[Newcomer FM] NFM29 | Game Over | Town Win

[Wirewolf]

Besides a ton of the people on the list said hi and left.

Not a great start, I agree.

[SofiaShe]

Literally VFM2, 9 users they started after use and they have more posts alredy...

[Wirewolf]

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Will be back in about 8 hours. Hopefully things will have picked up a big by then.

[TheWolfBuddy]

so?

[Varanus]

Do not talk about ongoing games.

[PipMcGee]

Well, hello there.

[SofiaShe]

Well, hello there.

Nice to meet you

[Forg]

Well, hello there.

Hello. Any thoughts on what's been going on so far?

[PipMcGee]

Well, hello there.

Nice to meet you

Nice to meet you too.

The "Witch is town" joke is a little bit suspicious, but not enough to accuse TheWolfBuddy

Quote of the Day: because it's day 1, I don't have a quote for you
-Pip McGee

[cmitc1]

Hey guys, due to stuff, i cant really post until tomorrow night. I will get on then.

[suckable]

Okay, so I'm back home from errands.

What do you guys think about claiming witched? I think we should, as that can possibly give more information to the town.

Well this is underwhelming.

Isn't it? I expected to have to catch up on more by now.

I am againts claiming witched, if an witch will get town they will call themself out and it's ok but from the other hand when witch control mafia members they won't say an word and the witch will understand this.
Also anyone know if witch have one scum auto vest on this game or not? I have heard something like this before

If you said you're against claiming witched and that when witch controls mafia, mafia won't say anything, does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

[PipMcGee]

Okay, so I'm back home from errands.

What do you guys think about claiming witched? I think we should, as that can possibly give more information to the town.

Well this is underwhelming.

Isn't it? I expected to have to catch up on more by now.

I am againts claiming witched, if an witch will get town they will call themself out and it's ok but from the other hand when witch control mafia members they won't say an word and the witch will understand this.
Also anyone know if witch have one scum auto vest on this game or not? I have heard something like this before

If you said you're against claiming witched and that when witch controls mafia, mafia won't say anything, does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

They have a good point though, while I personally think we should claim if witch, mafia can signal that way. We don't want the mafia and witch teaming.

[PipMcGee]

Okay, so I'm back home from errands.

What do you guys think about claiming witched? I think we should, as that can possibly give more information to the town.

Well this is underwhelming.

Isn't it? I expected to have to catch up on more by now.

I am againts claiming witched, if an witch will get town they will call themself out and it's ok but from the other hand when witch control mafia members they won't say an word and the witch will understand this.
Also anyone know if witch have one scum auto vest on this game or not? I have heard something like this before

If you said you're against claiming witched and that when witch controls mafia, mafia won't say anything, does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

suckable, you have caused me to be suspicious of you. Very suspicious. Therfore, I have no choice but to
/vote suckable
The mafia can easily signal the witch by not claiming being witch, and we'd never know

[TrueChara]

I'm lost in what suckable and Sophia are saying, but I think suck is just stating the logic mafia use in FM; claim they slept peacefully when controlled, so the witch knows.

[PipMcGee]

I'm lost in what suckable and Sophia are saying, but I think suck is just stating the logic mafia use in FM; claim they slept peacefully when controlled, so the witch knows.

Yes, and they start by saying that, but then say

does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

While this may be someone new to (this form of) Mafia asking questions, the logic seems suspicious to me. Mafia will not claim witched, if their trying to signal.

[SofiaShe]

If you said you're against claiming witched and that when witch controls mafia, mafia won't say anything, does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

I will explain this like an metaphor
My idea is to decide on rule that make order on this town
If the rule would be you have to claim witched if you were, the mafia would simply broke this rule and we have no ability to know that
However from the other hand if the rule is do not claim witched, you can't broke this cause this will make suspection on you

I would like to hear why claiming witched is better

[PipMcGee]

If you said you're against claiming witched and that when witch controls mafia, mafia won't say anything, does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

I will explain this like an metaphor
My idea is to decide on rule that make order on this town
If the rule would be you have to claim witched if you were, the mafia would simply broke this rule and we have no ability to know that
However from the other hand if the rule is do not claim witched, you can't broke this cause this will make suspection on you

I would like to hear why claiming witched is better

because it can keep information in the town organized. We'll have a way of organizing the events that happened in the town. If we don't claim witched, we'll lose information

Also, if we subtract who wasn't witched from who was, and combine it with our reads, we can get a better idea of who is a mafia/witch

[TrueChara]

Well, we could certainly not claim witched so that the witch is unsure of if the person they targeted is mafia or not... End-game, however, knowing if some PR role got witched will be vital.

