[Newcomer FM] NFM32 | Game Over [Town Wins!]

[Cenvil]

Slept peacufully.

First a little surprised to seeing Vannish as mafia.

Also dang it Dama, if you had just claimed when you made your defense, we could have possibly had enough time to switch wagons.
/vote BlazinIce

Dama wouldn't help the town. They wouldn't contribute much to disscusion anyway.
/vote damafaud

This was scummy. I had said previously that I would be on to hammer and not to hammer early. You did so with terrible reasoning. How could Dama have contributed to the conversation when they weren't even online at the time? Also, you killed any discussion that was going on, as evident by the talking in twilight, there was still discussion going on. If Dama had acted town in any way, you would have been my top lynch, and your behavior yesterday just confirmed suspicions.

Yes,his reasons are lacking, and voted earlier than accepted.
But I think he is not the scummiest after Wolf's act yesterday.

[Cenvil]

I meant MichaelgRook.
Sry Wolf was not wanted accusing you

[SamuelJackson1972]

Also dang it Dama, if you had just claimed when you made your defense, we could have possibly had enough time to switch wagons.

/vote BlazinIce

Dama wouldn't help the town. They wouldn't contribute much to disscusion anyway.
/vote damafaud

This was scummy. I had said previously that I would be on to hammer and not to hammer early. You did so with terrible reasoning. How could Dama have contributed to the conversation when they weren't even online at the time? Also, you killed any discussion that was going on, as evident by the talking in twilight, there was still discussion going on. If Dama had acted town in any way, you would have been my top lynch, and your behavior yesterday just confirmed suspicions.

I agree that blazinIce and their slot was scummy, especially Razoley's read list and the post you mentioned, but let's wait for everyone to post their night results before jumping the gun here.

[Forg]

I meant MichaelgRook.
Sry Wolf was not wanted accusing you

You mean the way he edited his reads after being questioned? Or what? And I don't see him as being scummier than Blazin, but that's me.

Also dang it Dama, if you had just claimed when you made your defense, we could have possibly had enough time to switch wagons.

/vote BlazinIce

Dama wouldn't help the town. They wouldn't contribute much to disscusion anyway.
/vote damafaud

This was scummy. I had said previously that I would be on to hammer and not to hammer early. You did so with terrible reasoning. How could Dama have contributed to the conversation when they weren't even online at the time? Also, you killed any discussion that was going on, as evident by the talking in twilight, there was still discussion going on. If Dama had acted town in any way, you would have been my top lynch, and your behavior yesterday just confirmed suspicions.

I agree that blazinIce and their slot was scummy, especially Razoley's read list and the post you mentioned, but let's wait for everyone to post their night results before jumping the gun here.

You don't have to put down a vote bc I did. 1 vote isn't the end of the world, especially since literally no one is on.

[Cenvil]

I meant MichaelgRook.
Sry Wolf was not wanted accusing you

You mean the way he edited his reads after being questioned? Or what? And I don't see him as being scummier than Blazin, but that's me.

I meant that, yes. He might be newbie, but so far?

Another theme:
Anyone else think we should examine the players who was townreaded by Vannish?
(This includes me as well)
Specially Topkek, who was townreaded first than strike down from that list after asking further explanation.

[Forg]

I meant MichaelgRook.
Sry Wolf was not wanted accusing you

You mean the way he edited his reads after being questioned? Or what? And I don't see him as being scummier than Blazin, but that's me.

I meant that, yes. He might be newbie, but so far?

Another theme:
Anyone else think we should examine the players who was townreaded by Vannish?
(This includes me as well)
Specially Topkek, who was townreaded first than strike down from that list after asking further explanation.

I think looking at their posts might a bit better, since they can just null/scum read their buddies to distance just as easy as putting them down as town.

[SamuelJackson1972]

Slept peacufully.

First a little surprised to seeing Vannish as mafia.

Vannish--leaning scum, but I want to hear a reasoning from him to these reads:

Not the easiest thing for me to attempt to scumread people, some things like random lynching would give a very scummy vibe in ToS, but here it seems to be much more of a norm, so it confuses me. For now I don't think I have any definites but I have some people that seem to lean town, and others that seem to lean mafia

Lean Town:
Cenvil
TheWolfBuddy
TopkekeroniXX
TazmanianBrit

Lean Mafia:
Noodlelick
MichaelgRook
DeathGhost12
All others I either don't see anything that makes them lean either way, or I see things that makes me think they are both things.

Erm, okay then.

[Cenvil]

I meant MichaelgRook.
Sry Wolf was not wanted accusing you

You mean the way he edited his reads after being questioned? Or what? And I don't see him as being scummier than Blazin, but that's me.

I meant that, yes. He might be newbie, but so far?

