SFM22 | GIM3 Take 2 | Game Over!([Bomber Wins])

[murat1996]

Jammy posted a paradox role in the GIM thread.

It surely is in the game

[teamalex]

Shoot me now my wincon is basically impossible

this post doesn't come from town

town would negotiate and try to work something out, he gave up instantly

[JazzMusicStops]

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[teamalex]

Vader, recruit me. I know my way around a boat

wolfy

[ElusiveBelle]

If his role is this, you're an ass for making it Hark

http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... n#p1695072

[Thukk0]

there can be town roles that have a wincon other than "lynch all scum" i think

I don't see any, nor does that make much sense anyway.

[Harkonnen97]

santa are you town or neutral

[Harkonnen97]

jammy are we allowed to ask you how do you go around creating the game? when you roll a post and get a role, and the post itself doesn't specify the alignment, do you make up an alignment by yourself?

if so, if there are roles that have a hard coded wincon in them, do you give them the secondary wincon of "lynch all scum" if you roll them as town?

[ElusiveBelle]

If it has a hard coded wincon on its own I would presume it is considered neutral and only has that win con, that would make the most sense. Dependent on the wincon it would be benign, evil, killing, etc.

So if it already has a win con then I presume it gets sorted to that alignment to fill the slot and then the rest that don't have a win con or alignment are then assigned one. Something like that I guess?

[JazzMusicStops]

All roles that contain a Vanilla role in the name have that role's wincon unless stated otherwise
All roles that have an alignment in their name have that alignment's wincon unless stated otherwise(this overrides the previous(e.g. Mafia Mayor is Mafia))
All informed minorities has Mafia wincon unless stated otherwise
All NK roles have standard NK wincon unless stated otherwise

If a role has no wincon I will usually make it Town unless I really think it should be another alignment
I don't add alignments that haven't rolled and aren't vanilla(e.g. I won't make some role into an "Illuminati" faction for the hell of it)

[Harkonnen97]

i see

/vote Santa07

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[ElusiveBelle]

I'd like to note that there is a super jester that can roll that makes everyone lose when lynched. I'd rather not lynch Santa in case that was the case and just let someone handle it at night or day vig them or something.

[Harkonnen97]

in that case let's nolynch every day then

[ElusiveBelle]

Claiming something essentially neutral is a bit different than playing the game and being genuinely scummy, you're better than that Hark. Is you just being scum now?

[Thukk0]

The day someone roles the super jester is the day we're all screwed.

[MisaTange]

I mean, lynching is still one of the main ways to take care of scum and we might not have dayvigs/vigs at all

[ElusiveBelle]

And we will likely have someone more important to lynch than someone who "cant win" anyways. You'd figure the one with the impossible win con will be the bottom of the list as far as priorities go.

[Harkonnen97]

so claiming neutral means that you shouldn't be lynched just in the case you might be jester?

i claim neutral. can't lynch me now, can you

james claimed neutral survivor last game. he was bomber.

[Harkonnen97]

And we will likely have someone more important to lynch than someone who "cant win" anyways. You'd figure the one with the impossible win con will be the bottom of the list as far as priorities go.

i wouldn't be so quick to take santa's words for his wincon, considering they are coming from himself

[Thukk0]

And we will likely have someone more important to lynch than someone who "cant win" anyways. You'd figure the one with the impossible win con will be the bottom of the list as far as priorities go.

We don't even know what his wincon is, so it's hard to say whether or not it's "impossible".

[ElusiveBelle]

Even if they are lying there would be a reason for it, even if you take that into consideration it's still rather low on the totem pole of priority. If you really feel like running the logic sure then go for it, whom or what would benefit from a claim that essentially asks to die. Unless this is some super double bluff, which is highly doubtful, the priority remains low

[Harkonnen97]

okay then elusive

who is a bigger priority lynch for you other than santa at this very moment?

[FMLSheWas12]

ok i understand hark but i think expanding a town pool even with gut reads isn't pinging scum tbh.

my interpretation is the interaction is town v town

elusive pushing someones that disagrees with him, reading them town too hehe xd

if santa were some endgaming jester i think he'd be pushing his agenda more tbh. his post to me suggests he just doesnt care rather he wants to be lynched/shot asap.

santa definitely a safe d1 lynch. i believe lof's claim so we'll have stuff to work with tmrw. idk if im missing anything else.

using bad grammar cuz im lazy deal with it

elusive your point that santa "can't win" is fair, but doesn't mean their role isn't destructive. can still be a detriment to the town regardless. a player can have potential such as a nightkill and still have difficult win condition.

[ElusiveBelle]

Logically they are telling the truth, or something that benefits from death. In both cases keeping them alive serves town better.

As of right now for Hark's question? Nobody, but that doesn't mean something needs to be pushed now does it? Clearly the game has only just begun and there is much to be said and done and logically lynching Santa makes no sense, so even then I wouldn't even place them in the list at all to be considered.


In a bastard game like this we need to play smart after all do we not, rushing things and not thinking it through will get town nowhere. The best way to begin this is to get more from Santa then more a more logical decision from there, but as it stands they are not priority and not likely one to be considered.