wrote:
Tarot wrote:I'm pretty concerned that there's 3 protectives dead actually

Mihail, is it a neighbourhood or something else?

#NotInHydra
TheParanoidAndroid wrote:That would not be a citizen, that would be a majority-aligned member with a single passive.

I still think that if you can only talk to people you are a citizen. You don't
control/investigate/kill/whateverthefuck anyone, you just talk. By definition it is not a Vanilla Townie, but it's abilities are too close to be called anything else.
SirCakez wrote:/vote shortcut

Mihail is very scummy but his claim and attitude feels genuine.
Meanwhile we have Shortcut claiming he was high when he did a shit push

Pretty obvious where my vote is going

Let me translate: I have no fucking idea what this guy is, better vote for the guy who has done something to help scum.
milte345 wrote:I'm willing to bet there's a reason Met calls them majority and minority, the characters behind the flavor names are probably part of one or the other for reasons besides being an a villian or a good guy.

Isn't this the most logical thing? I mean who hasn't thought of that already?
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/vote mihail
/vote mihail


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@Mihael Explain what part of Mel's posts make you think she's scum.

P-edit: Cow I swear to god.

What about you read the thread or at least my ISO? Anyways, first we have copchecks by a neutral role which may or may not be true and then we have the victorious melanora, happy she wasn't lynched and no cop checks were confirmed true, trying to "get this show on the road" and telling hydras to not claim, despite the fact that they count as 1 vote and we must know majority.(damn hammers)
I want to believe the copchecks or at least the Cakez one. He didn't try to redirect the check, he said that it will be fun to be confirmed town for the rest of the game and when Belle checked he was town(or neutral). Because no way scum knows Ellusive's full rolecard I am certain that the Cakez check was true and therefore the previous one was most likely also true.
(Except if scum has anti-cop ability or Cakez got a pretty damn good bluffing game...)

Mihail the cop was confirmed false, and you still believe it. Why?

Also sb is definitely scum in cakes and sb. I'd say sir is town
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby Metrion » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:11 am

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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby ShortcutButton » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:13 am

Oh so that's what a townie is
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby IAmAMunchlax » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:19 am

Report Metrion for posting after death.

@Chubby, why tho?
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:23 am

IAmAMunchlax wrote:Report Metrion for posting after death.

@Chubby, why tho?

cakez reaction to being confirmed mainly, don't feel like a minority would act like that
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby Hiphoplog » Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:49 am

Yeah any modifier considers the role non citizen.
Yeah there still the "Town Citizen" roles like 1-shot roles like Nurse and Dancer, as well as Neighbors, but Metrion only said no Citizens, not no Town Citizens.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby SirCakez » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:02 am

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:
IAmAMunchlax wrote:What would you guys define as a cit?

Vanilla townie with no abilities, active or otherwise. I believe a rendition of this is what Metrion promised.

Thoughts on Shortcut and SirCakez, by the way? I dislike their general oppositional attitude and could see a TvS, but not sure who is town and who is scum.

You were hard scumreading me earlier, what changed?
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby SirCakez » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:03 am

I'm assuming you're disregarding the day cop check with how sketchy Elusive was @Android. Which is fine but if that's the case, your read switch there is really bizarre.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby milte345 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:05 am

mihail66 wrote:
milte345 wrote:I'm willing to bet there's a reason Met calls them majority and minority, the characters behind the flavor names are probably part of one or the other for reasons besides being an a villian or a good guy.

Isn't this the most logical thing? I mean who hasn't thought of that already?

Man I don't know what everyone's thinking, fmpov it looked like most people accepted villian=neutral/minority
Maybe it'd be nice to stop thinking...
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby mihail66 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:25 am

Metrion wrote:http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Townie

I have already read it, thanks.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby mihail66 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:35 am

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mihail66 wrote:
Tarot wrote:I'm pretty concerned that there's 3 protectives dead actually

Mihail, is it a neighbourhood or something else?

#NotInHydra
TheParanoidAndroid wrote:That would not be a citizen, that would be a majority-aligned member with a single passive.

I still think that if you can only talk to people you are a citizen. You don't
control/investigate/kill/whateverthefuck anyone, you just talk. By definition it is not a Vanilla Townie, but it's abilities are too close to be called anything else.
SirCakez wrote:/vote shortcut

Mihail is very scummy but his claim and attitude feels genuine.
Meanwhile we have Shortcut claiming he was high when he did a shit push

Pretty obvious where my vote is going

Let me translate: I have no fucking idea what this guy is, better vote for the guy who has done something to help scum.
milte345 wrote:I'm willing to bet there's a reason Met calls them majority and minority, the characters behind the flavor names are probably part of one or the other for reasons besides being an a villian or a good guy.

Isn't this the most logical thing? I mean who hasn't thought of that already?
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TheCow wrote:/vote mihail
/vote mihail
/vote mihail


Pasting the same vote multiple times does not give you extra votes.

@Mihael Explain what part of Mel's posts make you think she's scum.

P-edit: Cow I swear to god.