Another theme:
Anyone else think we should examine the players who was townreaded by Vannish?
(This includes me as well)
Specially Topkek, who was townreaded first than strike down from that list after asking further explanation.

I think looking at their posts might a bit better, since they can just null/scum read their buddies to distance just as easy as putting them down as town.

His read (or not-read) on Topkek is suspicious anyway.
But thanks. You are right.

@Samuel
that was before he explained his reads.

[TopkekeroniXX]

Guys. Hypoclaiming. Yes? No? Let's generate some consensus here.

I'm not a fan of Forg claiming witched. I guess we were too busy whining about inactives to come to a consensus as town on whether or not to do it, but I and several others were against it. If you really were witched, it doesn't prove anything. The witch could have sent you to one of the night kills, or you could be the third mafia. Maybe your mafia buddy was witched and now the witch knows both of you because you're lying. FoS, my dude.

[NoodleLick]

Slept peacefully.

Also, I still don't understand hypoclaiming.

[TopkekeroniXX]

Slept peacefully.

Also, I still don't understand hypoclaiming.

It's to compensate for our lack of last wills.

Let's say that the sheriff has cleared a few townies but he doesn't want to claim and expose himself as a target. Then he runs the risk of dying anyway and no one will know his night results.

If we hypoclaim, the sheriff can slip in his night results with everyone else's junk. Then if he dies early, we can look back on his hypoclaims because those are his real results.

[Forg]

Guys. Hypoclaiming. Yes? No? Let's generate some consensus here.

I'm not a fan of Forg claiming witched. I guess we were too busy whining about inactives to come to a consensus as town on whether or not to do it, but I and several others were against it. If you really were witched, it doesn't prove anything. The witch could have sent you to one of the night kills, or you could be the third mafia. Maybe your mafia buddy was witched and now the witch knows both of you because you're lying. FoS, my dude.

I'm not a fan of hypoclaiming.

Also lol. Idec man, like i said my first post. I am not mafia, but you can think whatever you want to. It's also possible that you are mafia and that's why Vannish couldn't explain why you were town. See what I did there?

Slept peacefully.

Also, I still don't understand hypoclaiming.

It's to compensate for our lack of last wills.

Let's say that the sheriff has cleared a few townies but he doesn't want to claim and expose himself as a target. Then he runs the risk of dying anyway and no one will know his night results.

If we hypoclaim, the sheriff can slip in his night results with everyone else's junk. Then if he dies early, we can look back on his hypoclaims because those are his real results.

And it also tells mafia who is the real TI.

[Cenvil]

Guys. Hypoclaiming. Yes? No? Let's generate some consensus here.

I'm not a fan of Forg claiming witched. I guess we were too busy whining about inactives to come to a consensus as town on whether or not to do it, but I and several others were against it. If you really were witched, it doesn't prove anything. The witch could have sent you to one of the night kills, or you could be the third mafia. Maybe your mafia buddy was witched and now the witch knows both of you because you're lying. FoS, my dude.

Give more attention to the game.
ObiWan said: There is no mafia daychat in this game.
So he is unlikely to be the third mafia.
He is not likely the witch (as I said D1, if town claim witched, claim it before anyone else, avoid witch signal to scum, and he was the first to speak this day)
As controlling for kill? I dont know. I think both kill was reasonable.
Lucias was pretty town, but not enough to take a TP, and Vannish was somewhere middle to SK sure not be attacked by mafia.

[Forg]

His read (or not-read) on Topkek is suspicious anyway.
But thanks. You are right.

@Samuel
that was before he explained his reads.

What was it about Vannish's reads that made you change your mind?


I also noticed this while going through Vannish's page of posts:

By the way, thank you Dragonfire, I think I'm kind of starting to understand how the game works, its my first ever experience with forum mafia, so I was just kind of lost, and I was even a bit lazy to read and post in the beginning, I wasn't sure what I was supposed to say or do, especially in a Day 1, but I get it now, we interpret each others' posts, we try to make something out of it, we try to discuss what strategy will be best for the town and we try to make the scum slip in their own words. Because of this I understand why a lot of you may be reading me as slight scum, I was lazy to discuss, was confused and didn't know what to do so most of my posts were simply about discussions that were already over or that weren't really that meaningful to the town, so I can see why you may think that this was intentional and therefore scummy, but it was really just my lack of experience and understanding of how the game works in practice.

Thanks for this and your explained reads-list, you've now moved solidly into my leaning-town pool. Don't worry about seeming ignorant/confused, and if you have any queries about how the game works or whatever, feel free to ask us It's always good to see newer players learning the ropes and getting into FM.

Dragon, what was it about Vannish's reads that sent him/her to your town-lean pool? Just seems weird to me.

[Cenvil]

His read (or not-read) on Topkek is suspicious anyway.
But thanks. You are right.

@Samuel
that was before he explained his reads.

