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[Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Town Wins | Jacko is ALWAYS scum

Postby melanora » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:09 am

Newcomer Forum Mafia


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  1. Be respectful. Should be self-explanatory. No tolerance against racial/homophobic/sexist remarks. If you feel this rule isn't being followed, PM me.
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Invest Results
Spoiler: Citizen/Framer
Investigator/Marshal/Consigliere
Escort/Bodyguard/Consort/Arsonist
Lookout/Vigilante/Blackmailer
Medium/Doctor/Mafioso/Janitor
Veteran/Sheriff/Agent


Sheriff Results:
Spoiler: Your target is Not Suspicious.
Your target is a member of the Mafia!


Unique roles
Spoiler: Vigilante and Veteran can only roll once total.
Citizen can only roll once as Random Town.
Mafioso can only roll once.


Role Pairings
Spoiler: Town Investigative (Investigator/Lookout/Sheriff)
Town Protective (Marshal/Bodyguard/Doctor)
Town Support (Escort/Medium)
Town Killing (Vigilante/Veteran)

Mafia Tactical (Mafioso/Blackmailer)
Mafia Support (Consort/Consigliere/Agent)
Mafia Deception (Janitor/Framer)

Neutral Killing (Arsonist)


Vigilante Rolecard change
Spoiler: Vigilante

You are a Vigilante.

Your alignment is Town Killing.

You believe that the law of this town is useless against the evil-doers in your town and have decided to take matters into your own hands.

Each night you may decide to shoot and kill one town member you believe to be evil.
However, if the person you shoot turns out to be Town, you will be overcome with grief and vow never to shoot again.
You only have 2 bullets, allowing you to perform your night action up to 2 times. Make them count.
You may shoot on the first night.

You win with the Town
You must kill the Mafia
You must kill Arsonists
You may spare anyone else


Veteran Rolecard Change

Spoiler: Veteran

You are a Veteran.

Your alignment is Town Killing.

You're a war-hardened soldier who is living out his retirement in the small and calm town of Salem.
But your retirement is short-lived, as people begin dying when the Mafia comes to town.
Luckily you still have your gun with you and you can use it to go on alert, killing anyone who comes to your house that night.

Going on alert makes you kill anybody who comes to your house that night, both evil and good, so use this power carefully or you will do more harm than good.
This can also kill people who are normally night immune, like the Godfather, Serial Killer, and Arsonist.
You are immune to attacks, douses, stalking, and any other harmful night actions while on alert.
You can go on alert only 2 times throughout the game.
You are immune to being roleblocked.

You win with the Town
You must kill the Mafia
You must kill Arsonists
You may spare anyone else
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Set Up Phase

Postby melanora » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:10 am

Rolelist:
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Mafia Tactical
Mafia Support
Random Mafia


Arsonist



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1. chitownmvp01 Schultz128
4. eeelneekey
6. dorminion297
9. NoodleLick
13. JackoDerp Harkonnen97 ObiWan
14. Varanus

Graveyard
Babynora’s Dirty Diapers
5. Asew54321 - Lynched D2 - Mafioso
7. AlwaysNever - Killed N2 by Mafia - Lookout
2. numberFTW - Lynched D3 - Citizen
12. mihail66 - Lynched D4 - Consigliere
10. lucky333123 - Killed N4 - Escort
8. TheForgot3n1 - Lynched D5 - Consort
11. RajolAttates - Killed N5 - Citizen
3. Ralozey - Killed N5 - Bodyguard

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Day Two Begins
Day Three Begins
Day Four Begins
Day Five Begins

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Set Up Phase

Postby melanora » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:16 am

Introduction and mechanics.

First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia), with, most of the time, a third-party (neutrals) trying to fulfill their own goals along the way. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-foward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team, and all neutrals with a night killing ability (Neutral Killings). While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • The former is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. The days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role and last will (if they have one) being shown to public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it (unless jailed). **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

**There are no whispers present in this game.
**There are no last wills or death notes in this game.
**Jailor may not role in this set-up


The game will only end once one of the major factions (or a NK) fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending me the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
"NFM Night Action" for Night Actions.

Mafia Killing Revamp is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.

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Terminology.

General terms:

Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors.
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Last Will: A personal "diary", per see, in which the player may choose to write whatever they consider relevant. Automatically revealed upon death.

Slightly more uncommon terms:

FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.
IC - Inexperienced Challenged. A term used to describe the experienced players who sign up for NFMs as representatives.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

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Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to progress discussion in a fashion which will be benefitial to the town, try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post reads regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

Playing as Neutral

Witch is the only neutral available to roll. Their goal and play style is a mix between that of the Town and Mafia. They want to be actively hunting scum and trying to figure out who they win with and who they don't, applying one of the best night actions in the game accordingly; either to get into contact or to severely hinder. However they do not want to be getting scum lynched themselves, so they also have to play similar to the Mafia in the regard that they do want the town to be successful. Above all they need to look out for number 1; themselves.


Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

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For anything else, feel free to ask me in a PM, or in the thread, or take a look at the FM Main Hub.

Note: Thank you to ObiWan for this guide.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Set Up Phase

Postby melanora » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:19 am

This game will feature something a little new and different.

In the past, NFM had first ICs, or experienced players chosen to help guide Newcomers, and then non-newbies, who were players with a little more experience to help the game feel more authentic. This game will feature less players as a whole, with two players specifically chosen with a little more experience, so that the environment feels less hostile, and more learning.

In this game, the moderator will also be very much involved. If you have a question of any sort, simply start your post with @Moderator or @Melanora, and I will happily answer. If you would prefer to keep your question private, send it to me via PM. This has always been open in NFMs in the past, however, this game I will be much more involved, posting frequently about next steps to take, and options before you.

As always, remember that this is to have fun.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Confirmation Phase

Postby melanora » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:27 pm

All rolecards have been sent out. Apologies that took so long. Once everyone has confirmed their spot, the game will begin.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby melanora » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:06 pm

It's Halloween in the Town of Salem neighborhood, and that means every house is decorated, porches are covered in pumpkins, and children are running wild in costumes, high off of giant candy bars and life. Everyone is having fun, even Babynora, who is dressed as Minnie Mouse and thinks that this is the best thing ever. Mumanora is there, watching the neighbrhood with a motherly eye, making certain that no one runs into the streets, and that everyone is still smiling. It takes until Babynora remembers her dirty diaper, and cries, for Mumanora to slip inside, promising the neighborhood children that she will be right back.

As always, without someone keeping watch, something happens. Something bad. There's a bang, a swish, a clash, and as Mumanora returns with a very happy baby on her hip, she sees the body, left in the middle of the street, dead without a mark on them.

She screams, baby screams, and no one gets any ice cream.

Who killed the child dressed as Peter Rabbit? And who is it behind the mask? And will Mumanora manage to get baby to bed in time?

Who knows. But, you guys better figure it out.

Or else.



Day One Begins. You have 120 Hours.
Day One will end Tuesday November 1st at 8:00 PM EST.



Reminders:
There is a Day One Lynch.
Mafia does have Day Chat.
There is no Last Wills, Whispers, or Death Notes.
If you have a specific question about your role, send me a PM.
If you have a specific question about a mechanic in the game, you may ask in the thread, or send me a PM.
As always, you can normally find a game mod in the discord chat.

Have fun, and good luck!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby melanora » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:10 pm

Hey guys! At the start of each little "phase", I'm going to be posting a little bit of information, broken away from the giant walls above, so that you can all know what's going on.

To start, you did all receive a message that day has begun. This will only happen on Day One, as every day start after this will have your night results, which I'll talk about later.

The post above is the start of Day post. This will have flavor that DOES NOT at all reflect to what occurs in the game. It's simply fun. You'll also see when day ends, and other important information.

The start to Day One is typically filled with RVS, aka Random Vote Stage. People will make jokes, there will be often votes for the mod or players not even in the game, and normally someone will point out how the mod messed up this time.

This is a GREAT TIME to ask questions. If you have any questions, please just type
@Moderator or @Melanora, bolded, and then ask your question. You can also send me a PM.

All of the answers to your questions are likely in the walls posted above, but I know they can be overwhelming. Please, just ask.

There are two players playing that are more experienced members. They are not here to hold your hand, but they are also not here to manipulate you. They are here to make certain that the game runs just like a normal FM game on this forum would go.

After a few posts each, RVS will end for whatever reason, because people want clarification or time has passed, and then conversation will begin. Do not be afraid to offer opinions. The worst thing you can do is be quiet. This is not ToS where you can quietly lurk - I will prod you, and people will wonder why you are silent.

And as always, have fun!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby Asew54321 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:12 pm

*tpying this so fast to get first*

Hey guys third game of NFM I see a lot of familiar faces and new ones at that I wish you all godod luck and have fun

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby Varanus » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:13 pm

All aboard!

Don't think Mela mentioned it, so I'll say it.
Please, for the love of all you hold dear, remember to bold your votes.
Like so.

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby Schultz128 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:18 pm

Varanus wrote:All aboard!

Don't think Mela mentioned it, so I'll say it.
Please, for the love of all you hold dear, remember to bold your votes.
Like so.

