[Newcomer FM] NFM26 | GAME OVER [Mafia + Witch Win]

[Mroz4k]

And we will not get anywhere unless people start contributing.

For starters, we need everyones report - what happened to you during the night? Did you slept peacefully (aka nothing happened), were you transported, roleblocked, everything. Let us know.

Remember the No. 1 rule - be active. This game requires at least an hour of your time every day, please dedicate at least that much. If I can, you all can too - and I work 7 days a week full time job.

Here is list so far:

1. xUltiix
2. Swordsworth - Dead - Cit
3. Schultz128 - SP
4. AaronC - SP? (please confirm if you meant "slept peacefully" or not by your message, and only use the "Slept peacefully" phrase, if you say anything else it can be perceived as Mafia signal, its one of the oldest ways for Mafia to communicate something during the day.)
5. yauaustin202
6. KilledbySnow
7. MisaTange - SP
8. Enorino
9. TheDavis2211
10. Cenas4life - SP
11. cgMeretricious
12. chordedWhisper - SP
13. Mroz4k - SP
14. Chilly1234 - SP
15. Imatreeant - SP
16. jakob12341

If your name is underlined bolded, you did not confirm if you slept peacefully or not yet. Please do so.

Also noting down Enorino, TheDavis2211 and xUltiix as people who have not yet contributed with anything apart of one, two comments early in D1. Guys, please pick it up - this game is only for those dedicated to respond often.

[Mroz4k]

Question for everyone: What roles do you think Mafia has? Barring into mind the reports of players so far. Lets at least try to remove the roles that are highly unlikely.
Also keep in mind that every Mafia role can choose to kill, not just Mafioso/Godfather. Though in this situation, its most likely Godfather who did the killing on N1.

Rolelist:
Godfather
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia



In my opinion, we dont have Janitor. If we did, Swords would have been cleaned. And assuming someone else doesnt claim roleblocked yet, Id also say its unlikely we have a Consort, since Godfather is most likely the one who did the killing.

Other then that, all the roles are possibility, Im afraid. My guess is that there is at least one Consigliere, so Id watch out for all TI claims. (since we have Mafia Support but its not Consort, that means Consig or Agent)

What bothers me is that nobody reported "witched" yet - thats something we want to know. I find that whole "didnt report witched" as a bad idea, honestly. Intel about witching helps us narrow down the pool of suspects.

IMO:
Spoiler: Rolelist:
Godfather
Mafia Support - Consig OR Agent
Random Mafia - No Janitor or Consort
Random Mafia - No Janitor or Consort

[Cenas4life]

When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?

[Mroz4k]

Okay, caught up with the Agent role card, and something dawned on me - that Agent is basically a Lookout for Mafia.

FOS MisaTange
FOS cgMeretricious

I have a feeling one of them might be the Agent, and both of them could easily be in Mafia. Thats why all the Lookout fishes - they might be setting up for a Lookout claim later on as an agent.

If someone targeted Sword because of experience, Mroz is probably a safe bet. Mroz is valuable for his experience and it's helpful how much he can structure a match, so protecting him is just about our best chance unless we have a lookout.. any other ideas guys?

I slept peacefully.

I think it's less "they're targetting the last people" and more targetting people that have pushed lynches on scum in previous games, even if they are qualified to be on the newbie queue (3 or less games). It's still worth getting a Lookout (if we have one)/TP on Aaron/Mroz. Also worth looking at previous games to see who mafia kills tonight (FM time).

If you´d like to comment on that one and explain your POV, feel free.

What does FOS mean?
Spoiler: Finger of suspicion. Its explained in the FM Terms, but if I were to explain it - its basically something you say if you consider someone´s comments/behaviour suspicious, you are alerting other players to monitor them. FOE would stand for Finger of elimination, which basically means you have a different lynch target but you would want this person to be hanged the next day.

Finger of suspicion = I found THIS about said person to be suspicious.

[Mroz4k]

When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?

That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.

If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.

[Cenas4life]

When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?

That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.

If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.

Ok thanks.

So also based on your assumptions, the mafia should have

Godfather
Consigilere
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer

Right?

[Mroz4k]

When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?

That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.

If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.

Ok thanks.

So also based on your assumptions, the mafia should have

Godfather
Consigilere
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer

Right?

