[Newcomer FM] NFM30 | Game Over [Town wins!]

[mihail66]

Well before the hammer falls(if it happens), I just want to say that for me, at the moment, the scum team are: Schultz, Tilted, Death(although I am not so confident about this one).
Just in case I get shoot tonight.

[lijik]

I'd say there's a pretty decent chance no one's dying tonight. As long as my scum team guess is correct, that's a 50-50 chance of stoping them.

[deathghost12]

Okay I am back. Sorry for the lack of posting. I see I got prodded. Ill try not let it happen again. I will read the tread to see what you guys have thought up while I was gone.

[Schultz128]

I'm up for lynching either lijik, death, or Tilted.

[deathghost12]

Okay so from what I understand is shultz is the scumier player out the 3 prs.
TheForgot Seems good but neither he nor shultz has confirmed they ha lave the abilities they cliam so no proof either way.
I feel thforgot might be trying something along the lines of this:
Get a mislynch on lijik then since it will be then between him and shultz he should get a easy mislynch against shutlz thus winning the game for mafia.
Lijik is the most Townie read out of the three in my eyes but thats something Mafia is usally good at. Since Lijik seems nearly flawlessly town read that could be a mafia play trying to get 2 prs mislynched.
Does that sound like a fair summery? And if so then which one do you bealive is most likely the cass?
I am slightly leaning towards a obvious lynch on shultz.
Also why is hulk acting so chaotic? Hes seems like a very new player but can tell if it means hes mafia or not either way I don't like how much he votes people without really thinking or making much sense.

[deathghost12]

Okay so from what I understand is shultz is the scumier player out the 3 prs.
TheForgot Seems good but neither he nor shultz has confirmed they ha lave the abilities they cliam so no proof either way.
I feel thforgot might be trying something along the lines of this:
Get a mislynch on lijik then since it will be then between him and shultz he should get a easy mislynch against shutlz thus winning the game for mafia.
Lijik is the most Townie read out of the three in my eyes but thats something Mafia is usally good at. Since Lijik seems nearly flawlessly town read that could be a mafia play trying to get 2 prs mislynched.
Does that sound like a fair summery? And if so then which one do you bealive is most likely the cass?
I am slightly leaning towards a obvious lynch on shultz.
Also why is hulk acting so chaotic? Hes seems like a very new player but can tell if it means hes mafia or not either way I don't like how much he votes people without really thinking or making much sense.

lol and you talk about my English after that? oh man
TheForgot did confirm his abilities on the way Marshal can confirm at least
Lijik confirm nothing except that he is escort/consort, TheForgot is more townie then Lijik
No it's not sounds like fair summary
Still got nothing for your fake cits
I am new to TOS not to forum mafia

I am not trying to disrespect you I actually have trouble reading what you post sometimes.
If you can't help it thats fine.
Theforgot proved himself how?
By lynching witch?
IF he were mafia they would know if cmit was lying about cleaned targets therefor him to be witch then lynching him for free town cred.
In the time since you've joined all you've done is point fingers and accus everyone under the sun.
I bealive you to be mafia.

[lijik]

/vote RajolAttates

By the way there's one other thing important for today. I know one more scum.

The reason I pushed cmitc1 so hard yesterday was actually because I am a PR myself, I've just been hidden this whole time since TopKek claimed TP. I didn't want to counterclaim him. I was townreading that guy, don't ask me why, but I was just very, very sure that he wasn't scum. If he was Neutral, claiming Doctor would be suicidal. If he was Mafia, it would make slightly more sense, but still not since he'd be counterclaimed in most cases. And also, if he was mafia he would know it would lead to failure, and I couldn't see any type of "I'm unsure of my claim, please trust me" behavior that I would be expecting from such a bold claim. Anyway

I am the Marshal.

Now, I've been feeling the consigliere check on me, ever since we hung James2 I felt pretty sure that mafia had scouted me, either with an Agent checking my targets (and thus understanding that someone is hiding) or Consig checking someone who was at the time widely townread, so I was actually going to counterclaim right after saying

Also, I want to make a prediction for today.

No one is going to claim witched today.

