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cgMeretricious wrote:If someone targeted Sword because of experience, Mroz is probably a safe bet. Mroz is valuable for his experience and it's helpful how much he can structure a match, so protecting him is just about our best chance unless we have a lookout.. any other ideas guys?
MisaTange wrote:I slept peacefully.
I think it's less "they're targetting the last people" and more targetting people that have pushed lynches on scum in previous games, even if they are qualified to be on the newbie queue (3 or less games). It's still worth getting a Lookout (if we have one)/TP on Aaron/Mroz. Also worth looking at previous games to see who mafia kills tonight (FM time).
Cenas4life wrote:When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?
Mroz4k wrote:Cenas4life wrote:When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?
That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.
If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.
Cenas4life wrote:Mroz4k wrote:Cenas4life wrote:When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?
That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.
If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.
Ok thanks.
So also based on your assumptions, the mafia should have
Godfather
Consigilere
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Right?
Mroz4k wrote:Cenas4life wrote:Mroz4k wrote:Cenas4life wrote:When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?
That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.
If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.
Ok thanks.
So also based on your assumptions, the mafia should have
Godfather
Consigilere
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Right?
Yea, but Im also starting to consider we might just have an Agent and no Consig, or we might have multiplied Mafia role - aka two Agents or Consigs. Its really difficult to predetermine yet.
Cenas4life wrote:
Yeah. I forget, can we have last wills in FM?
Mroz4k wrote:Okay, caught up with the Agent role card, and something dawned on me - that Agent is basically a Lookout for Mafia.
FOS MisaTange
FOS cgMeretricious
I have a feeling one of them might be the Agent, and both of them could easily be in Mafia. Thats why all the Lookout fishes - they might be setting up for a Lookout claim later on as an agent.cgMeretricious wrote:If someone targeted Sword because of experience, Mroz is probably a safe bet. Mroz is valuable for his experience and it's helpful how much he can structure a match, so protecting him is just about our best chance unless we have a lookout.. any other ideas guys?MisaTange wrote:I slept peacefully.
I think it's less "they're targetting the last people" and more targetting people that have pushed lynches on scum in previous games, even if they are qualified to be on the newbie queue (3 or less games). It's still worth getting a Lookout (if we have one)/TP on Aaron/Mroz. Also worth looking at previous games to see who mafia kills tonight (FM time).
If you´d like to comment on that one and explain your POV, feel free.
What does FOS mean?
Spoiler:
Mroz4k wrote:Okay, caught up with the Agent role card, and something dawned on me - that Agent is basically a Lookout for Mafia.
FOS MisaTange
FOS cgMeretricious
I have a feeling one of them might be the Agent, and both of them could easily be in Mafia. Thats why all the Lookout fishes - they might be setting up for a Lookout claim later on as an agent.cgMeretricious wrote:If someone targeted Sword because of experience, Mroz is probably a safe bet. Mroz is valuable for his experience and it's helpful how much he can structure a match, so protecting him is just about our best chance unless we have a lookout.. any other ideas guys?MisaTange wrote:I slept peacefully.
I think it's less "they're targetting the last people" and more targetting people that have pushed lynches on scum in previous games, even if they are qualified to be on the newbie queue (3 or less games). It's still worth getting a Lookout (if we have one)/TP on Aaron/Mroz. Also worth looking at previous games to see who mafia kills tonight (FM time).
If you´d like to comment on that one and explain your POV, feel free.
What does FOS mean?
Spoiler:
Mroz4k wrote:Also noting down Enorino, TheDavis2211 and xUltiix as people who have not yet contributed with anything apart of one, two comments early in D1. Guys, please pick it up - this game is only for those dedicated to respond often.
xUltiix wrote:I was roleblocked last night.
Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.
Mroz4k wrote:Question for everyone: What roles do you think Mafia has? Barring into mind the reports of players so far. Lets at least try to remove the roles that are highly unlikely.
Also keep in mind that every Mafia role can choose to kill, not just Mafioso/Godfather. Though in this situation, its most likely Godfather who did the killing on N1.
Rolelist:
Godfather
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia
In my opinion, we dont have Janitor. If we did, Swords would have been cleaned. And assuming someone else doesnt claim roleblocked yet, Id also say its unlikely we have a Consort, since Godfather is most likely the one who did the killing.