[SofiaShe]

If you said you're against claiming witched and that when witch controls mafia, mafia won't say anything, does that make you in the mafia? Isn't it better to claim witched so that is absolutely no way for the witch to know?

I will explain this like a metaphor
My idea is to decide on rule that makes order in this town
If the rule would be you have to claim witched if you were, the mafia would simply break this rule and we have no ability to know that
However from the other hand if the rule is do not claim witched, you can't break this cause this will make suspection on you

I would like to hear why claiming witched is better

because it can keep information in the town organized. We'll have a way of organizing the events that happened in the town. If we don't claim witched, we'll lose information

Also, if we subtract who wasn't witched from who was, and combine it with our reads, we can get a better idea of who is a mafia/witch

Well this is an info but i believe that our main target lynching is the mafia and not the witch, also we can actually claim this on late game without problem if we need to

[npromin1]

You're kidding me right?

Not a full 4 pages into the game.

Not all introductions done, and we already have a vote.

As for the witch scenario, there's no need to create an argument.

The mafia might claim they were controlled or they might claim they weren't. Either way, we would have no way of tricking the witch.

I came up with three different plans. But they all sucks because if we say them publicly, scum will just come up with a plan using it to trick us. Anyway, I put them in the spoiler.
Spoiler: 1. Noone say they were controlled ever.
2. Only citizens say they were controlled.
3. Only PR roles say they were controlled.

These plans are terrible. All witch-claiming plans are terrible, to be honest. Here's the main problem:

If we come up with a witch-claim-plan, scum will use it to their advantage to trick us.

[TheWolfBuddy]

I do agree that it is suspicious, but until I feel it's suspicious-er(?) I will refrain from voting.

Especially since transporter can't role I would strongly advise against claiming witch, and later on (unless you're going to get lynched), town killing.

P-Edit:
If we all agree to never claim, if someone claims, we lynch them. It's simple and it works.

[Varanus]

Current Vote Count

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[npromin1]

P-Edit:
If we all agree to never claim, if someone claims, we lynch them. It's simple and it works.

Actually. I take back what I said.

Scum can't trick us with that.

We'd lose information though.

[SofiaShe]

Anyways I am off to bed now and tomorrow I won't be here until evening so I will summarize everyone now

1. PipMcGee- 5 posts but He is talking about important things there
2. SofiaShe- 16 posts,Trying to get order in town
3. Suckable - 2 posts and one of then is scummy
4. HereToPlay -4 posts and a bit game discussion on them
5. MythicMight - 1 post with hello, busy man i guess
6. Wirewolf -He have 12 posts and he posting an usful things
7. TrueChara -He have 3 normal disccusion posts
8. Wildraven - 0 posts(probaly going to be replaced)
9. Damafaud - 4 discusion post
10. Forg - 6 discusion posts
11. TheWolfBuddy - 16 posts but he was joking a lot
12. Sum1mad 2 useless posts
13. npromin1 - 5 disccusion posts, althought for you last post vote N1voting is not a scum thing in my opinion and i don't see your 2-3 planes going far enought i suggest nobody claime witched
14. Kitsu289 - one hi post
15. cmitc1 - well he said he is busy so i accept this
16. murat1996 -11 litle comments posts

[npromin1]

I said the plans are terrible.

That was just me brainstorming ideas, and using it to explain why we shouldn't come up with an elaborate plan with witched-claims.

But it's not like we can take the simplest route and not ever claim witched. We'd lose valuable information.

I say no plan, but if we have to go along with a plan, and the majority supports it, I will go along with as to not hinder the town.

Also pageget.