This was originally an excited TheForgot3n1 who realized that he had scared the witch away from the Escort. Then afterwards I realized I claimed that too early. What if I could successfully push Cmitc1 without claiming my role? I could always claim later on, depending on how good cmitc1 defended himself. So I went along with the "lel witch can't get roleblocked". I mean, mafia couldn't know what that meant. Sure, witch knew I was marshal now (still a misplay in a sense), but if I needed to claim I had way more strength to my claim, since I had predicted no witch claim correctly. I was okay with things, and the push on Cmitc1 went super well.

During whole day3 I knew cmitc1 was scum, and I assumed he was janitor simply due to being medium. This meant that, no matter if Mafia had found me, and could choose to kill me, they couldn't clean me as long as the cmitc1 lynch went as planned! With this assumption, I thought Jakob was scum due to his defending of cmitc1 and looking closer mihail, eeeln, and someone else (I'll look back into it later) looked town to me from the interactions around cmitc1. But cmitc1 wasn't a freaking medium, so going to have to reevaluate shit later I guess (and this made me incredibly nervous this night).

Now to the matter at hand. Schultz did the most sneaky hardclaim I've ever seen towards the end of the day. I think the reason he did that was that they knew Cmitc1 wasn't janitor and was expecting to clean me today, making Schultz claim more trustworthy. It would technically be suspicious why a "citizen" was killed instead, but they could probably say something about WIFOM. From a town point of view, hardclaiming in that situation made no sense. Not from Schultz point of view. I had the opportunity to counterclaim Schultz before it was hammered. However, to be honest with you, I just didn't realize the purpose of his hardclaim. I thought maybe I could do my night actions first, since "Janitor would die anyway" but then I saw the witch flip and... yeah. That's all I can think of this moment, if anyone has any questions I'll answer them.

Night actions:
Night 1: protected James2 (assuming he was vigi, didn't want witch to control; this is partially why I was defending James2 quite strongly).
Night 2: protected lijik (I slept peacefully, but I'm pretty damn sure I scared the witch away).
Night 3: protected lijik (I was praying for a scenario where mafia actually HADN'T checked me, and would go for the logical kill on lijik [hopefully without cleaning], schultz would be expected to WIFOM his way out).

80% likelihood that I was the attack target. They should have been able to figure out my identity with some kind of Agent/Consig check + the push on Cmitc1, assuming citizen and such. With this roleblock, lijik saved one townie and revealed two scum at the same time. The best possible outcome. Even better than myself scaring someone away from lijik.

This is where they proved them self. Also, scum would not fight so hard to get their CC lynched like forgot3n did since it would lead to their own lynch. Now stop defending/trying to distract us from your scum buddy Schultz. Unless you've got a decent argument, it's not going to work.

[Tiltedcomedian]

lijik, that was my whole argument against lunching James.

[deathghost12]

Didn't we agree to no claiming that we were witched?

[deathghost12]

Didn't we agree to no claiming that we were witched?

maybe you agree about that is mafia chat
I see the why to not claim witched Argument but this is just a scare scum or newbies Argument in NFM as far as i know most townies will claim witched if they were

You wouldn't know since you haven't read though this whole thread hulk but Town agreed on a no cliam policy for witches to keep mafia and witch from teaming, so my question was weather or not that change at all before or when theforgot made his no witched cliam declaration?

[lijik]

Didn't we agree to no claiming that we were witched?

maybe you agree about that is mafia chat
I see the why to not claim witched Argument but this is just a scare scum or newbies Argument in NFM as far as i know most townies will claim witched if they were

You wouldn't know since you haven't read though this whole thread hulk but Town agreed on a no cliam policy for witches to keep mafia and witch from teaming, so my question was weather or not that change at all before or when theforgot made his no witched cliam declaration?

Forgot3n said they didn't think anyone would claim witched because they were about to claim marshal, however they decided it was too soon to claim marshal. The reason they didn't think anyone would claim witched was because marshal can scare witches away. The most logical move for a witch would be to witch me into topkek and Forgot3n was on me that night. No one claimed witched, so we can assume that forgot3n was correct and is truly a marshal unless a mafia member was witched and chose not to claim, however it's unlikely for a mafia member to get witched that night.