Yea, but Im also starting to consider we might just have an Agent and no Consig, or we might have multiplied Mafia role - aka two Agents or Consigs. Its really difficult to predetermine yet.

[Cenas4life]

When I said how many in game days I meant it is day 2 now, when does the game usually end? Day 5? Day 6? Day 8?

That depends on the type of game as well, and also on how the game is going. Its hard to say. But from what I have seen, NFMs usually end around Day 6,7 because thats the time when Town usually looses majority. Its impossible to say, really.

If we lose some more Citizens, we might consider massclaiming around Day 4, and that would drastically improve the speed of the game.

Ok thanks.

So also based on your assumptions, the mafia should have

Godfather
Consigilere
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer
Agent, Prankster, Blackmailer, Disguiser, Framer

Right?

Yea, but Im also starting to consider we might just have an Agent and no Consig, or we might have multiplied Mafia role - aka two Agents or Consigs. Its really difficult to predetermine yet.

Yeah. I forget, can we have last wills in FM?

[Mroz4k]

Yeah. I forget, can we have last wills in FM?

Read the first three OPs and try to figure it out. It doesnt say it directly, though, but logically speaking Im pretty sure you can figure it out. Consider this a little training

[Imatreeant]

Okay, caught up with the Agent role card, and something dawned on me - that Agent is basically a Lookout for Mafia.

FOS MisaTange
FOS cgMeretricious

I have a feeling one of them might be the Agent, and both of them could easily be in Mafia. Thats why all the Lookout fishes - they might be setting up for a Lookout claim later on as an agent.

If someone targeted Sword because of experience, Mroz is probably a safe bet. Mroz is valuable for his experience and it's helpful how much he can structure a match, so protecting him is just about our best chance unless we have a lookout.. any other ideas guys?

I slept peacefully.

I think it's less "they're targetting the last people" and more targetting people that have pushed lynches on scum in previous games, even if they are qualified to be on the newbie queue (3 or less games). It's still worth getting a Lookout (if we have one)/TP on Aaron/Mroz. Also worth looking at previous games to see who mafia kills tonight (FM time).

If you´d like to comment on that one and explain your POV, feel free.

What does FOS mean?
Spoiler: Finger of suspicion. Its explained in the FM Terms, but if I were to explain it - its basically something you say if you consider someone´s comments/behaviour suspicious, you are alerting other players to monitor them. FOE would stand for Finger of elimination, which basically means you have a different lynch target but you would want this person to be hanged the next day.

Finger of suspicion = I found THIS about said person to be suspicious.

Isnt this a bit far fetched? In numberd games or so sure it would be worth a FOS, but as this is A NFM i dont think they are mafia

[MisaTange]

Okay, caught up with the Agent role card, and something dawned on me - that Agent is basically a Lookout for Mafia.

FOS MisaTange
FOS cgMeretricious

I have a feeling one of them might be the Agent, and both of them could easily be in Mafia. Thats why all the Lookout fishes - they might be setting up for a Lookout claim later on as an agent.

If someone targeted Sword because of experience, Mroz is probably a safe bet. Mroz is valuable for his experience and it's helpful how much he can structure a match, so protecting him is just about our best chance unless we have a lookout.. any other ideas guys?

I slept peacefully.

I think it's less "they're targetting the last people" and more targetting people that have pushed lynches on scum in previous games, even if they are qualified to be on the newbie queue (3 or less games). It's still worth getting a Lookout (if we have one)/TP on Aaron/Mroz. Also worth looking at previous games to see who mafia kills tonight (FM time).

If you´d like to comment on that one and explain your POV, feel free.

What does FOS mean?
Spoiler: Finger of suspicion. Its explained in the FM Terms, but if I were to explain it - its basically something you say if you consider someone´s comments/behaviour suspicious, you are alerting other players to monitor them. FOE would stand for Finger of elimination, which basically means you have a different lynch target but you would want this person to be hanged the next day.

Finger of suspicion = I found THIS about said person to be suspicious.

Yes -- as stated in day 1, this is my first Forum Mafia. A genuine newbie mistake -- this was before your post on "role fishing" -- I understand the importance of a possibility of a LO (since they're, as I like to call them, "faux-protectives"), as well both of y'all might be covered by WIFOM anyway.

