[Newcomer FM] NFM30 | Game Over [Town wins!]

[James2]

When did mass claiming d1 become standard in FM?

It's been that way for some time?

Why are you trying to trick the newbies into thinking it isn't? That's not very sportsmanlike.

Jammy, Stop this shade throwing. Mass claiming d1 has never been a common thing.

It really isn't in the spirit of being an IC to outright lie to newbies like that about game practices.

I'm convinced that you're scum now.

[Schultz128]

It's almost as if you're pretending not to know that mafia has a day chat. They can coordinate whatever and whenever they want.

That only increases the need to claim immediately.

Now. What. Is. Your. Role.

Mafia just pretends to not get on until later so they have time to coordinate role claims. It's simple. We aren't mass claiming day 1.

It's standard practice to mass claim day one.

Every moment you delay claiming makes you look scummier.

Maybe people don't want to play by the boring so called "meta."

[TopkekeroniXX]

James, if you've read FM Academy (which you have but you clearly intend to flout), you'd know that claiming too early is scummy. If you've read Obi-Wan's guide to playing citizen, you'd know that hardclaiming citizen too early is detrimental to town. Unless you think that TheCow and Obi are bad players, you're clearly just making this custom up.

The only things we know for sure is that you intend to act anti-town for whatever reason, and you're not Citizen.

[melanora]

Standard practice in an NFM game is for everyone to claim their role immediately on day one, before Mafia have a chance to communicate with each other. So please everyone claim your roles ASAP.

James.

1. Do not mislead purposely about behaviors in NFM. You've been warned before about this.
2. Crop your posts.

[cmitc1]

When did mass claiming d1 become standard in FM?

It's been that way for some time?

Why are you trying to trick the newbies into thinking it isn't? That's not very sportsmanlike.

Jammy, Stop this shade throwing. Mass claiming d1 has never been a common thing.

It really isn't in the spirit of being an IC to outright lie to newbies like that about game practices.

I'm convinced that you're scum now.

LESSON IN FM FOR NEW PLAYERS!!!

This is an example of shade throwing.

Shade throwing is something scum would use to try to make a towny look bad (example is above )


also

/unvote
/vote James2

[James2]

Standard practice in an NFM game is for everyone to claim their role immediately on day one, before Mafia have a chance to communicate with each other. So please everyone claim your roles ASAP.

James.

1. Do not mislead purposely about behaviors in NFM. You've been warned before about this.
2. Crop your posts.

A message to the effect of such deception being frowned upon but not actionable hardly constitutes a warning.

Current warning noted, however.

[James2]

When did mass claiming d1 become standard in FM?

It's been that way for some time?

Why are you trying to trick the newbies into thinking it isn't? That's not very sportsmanlike.

Jammy, Stop this shade throwing. Mass claiming d1 has never been a common thing.

It really isn't in the spirit of being an IC to outright lie to newbies like that about game practices.

I'm convinced that you're scum now.

LESSON IN FM FOR NEW PLAYERS!!!

This is an example of shade throwing.

Shade throwing is something scum would use to try to make a towny look bad (example is above )


also

/unvote
/vote James2

OMGUS

[James2]

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

[cmitc1]

[TopkekeroniXX]

/unvote
/vote James2

I kind of want in on this wagon because I think it will help town, but I also kind of want to see where this goes.

/unvote

[Schultz128]

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

"I tried to use the possible ignorance of newbies to force the town to follow this wise course."

You admit you that tried to manipulate newer players to follow your plans.

"Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill..."

You constantly place yourself on high pedestal to make yourself look like a leader. Again, you're still trying to manipulate the naive nature of newbies to your own liking.

"The point of claiming day one is to prevent the mafia from being able to coordinate fakeclaims."

Seriously, there's a Mafia Day chat. By the time everyone gets their votes in and what not, the Mafia could already have their claims down and just blame their delay on real life issues.

Personally, I believe you're scum trying to get a following and a decent amount of role claims. You try to be Town motivated, but ultimately it's looking more Scum motivated.

/vote James2

[James2]

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

"I tried to use the possible ignorance of newbies to force the town to follow this wise course."

You admit you that tried to manipulate newer players to follow your plans.

"Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill..."

You constantly place yourself on high pedestal to make yourself look like a leader. Again, you're still trying to manipulate the naive nature of newbies to your own liking.

"The point of claiming day one is to prevent the mafia from being able to coordinate fakeclaims."

Seriously, there's a Mafia Day chat. By the time everyone gets their votes in and what not, the Mafia could already have their claims down and just blame their delay on real life issues.

Personally, I believe you're scum trying to get a following and a decent amount of role claims. You try to be Town motivated, but ultimately it's looking more Scum motivated.

/vote James2

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

[James2]

Meant to spoiler that. Sorry Mela.