What was it about Vannish's reads that made you change your mind?

It seemed less scummy after explanation.
And there was nothing else I found scummy about him that time.

[Cenvil]

*I thought his Topkek failed read was a newbie failure as well as mine in my first read this game.

[Forg]

His read (or not-read) on Topkek is suspicious anyway.
But thanks. You are right.

@Samuel
that was before he explained his reads.

What was it about Vannish's reads that made you change your mind?

It seemed less scummy after explanation.
And there was nothing else I found scummy about him that time.

I see, I didn't find them scummy really either. Had a null/town lean in my reads list. I suspect if they had posted more, that wouldn't be the case, but Vannish blended in okay.

[TheWolfBuddy]

kso we still have pretty good odds thanks to that SK kill even with a ML

Hypo Results (feel free to join in):

Sheriff: Noodle, not suspicious
Invest: Noodle, Godfather / Citizen
Lookout: Dragon, none

Reads tommorow, I'm tired asf.

[TheWolfBuddy]

I meant MichaelgRook.
Sry Wolf was not wanted accusing you

Square up m8 letz 1v1 no nifing onlee 1dayvig shetz!1

Don't remember if I said in my first post, I slept peacefully.

[Cenvil]

Speaking of wich:
/vote Topkek

The main reason he accusing Forg however:
-He was one of the players who asked Obi if there is a maf daychat or not. (If I ask something that important, I think I wont forget tge answer, only if I want to pretend I dont know. But after Obi's answer it was a common knowledge, so pretending to not know that is a bad move, I think.)
(I stated above why Forg claim is more town-leaning, than scum-leaning)

[Forg]

Speaking of wich:
/vote Topkek

The main reason he accusing Forg however:
-He was one of the players who asked Obi if there is a maf daychat or not. (If I ask something that important, I think I wont forget tge answer, only if I want to pretend I dont know. But after Obi's answer it was a common knowledge, so pretending to not know that is a bad move, I think.)
(I stated above why Forg claim is more town-leaning, than scum-leaning)

About the maf daychat, Wolfbuddy asked first, then Topkek asked Obi, and I responded to Wolfbuddy's question. I'm pretty sure none of us knew the answer to that question until Obi cleared it up. And frankly, I don't care if Topkek is sus of me for claiming witched. I did claim witched. I am town. If you think I am scum, please find something to back it up other than my true claim of being witched. Peace bro.

[NoodleLick]

kso we still have pretty good odds thanks to that SK kill even with a ML

Hypo Results (feel free to join in):

Sheriff: Noodle, not suspicious
Invest: Noodle, Godfather / Citizen
Lookout: Dragon, none

Reads tommorow, I'm tired asf.

So are you saying you're a TI or not?

[Forg]

kso we still have pretty good odds thanks to that SK kill even with a ML

Hypo Results (feel free to join in):

Sheriff: Noodle, not suspicious
Invest: Noodle, Godfather / Citizen
Lookout: Dragon, none

Reads tommorow, I'm tired asf.

So are you saying you're a TI or not?

He is hypoclaiming. That is where people put down fake ti results so the real ti can post their results. I find it sus that you are asking him if he is ti or not.

[NoodleLick]

kso we still have pretty good odds thanks to that SK kill even with a ML

Hypo Results (feel free to join in):

Sheriff: Noodle, not suspicious
Invest: Noodle, Godfather / Citizen
Lookout: Dragon, none

Reads tommorow, I'm tired asf.

So are you saying you're a TI or not?

He is hypoclaiming. That is where people put down fake ti results so the real ti can post their results. I find it sus that you are asking him if he is ti or not.

I'm still confused over this hypoiclaiming thing, so forgive me

[Cenvil]

Speaking of wich:
/vote Topkek

The main reason he accusing Forg however:
-He was one of the players who asked Obi if there is a maf daychat or not. (If I ask something that important, I think I wont forget tge answer, only if I want to pretend I dont know. But after Obi's answer it was a common knowledge, so pretending to not know that is a bad move, I think.)
(I stated above why Forg claim is more town-leaning, than scum-leaning)

About the maf daychat, Wolfbuddy asked first, then Topkek asked Obi, and I responded to Wolfbuddy's question. I'm pretty sure none of us knew the answer to that question until Obi cleared it up. And frankly, I don't care if Topkek is sus of me for claiming witched. I did claim witched. I am town. If you think I am scum, please find something to back it up other than my true claim of being witched. Peace bro.

I think you are town.
(And specially because of the early witch claim. You were leaning town D1 as well mostly)
But we all begin D2 with that knowledge. (Thats why I said its common knowlegde)
And Topkek still accusing you for scum-signaling to witch, which is unlikely without mafia daychat.
Thats why I think Topkek is scum.

(Just noticed the last part is adressed to Topkek, nevermind, my post is still legit, I think)