What about you read the thread or at least my ISO? Anyways, first we have copchecks by a neutral role which may or may not be true and then we have the victorious melanora, happy she wasn't lynched and no cop checks were confirmed true, trying to "get this show on the road" and telling hydras to not claim, despite the fact that they count as 1 vote and we must know majority.(damn hammers)
I want to believe the copchecks or at least the Cakez one. He didn't try to redirect the check, he said that it will be fun to be confirmed town for the rest of the game and when Belle checked he was town(or neutral). Because no way scum knows Ellusive's full rolecard I am certain that the Cakez check was true and therefore the previous one was most likely also true.
(Except if scum has anti-cop ability or Cakez got a pretty damn good bluffing game...)

Mihail the cop was confirmed false, and you still believe it. Why?

Also sb is definitely scum in cakes and sb. I'd say sir is town

Confirmed false? The fact that Ellusive was neutral doesn't confirm that the checks were false. In fact, Belle's win condition may be greatly favoured by a true cop checks in late game if scum is near to reaching majority Belle may check the main lynch target to prevent/ensure the lynch. It may as well be the opposite, fake cop checks to thin town's numbers. I believe that the first is more likely to be true, because Ellusive revealed, a.k.a. knew that Mel will flip scum and free towncred.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby IAmAMunchlax » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:05 am

Dude there were no checks?
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby mihail66 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:11 am

IAmAMunchlax wrote:Dude there were no checks?

It's not in the rolecard but it's posted by a moderator in the thread, so either a neutral crier or a legit cop.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby JazzMusicStops » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:14 am

mihail66 wrote:
IAmAMunchlax wrote:Dude there were no checks?

It's not in the rolecard but it's posted by a moderator in the thread, so either a neutral crier or a legit cop.

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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby IAmAMunchlax » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:34 am

mihail66 wrote:
IAmAMunchlax wrote:Dude there were no checks?

It's not in the rolecard but it's posted by a moderator in the thread, so either a neutral crier or a legit cop.

I'm assuming you didn't pay proper attention to the post from the mod where they said that only orange posts were mod posts.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby melanora » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:48 am

Hiphoplog wrote:I don't really get why you would only be a Citizen though and Wind is a roleblocker/facilitator.


No, he's a dirty liar. There is no Citizen.
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby melanora » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:50 am

mihail66 wrote:
TheParanoidAndroid wrote:

Translated: Mel is scum.


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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby melanora » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:51 am

Hiphoplog wrote:Well, I guess it doesn't count as Citizen.


or MAYBE he's fucking LYING
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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby melanora » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:53 am

now that i'm all caught up, I can freely do this

/vote mihail

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Re: SFM24 | Chrono Fiction | Day 3 (Bad Touch)

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:00 am

mihail66 wrote: Spoiler:
ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:
mihail66 wrote:
Tarot wrote:I'm pretty concerned that there's 3 protectives dead actually

Mihail, is it a neighbourhood or something else?

#NotInHydra
TheParanoidAndroid wrote:That would not be a citizen, that would be a majority-aligned member with a single passive.

I still think that if you can only talk to people you are a citizen. You don't
control/investigate/kill/whateverthefuck anyone, you just talk. By definition it is not a Vanilla Townie, but it's abilities are too close to be called anything else.
SirCakez wrote:/vote shortcut

Mihail is very scummy but his claim and attitude feels genuine.
Meanwhile we have Shortcut claiming he was high when he did a shit push

Pretty obvious where my vote is going

Let me translate: I have no fucking idea what this guy is, better vote for the guy who has done something to help scum.
milte345 wrote:I'm willing to bet there's a reason Met calls them majority and minority, the characters behind the flavor names are probably part of one or the other for reasons besides being an a villian or a good guy.

Isn't this the most logical thing? I mean who hasn't thought of that already?
TheParanoidAndroid wrote:
TheCow wrote:/vote mihail
/vote mihail
/vote mihail


Pasting the same vote multiple times does not give you extra votes.

@Mihael Explain what part of Mel's posts make you think she's scum.

P-edit: Cow I swear to god.

What about you read the thread or at least my ISO? Anyways, first we have copchecks by a neutral role which may or may not be true and then we have the victorious melanora, happy she wasn't lynched and no cop checks were confirmed true, trying to "get this show on the road" and telling hydras to not claim, despite the fact that they count as 1 vote and we must know majority.(damn hammers)
I want to believe the copchecks or at least the Cakez one. He didn't try to redirect the check, he said that it will be fun to be confirmed town for the rest of the game and when Belle checked he was town(or neutral). Because no way scum knows Ellusive's full rolecard I am certain that the Cakez check was true and therefore the previous one was most likely also true.
(Except if scum has anti-cop ability or Cakez got a pretty damn good bluffing game...)

Mihail the cop was confirmed false, and you still believe it. Why?

Also sb is definitely scum in cakes and sb. I'd say sir is town

Confirmed false? The fact that Ellusive was neutral doesn't confirm that the checks were false. In fact, Belle's win condition may be greatly favoured by a true cop checks in late game if scum is near to reaching majority Belle may check the main lynch target to prevent/ensure the lynch. It may as well be the opposite, fake cop checks to thin town's numbers. I believe that the first is more likely to be true, because Ellusive revealed, a.k.a. knew that Mel will flip scum and free towncred.

I shouldn't be speaking, but read the day end post
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