/vote ObiWan
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby Asew54321 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:22 pm

In all seriousness (or at least more than the last post), hello there peoples! Some of you know me from other FMs, but then there are those NERDS! wonderful people that I've never seen before.

This is my third game of Forum Mafia and the last one I have until I'm not considered a newbie in this. That sucks. I'm still a noob.

Once again, against the RVS. But that's just me.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby eeelneekey » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:32 pm

Hey guys!

This is my third NFM game, and I think I've played with about half of you before, but every single one of my games has had a different role list, so this should be exciting :)

I know it's best tactics for town not to claim witched until late game, but what are opinions on claiming doused? The only way I can see it being a negative to town is if the arso is RBd and claims doused that same day.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby Asew54321 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:52 pm

I don't think there is any reason to claim doused... I'm trying to think of reasons for and against it, but it's really hard for some reason... The only con I have is what eeelneekey said, and the pros I have are being hopeful that someone is stupid. I don't think many people would claim doused if they weren't doused as that's an obvious scumslip. We knoooooow better.

But seriously, I don't really see why we should claim doused.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby Varanus » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:11 pm

No witch this game, so that's not a problem.

I would say it's better policy to not claim doused. Even if there is an escort, it would still be impossible to tell the difference between the Arso being RB'd, and a mafia just not claiming doused.
Just don't claim it, and hope mafia kill you after you're doused.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby ObiWan » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:28 pm

Hey all

I will play this game how I play any other game. I won't baby you, but if you guys have questions you're always welcome to ask.

@Asew Claiming doused could eliminate you as a suspect of being Arsonist, but, the Arsonist could still claimed doused I suppose.
But, if they did, they'd be screwed once they ignited. So, it would really only be beneficial in end-game.
Not claiming doused has more benefits for town, in my opinion, so we should stick with that.

I don't have a lot of time tonight to post more.
I will post more tomorrow night after work.

Have fun

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby eeelneekey » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:35 pm

Varanus wrote:No witch this game, so that's not a problem.

I would say it's better policy to not claim doused. Even if there is an escort, it would still be impossible to tell the difference between the Arso being RB'd, and a mafia just not claiming doused.
Just don't claim it, and hope mafia kill you after you're doused.

I don't see why the Mafia wouldn't claim doused though, unlike with a witch they've got as much reason as Town to want to get rid of the arso. Similarly, whether it's a Consort or Escort that RBs the arso, either one would surely speak up and call out an RBd arso who's claiming doused.

Knowing who the arso's target is could be useful info for town trying to work out who they are, but then it doesn't give the Town that much info, so I'm kind of ambivalent which way we choose to go (though I lean towards claiming). I'd want everyone to agree on the same policy though, to avoid the arso working around it.

(My reference to the witch was as a comparison to my old games with different rolelists, and the fact I've not played FM with an arso/without a witch before so the tactics are new to me. I'm aware what's in the game and what's not.)
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby eeelneekey » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:36 pm

@Mod, can TK roll in RT? I've seen different rules in different games :P
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby melanora » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:49 pm

eeelneekey wrote:@Mod, can TK roll in RT? I've seen different rules in different games :P


In this setup, yes. However, only one RT can be TK. So consider TK to be unique.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby dorminion297 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:20 pm

Hello everyone! Sorry I am so late, but anyways just wanted to say this is my first game so I hope it's a good one. Good Luck!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby mihail66 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:48 pm

Hello everyone, I wish you a nice burning day and good game.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby NoodleLick » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:43 pm

This is my third NFM game, and the NFM number is 33. *ba dum tss*

Glad to be testing the new setup.

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Favourite Roles: Jailor, Spy, Lookout, Vampire Hunter, Forger, Consigliere, Witch and Jester
Hated Roles: Veteran, Mayor, Escort, Retributionist, Mafioso, Disguiser, Vampire and Serial Killer

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NFM32: Lookout|Dead|Win
NFM33: Marshal|Alive|Win
NFM34: Doesn't Exist

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby mihail66 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:23 pm

NoodleLick wrote:This is my third NFM game, and the NFM number is 33. *ba dum tss*

Glad to be testing the new setup.

I claim spooky skeleton.

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby FrontSurpriser » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:11 am

Hey heyy. May be a good game.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby lucky333123 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:20 am

Hello everyone!

This is my second FM game, but I'm still trying to learn and figure out the ropes.

I see some familiar faces and new faces, so nice to meet everyone!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM33 | Day One | who killed peter rabbit?

Postby lucky333123 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:21 am

@Melanora

I am curious why Random Voting is the norm on Day 1? Isn't it usually bad to random vote someone especially when we have no information, etc.?
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