[xUltiix]

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

[xUltiix]

Also noting down Enorino, TheDavis2211 and xUltiix as people who have not yet contributed with anything apart of one, two comments early in D1. Guys, please pick it up - this game is only for those dedicated to respond often.

My playstyle is to be active in watching but post less to avoid being targeted or suspicion falling on me. The guy who is being helpful and is giving tips to the newbies is much more likely to get targeted than the person who does not post as much and does not seem like a threat.

[xUltiix]

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

Also as an afterthought a prankster may have chosen to give me a roleblock message so I would be suspicious of a consort.

[KilledbySnow]

I slept peacefully.

Question for everyone: What roles do you think Mafia has? Barring into mind the reports of players so far. Lets at least try to remove the roles that are highly unlikely.
Also keep in mind that every Mafia role can choose to kill, not just Mafioso/Godfather. Though in this situation, its most likely Godfather who did the killing on N1.

Rolelist:
Godfather
Mafia Support
Random Mafia
Random Mafia



In my opinion, we dont have Janitor. If we did, Swords would have been cleaned. And assuming someone else doesnt claim roleblocked yet, Id also say its unlikely we have a Consort, since Godfather is most likely the one who did the killing.

Other then that, all the roles are possibility, Im afraid. My guess is that there is at least one Consigliere, so Id watch out for all TI claims. (since we have Mafia Support but its not Consort, that means Consig or Agent)

What bothers me is that nobody reported "witched" yet - thats something we want to know. I find that whole "didnt report witched" as a bad idea, honestly. Intel about witching helps us narrow down the pool of suspects.

IMO:
Spoiler: Rolelist:
Godfather
Mafia Support - Consig OR Agent
Random Mafia - No Janitor or Consort
Random Mafia - No Janitor or Consort

So we have GF,probably a Consort due to the RB on Ultiix,and the rest are so far unknown to us. We can only guess,anything is possible to happen. I don´t think there´s a Prankster,pranking a RB AND then having no other roleblocks would be kinda strange,don´t you think?

About Consig/Agent:I don´t really know how Agent works(Apparently some sort of Mafia LO),so that´s a big question mark for me. As for Consig,if we see a PR die this night,we could very well say that there´s a Consig....

[yauaustin202]

Fuck i gotta go read some stuff.
I slept peacefully by the way, i'm sorry because of school.

[jakob12341]

hey guys I slept peacefully.

Swordsworth died night 1 just as last time I played -_- (with him.....:/ and there I was an escort I think LOL doesn't matter)

So anyway, I can actually understand why the mafia would target Swords after he made that "joke" and also before that:

1. He's experienced (have talked about this before).
2. they might've been thinking, killing Swords would leave Mroz in a tighter situation (because of the joke). (guys it's just a theory so don't come up to me and say "FoS jakob12341 you said.....#reasonwhy?"cause that makes no sense to be doing)

but enough about that, moving on to the quote below:

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

Also as an afterthought a prankster may have chosen to give me a roleblock message so I would be suspicious of a consort.

of course mafia may have a consort after a roleblock or it could've been an escort, who roleblocked you (since N1 they usually just pick a random person because they lack info about them)

and I usually ignore D1 claims because it's stupid and might not be true + it could come to use later, if you say you hardclaim something else (for the town at the very least)
but never hardclaim Day 1 :/ (I'd only hardclaim as a vigilante who misfired at someone, because then we would get a confirmed town out of it.)


(Insert rockfire's mistake of making me suicide last game, here.)

[Imatreeant]

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

Wait..
You were serious?

[yauaustin202]

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

Wait..
You were serious?

^This.
I mean that was unexpected.

Anyways i have nothing of significance to talk about for now, i'll skim through ISOs again to make some theories.

[jakob12341]

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

Wait..
You were serious?

You can read that much, so I think since Ultii mentioned this a 2nd time it isn't a joke and they actually hardclaim doctor.

[Enorino]

How many mafias are there in this game?

[chordedWhisper]

How many mafias are there in this game?

OP says 4 Maf + Witch.

[chordedWhisper]

Speaking of which, provided that Town Invest is a Lookout, who should be placed on whom? Personally, I'd put my best bets on having TP on Mroz while (if we have one) Lookout on Aaron. I have a feeling that that's much more likely to work, but I can't really say much, being a newbie and all.