[Schultz128]

Spoiler:

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

"I tried to use the possible ignorance of newbies to force the town to follow this wise course."

You admit you that tried to manipulate newer players to follow your plans.

"Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill..."

You constantly place yourself on high pedestal to make yourself look like a leader. Again, you're still trying to manipulate the naive nature of newbies to your own liking.

"The point of claiming day one is to prevent the mafia from being able to coordinate fakeclaims."

Seriously, there's a Mafia Day chat. By the time everyone gets their votes in and what not, the Mafia could already have their claims down and just blame their delay on real life issues.

Personally, I believe you're scum trying to get a following and a decent amount of role claims. You try to be Town motivated, but ultimately it's looking more Scum motivated.

/vote James2

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

I don't think this thread is big enough for all of us AND your ego.

[TopkekeroniXX]

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

Oh, being deceived is for our own good?

I changed my mind. I don't want to see where this goes.

/vote James2 for his own good and ours.

[jakob12341]

It's almost as if you're pretending not to know that mafia has a day chat. They can coordinate whatever and whenever they want.

That only increases the need to claim immediately.

Now. What. Is. Your. Role.

Mafia just pretends to not get on until later so they have time to coordinate role claims. It's simple. We aren't mass claiming day 1.

Mass claiming D1? I would never agree to that :/
oh and it's morning here so I just want to say morning to you all

Hey guys! Can't wait to start
It's like 3am here and my friend is moving into our new flat tomorrow so just in case I'm not online much, I'll say right now that I'm 100% in favour of a D1 lynch (mathematically we're much more likely to hit scum or a citizen than a PR, and even in the worst case scenario we DO hit town, it'll help us clear up the rolelist & eliminate claimspace for scum), and I'd rather townies didn't claim witched at least until lategame (Mafia can use their daychat to coordinate a non-witched member of the mafia to claim witched, to signal her). What does everyone else think?

I agree on the witched part since I usually say that every time, but also because melanora chose to go all out on us with mafia day chat. (And more reasons)

as for the D1 lynch, I'm not sure if we can gather enough associations for a good ISO analysing and find contradictions day 1 but then again they do have the SK...which means townies could be getting killed by the SK and we lose 2 people.

If I'm correct their team have about 3 mafia members,1 witch and 1 SK=5

And the town has 12 players (including PR)

12+5=17
17players
I can only say from this I know there's over 50℅ that we hit town and a lot less than 50% (like about 30 something in percent) that we hit scum...numbers don't lie

(unless I do my math wrong..don't blame me I am not a good math person)

[Lexiam]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

[cmitc1]

I dont want they brought up past 5 votes.

we dont want to even get close to hammering this early.

[James2]

Spoiler:

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

"I tried to use the possible ignorance of newbies to force the town to follow this wise course."

You admit you that tried to manipulate newer players to follow your plans.

"Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill..."

You constantly place yourself on high pedestal to make yourself look like a leader. Again, you're still trying to manipulate the naive nature of newbies to your own liking.

"The point of claiming day one is to prevent the mafia from being able to coordinate fakeclaims."

Seriously, there's a Mafia Day chat. By the time everyone gets their votes in and what not, the Mafia could already have their claims down and just blame their delay on real life issues.

Personally, I believe you're scum trying to get a following and a decent amount of role claims. You try to be Town motivated, but ultimately it's looking more Scum motivated.

/vote James2

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

I don't think this thread is big enough for all of us AND your ego.

To use Socrates's example, if a cook were to indict a doctor before a court of children, accusing him of having fed them maladorous potions, then what would the doctor say? I have done this all for your benefit?

You see, great men are always persecuted by their contemporaries. The Greeks killed Socrates, the Romans killed Caesar, the Jews killed Jesus, etc.

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

Oh, being deceived is for our own good?

I changed my mind. I don't want to see where this goes.

/vote James2 for his own good and ours.

Yes. It's called the noble lie. The common folk need to ruled by the wise, and the wise must necessarily employ certain deceptions to promote the good of the common folk.

[lijik]

Part of me desperately wants to join this push against this deceiving and egotistical scum.

The other part of me is holding me back in the fear of newbs ending the day too early with a Lynch before we have enough discussion, especially considering we probably won't get much from this push since we don't have much to go off of in the first place.

And back to the day 1 Lynch thing, if there is a scummy person, chances are they'll get lynched the next day anyways unless a TI steps in or there is someone else even scummier. Just a waste to not use it I'd say.

[James2]

I dont want they brought up past 5 votes.

we dont want to even get close to hammering this early.

It is evident that you are scum, because you know deep down that I'm town, yet you advocate my lynch anyway.

[jakob12341]

Spoiler:

[spoiler]

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

"I tried to use the possible ignorance of newbies to force the town to follow this wise course."

You admit you that tried to manipulate newer players to follow your plans.

"Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill..."

You constantly place yourself on high pedestal to make yourself look like a leader. Again, you're still trying to manipulate the naive nature of newbies to your own liking.

"The point of claiming day one is to prevent the mafia from being able to coordinate fakeclaims."

Seriously, there's a Mafia Day chat. By the time everyone gets their votes in and what not, the Mafia could already have their claims down and just blame their delay on real life issues.

Personally, I believe you're scum trying to get a following and a decent amount of role claims. You try to be Town motivated, but ultimately it's looking more Scum motivated.

/vote James2

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

I don't think this thread is big enough for all of us AND your ego.

To use Socrates's example, if a cook were to indict a doctor before a court of children, accusing him of having fed them maladorous potions, then what would the doctor say? I have done this all for your benefit?

You see, great men are always persecuted by their contemporaries. The Greeks killed Socrates, the Romans killed Caesar, the Jews killed Jesus, etc.

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

Oh, being deceived is for our own good?

I changed my mind. I don't want to see where this goes.

/vote James2 for his own good and ours.

Yes. It's called the noble lie. The common folk need to ruled by the wise, and the wise must necessarily employ certain deceptions to promote the good of the common folk.

[/spoiler]

James please read the rules because you are trying to mislead the town now and you are already going to get yourself lynched so, I highly recommend you stop now...religion is not part of the game and you are just saying something "to be active"
But you're fluffing around. Play the game right okay?

[TopkekeroniXX]

Yes. It's called the noble lie. The common folk need to ruled by the wise, and the wise must necessarily employ certain deceptions to promote the good of the common folk.

You're not a doctor, and by the nature of the game, there's a decent chance your goal is opposed to ours. I reject your authority.

You have no power here, James2 the grey.

[jakob12341]

I dont want they brought up past 5 votes.

we dont want to even get close to hammering this early.

It is evident that you are scum, because you know deep down that I'm town, yet you advocate my lynch anyway.

Nobody except you and the mods know your role James but, we can always try to guess if you are lying. I still suggest you read the rules and basics because as I said, you are in your own small world right now.

[James2]

Spoiler:

[spoiler]

For the record, it would benefit the town greatly to do a day one mass claim. Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill, it is unfortunately not standard practice, however it is still very much advisable. I tried to use the possible ignorance of the newbies to force the town to follow this wise course, though apparently mela does not intend to permit that.

In any case, it would still be best if everyone claimed ASAP.

"I tried to use the possible ignorance of newbies to force the town to follow this wise course."

You admit you that tried to manipulate newer players to follow your plans.

"Since most players do not have anywhere near my skill..."

You constantly place yourself on high pedestal to make yourself look like a leader. Again, you're still trying to manipulate the naive nature of newbies to your own liking.

"The point of claiming day one is to prevent the mafia from being able to coordinate fakeclaims."

Seriously, there's a Mafia Day chat. By the time everyone gets their votes in and what not, the Mafia could already have their claims down and just blame their delay on real life issues.

Personally, I believe you're scum trying to get a following and a decent amount of role claims. You try to be Town motivated, but ultimately it's looking more Scum motivated.

/vote James2

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

I don't think this thread is big enough for all of us AND your ego.

To use Socrates's example, if a cook were to indict a doctor before a court of children, accusing him of having fed them maladorous potions, then what would the doctor say? I have done this all for your benefit?

You see, great men are always persecuted by their contemporaries. The Greeks killed Socrates, the Romans killed Caesar, the Jews killed Jesus, etc.

As in Plato's Republic, the simple have to be manipulated by the wise in order to get them to do what's in their own best interests. Unfortunately, just like Socrates, the wise are often resented by the simple for bekng wiser than they are.

Oh, being deceived is for our own good?

I changed my mind. I don't want to see where this goes.

/vote James2 for his own good and ours.

Yes. It's called the noble lie. The common folk need to ruled by the wise, and the wise must necessarily employ certain deceptions to promote the good of the common folk.

[/spoiler]

James please read the rules because you are trying to mislead the town now and you are already going to get yourself lynched so, I highly recommend you stop now...religion is not part of the game and you are just saying something "to be active"
But you're fluffing around. Play the game right okay?

May I kindly ask what you are babbling about?

Yes. It's called the noble lie. The common folk need to ruled by the wise, and the wise must necessarily employ certain deceptions to promote the good of the common folk.

You're not a doctor, and by the nature of the game, there's a decent chance your goal is opposed to ours. I reject your authority.

You have no power here, James2 the grey.

If I were Mafia, then the game would be over before it begun. I have not even once lost as Mafia, for my genius intellect combined with the knowledge proper to the Mafia is quite literally unstoppable. If that were the case, it would behoove the town to simply surrender now. So the only way that it makes sense for town members to even try is to assume (correctly) that I am also a town member.