Other then that, all the roles are possibility, Im afraid. My guess is that there is at least one Consigliere, so Id watch out for all TI claims. (since we have Mafia Support but its not Consort, that means Consig or Agent)
What bothers me is that nobody reported "witched" yet - thats something we want to know. I find that whole "didnt report witched" as a bad idea, honestly. Intel about witching helps us narrow down the pool of suspects.
IMO:
Spoiler:
xUltiix wrote:xUltiix wrote:I was roleblocked last night.
Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.
Also as an afterthought a prankster may have chosen to give me a roleblock message so I would be suspicious of a consort.
xUltiix wrote:I was roleblocked last night.
Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.
Imatreeant wrote:xUltiix wrote:I was roleblocked last night.
Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.
Wait..
You were serious?
Imatreeant wrote:xUltiix wrote:I was roleblocked last night.
Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.
Wait..
You were serious?
Enorino wrote:How many mafias are there in this game?
Mroz4k wrote:chordedWhisper wrote:Speaking of which, provided that Town Invest is a Lookout, who should be placed on whom? Personally, I'd put my best bets on having TP on Mroz while (if we have one) Lookout on Aaron. I have a feeling that that's much more likely to work, but I can't really say much, being a newbie and all.
Thanks for this comment. This is quite typical example of "fishing". The way you worded that question it looks like you are trying to push the existence of "Lookout" as a possibility, trying to narrow down if we have one or not. Also generally the idea would be for the Lookout to go on the same person like the "TP" to be able to know who the Protective is, and when it comes down to massclaiming, they would know whom to trust.
There is nothing to be gained from assuming we have a Lookout, we might have one, we might not. If we base our night plans on existence of one we will be just giving someone a false hope.
But yea, this comment implies you are trying to look for the specifics about Town Investigative, possibly even their identity.
Also, why the heck would the Mafia go for Aaron specifically? Because he was the first to post this Day with something meaningful? Thats pretty weak motive.
There is no point in making night plans when the Day literally just started.
chordedWhisper wrote:Mroz4k wrote:chordedWhisper wrote:Speaking of which, provided that Town Invest is a Lookout, who should be placed on whom? Personally, I'd put my best bets on having TP on Mroz while (if we have one) Lookout on Aaron. I have a feeling that that's much more likely to work, but I can't really say much, being a newbie and all.
Thanks for this comment. This is quite typical example of "fishing". The way you worded that question it looks like you are trying to push the existence of "Lookout" as a possibility, trying to narrow down if we have one or not. Also generally the idea would be for the Lookout to go on the same person like the "TP" to be able to know who the Protective is, and when it comes down to massclaiming, they would know whom to trust.
There is nothing to be gained from assuming we have a Lookout, we might have one, we might not. If we base our night plans on existence of one we will be just giving someone a false hope.
But yea, this comment implies you are trying to look for the specifics about Town Investigative, possibly even their identity.
Also, why the heck would the Mafia go for Aaron specifically? Because he was the first to post this Day with something meaningful? Thats pretty weak motive.
There is no point in making night plans when the Day literally just started.
Thank you for the explanation. I had no idea fishing existed, so now I can keep this in mind.
Just curious, do you have any good tips on reads? I learned how to do proper reads in my first game but I'd like to know if there's anything I should be keeping in mind.
Imatreeant wrote:Isnt this a bit far fetched? In numberd games or so sure it would be worth a FOS, but as this is A NFM i dont think they are mafia
Enorino wrote:How many mafias are there in this game?
KilledbySnow wrote:About Consig/Agent:I don´t really know how Agent works(Apparently some sort of Mafia LO),so that´s a big question mark for me. As for Consig,if we see a PR die this night,we could very well say that there´s a Consig....
xUltiix wrote:I was roleblocked last night.
Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.
xUltiix wrote:Mroz4k wrote:Also noting down Enorino, TheDavis2211 and xUltiix as people who have not yet contributed with anything apart of one, two comments early in D1. Guys, please pick it up - this game is only for those dedicated to respond often.
My playstyle is to be active in watching but post less to avoid being targeted or suspicion falling on me. The guy who is being helpful and is giving tips to the newbies is much more likely to get targeted than the person who does not post as much and does not seem like a threat.
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