[deathghost12]

Spoiler:

Didn't we agree to no claiming that we were witched?

maybe you agree about that is mafia chat
I see the why to not claim witched Argument but this is just a scare scum or newbies Argument in NFM as far as i know most townies will claim witched if they were

You wouldn't know since you haven't read though this whole thread hulk but Town agreed on a no cliam policy for witches to keep mafia and witch from teaming, so my question was weather or not that change at all before or when theforgot made his no witched cliam declaration?

Forgot3n said they didn't think anyone would claim witched because they were about to claim marshal, however they decided it was too soon to claim marshal. The reason they didn't think anyone would claim witched was because marshal can scare witches away. The most logical move for a witch would be to witch me into topkek and Forgot3n was on me that night. No one claimed witched, so we can assume that forgot3n was correct and is truly a marshal unless a mafia member was witched and chose not to claim, however it's unlikely for a mafia member to get witched that night.

Why wouldn't witch just control the docter onto them?

[deathghost12]

Its the most straight forward and the most productive for the witch if their attack witch knows whos mafia if their doc they get extra protection and stop doc from healing townies.

[deathghost12]

Doc and escort are equal in stoping a mafia kill and both doc and escort can be made to kill themselves on noodle the vet or witched could have used doc to keep themselves healed or witch could have used escort to rb doc. What I am saying is that theirs a equale chance witch tried to controll doc or escort. Either witch controlled doc who died the same night meaning no witched cliam or witch tried to control escort but got stoped by marshal. Wouldn't witch controlling doc explain away him not self healing that night?

[deathghost12]

Why are you so certain hulk?
Why is this idea impossible?
I understand why you could think one of them over the others but why is it "bullshit" as you put it?
Just think about it please.

[mihail66]

Why are you so certain hulk?
Why is this idea impossible?
I understand why you could think one of them over the others but why is it "bullshit" as you put it?
Just think about it please.

Maybe because its the most logical thing to do?
1. Cmtic controls doc to himself- 1 PR out
2. Cmtic controls escort/consort to himself- 1 PR out
3. Cmtic controls escort to doctor(TopKek not schultz)-2 PR's out

[deathghost12]

Or witch wants docs protection or witch tries to kill either doc or escort by forcing them to vist vet.
What I think is that they are all basically equally possible scenarios.

[lijik]

Or witch wants docs protection or witch tries to kill either doc or escort by forcing them to vist vet.
What I think is that they are all basically equally possible scenarios.

Witch has free protection. If the mafia attack them, they'll know and won't attack them again. The vet was told not to alert so the witch couldn't control people onto them.

[deathghost12]

Okay would a doc protecting them let them keep their autovest?

[lijik]

Okay would a doc protecting them let them keep their autovest?

It doesn't matter if they keep their auto vest or not. If the mafia attacks someone and they don't die and no one claims to have been healed then they will know it's the witch and be able to work with them. A witch controlling a doctor to themselves is clearly inferior to controlling an escort to a doctor in this situation since it blocks two prs from doing their job.

[deathghost12]

Okay would a doc protecting them let them keep their autovest?

It doesn't matter if they keep their auto vest or not. If the mafia attacks someone and they don't die and no one claims to have been healed then they will know it's the witch and be able to work with them. A witch controlling a doctor to themselves is clearly inferior to controlling an escort to a doctor in this situation since it blocks two prs from doing their job.

I agreed and understood that after your last post.
I am trying to wrap this conversation up so I will ask it again.
Would being healed by a doc let a witch keep their autovest or not?
Should I ask lex?

[lijik]

They will keep their shield if healed.

[deathghost12]

Okay heres the possibilitie break done:
INSANLY unlikely-Cmit made doc heal them/was afk

Almost garunteed-Cmit tried to Witch Lijik but got repeled by marshal

Therefor, Theforgot is almost garunteed to be theforgot.

[deathghost12]

I meant to say hes almost garunteed to be marshal.
Sorry.

[Schultz128]

Okay heres the possibilitie break done:
INSANLY unlikely-Cmit made doc heal them/was afk

Almost garunteed-Cmit tried to Witch Lijik but got repeled by marshal

Therefor, Theforgot is almost garunteed to be theforgot.

I concur, TheForgott3n is almost guaranteed to be TheForgott3n. Although I'm not so sure about mihail being guaranteed as mihail, I think he's actually Varanus.