Thanks for this comment. This is quite typical example of "fishing". The way you worded that question it looks like you are trying to push the existence of "Lookout" as a possibility, trying to narrow down if we have one or not. Also generally the idea would be for the Lookout to go on the same person like the "TP" to be able to know who the Protective is, and when it comes down to massclaiming, they would know whom to trust.

There is nothing to be gained from assuming we have a Lookout, we might have one, we might not. If we base our night plans on existence of one we will be just giving someone a false hope.

But yea, this comment implies you are trying to look for the specifics about Town Investigative, possibly even their identity.

Also, why the heck would the Mafia go for Aaron specifically? Because he was the first to post this Day with something meaningful? Thats pretty weak motive.

There is no point in making night plans when the Day literally just started.

Thank you for the explanation. I had no idea fishing existed, so now I can keep this in mind.

Just curious, do you have any good tips on reads? I learned how to do proper reads in my first game but I'd like to know if there's anything I should be keeping in mind.

[Imatreeant]

Speaking of which, provided that Town Invest is a Lookout, who should be placed on whom? Personally, I'd put my best bets on having TP on Mroz while (if we have one) Lookout on Aaron. I have a feeling that that's much more likely to work, but I can't really say much, being a newbie and all.

Thanks for this comment. This is quite typical example of "fishing". The way you worded that question it looks like you are trying to push the existence of "Lookout" as a possibility, trying to narrow down if we have one or not. Also generally the idea would be for the Lookout to go on the same person like the "TP" to be able to know who the Protective is, and when it comes down to massclaiming, they would know whom to trust.

There is nothing to be gained from assuming we have a Lookout, we might have one, we might not. If we base our night plans on existence of one we will be just giving someone a false hope.

But yea, this comment implies you are trying to look for the specifics about Town Investigative, possibly even their identity.

Also, why the heck would the Mafia go for Aaron specifically? Because he was the first to post this Day with something meaningful? Thats pretty weak motive.

There is no point in making night plans when the Day literally just started.

Thank you for the explanation. I had no idea fishing existed, so now I can keep this in mind.

Just curious, do you have any good tips on reads? I learned how to do proper reads in my first game but I'd like to know if there's anything I should be keeping in mind.

well, try to read 9E
its better to learn how not to read than how to read

credits to Varanus for giving me this tip

[Mroz4k]

Isnt this a bit far fetched? In numberd games or so sure it would be worth a FOS, but as this is A NFM i dont think they are mafia

Not really, its just a theory and the FOS is there just to keep an eye out on it.

How many mafias are there in this game?

Go read the first three posts again.

About Consig/Agent:I don´t really know how Agent works(Apparently some sort of Mafia LO),so that´s a big question mark for me. As for Consig,if we see a PR die this night,we could very well say that there´s a Consig....

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Read those carefully, you will need to know these.

I was roleblocked last night.


Mafia may have a consort as I hardclaimed doctor day 1, and no smart escort would roleblock a doctor hardclaim.

That actually does not make much logical sense, because average Escort would not think you were a Doctor by hardclaiming a Doctor in your very first post. Please tell us you were joking and are not actually a Doctor... (if we all thought you were serious, I can quarantee you the Mafia would have gone for you instead) - so its actually genuinely possible an Escort blocked you. However if you really were roleblocked last night, then we should consider a possibility of Consort too.

Guess we will see tommorow if there are any more RB claims, if not I would put you down as potentional Witch or even a Mafia player.

Also noting down Enorino, TheDavis2211 and xUltiix as people who have not yet contributed with anything apart of one, two comments early in D1. Guys, please pick it up - this game is only for those dedicated to respond often.

My playstyle is to be active in watching but post less to avoid being targeted or suspicion falling on me. The guy who is being helpful and is giving tips to the newbies is much more likely to get targeted than the person who does not post as much and does not seem like a threat.

Thats a very bad mindset. If you are Town, you should be as active as possible. In fact not posting makes you a lot more suspicious, people will assume you are scum role trying to just fly under the radar. Town´s biggest weapon in FM is discussion - not contributing means you are not taking advantage of it. You should be as active as possible, because then again that makes you more likely to be protected.

Also first actual scumtell. You say you want to avoid being targeted, but if you were trying to do that, you would not have hardclaimed Doctor right away, putting all the attention on yourself. This two statements dont really go together. Please explain.