[Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Game Over [Town Wins]

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[Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Game Over [Town Wins]

Postby ObiWan » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:13 pm

Newcomer Forum Mafia


Please read the rules below fully.

General Rules:

  1. Be respectful. Should be self-explanatory. No tolerance against racial/homophobic/sexist remarks. If you feel this rule isn't being followed, PM me.
  2. Do not discuss the game outside of the thread unless otherwise stated.
  3. Do not quote any messages from / conversations with the moderator.
  4. Do not gamethrow. Always work towards your faction's goals.
  5. If you are inactive for more than 36 hours, you will receive a prod, and have 18 hours to reply. If you do not reply within 18 hours, you will be removed. However if your posts are found to not actually try to include content to futher the game, they will not count towards resetting the prod timer. Said content is evaluated under the moderator's discretion. You will be told if your post is valid or not.
  6. Quoting and then editing another player's post for the purpose of misleading is prohibited. Editing to simply cut down the post content to what is relevant is allowed.
  7. Be sure to look at ObiWan's Rules for more info, some of the rolecards that will be used and the ECO if you don't know how a situation is handled.
  8. Lastly, If you have any questions, feel free to ask the moderator. We'll be glad to answer any doubts you may have.

Invest Results:

Spoiler: Citizen/Godfather
Investigator/Consigliere/Medium/Janitor
Escort/Consort/Marshal/Agent
Lookout/Blackmailer/Witch
Sheriff/Disguiser/Veteran/Prankster
Doctor/Mafioso/Transporter
Bodyguard/Vigilante/Serial Killer
Framer


Sheriff Results:
Spoiler: Your target is Not Suspicious.
Your target is a member of the Mafia!
Your target is a Serial Killer!

Unique roles
Spoiler: Transporter, Veteran, Godfather, Mafioso, Witch.

Role Pairings
Spoiler: Town Investigative (Investigator/Lookout/Sheriff)
Town Protective (Marshal/Bodyguard/Doctor)
Town Support (Medium, Escort, Transporter)
Town Killing (Vigilante/Veteran)

Mafia Head (GodFather/Caporegime)
Mafia Tactical (Mafioso/Blackmailer)
Mafia Support (Consort/Consigliere/Agent)
Mafia Deception (Janitor, Framer, Disguiser, Prankster)
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Setting up

Postby ObiWan » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:18 pm

Rolelist:
Spoiler: Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Godfather
Mafia Support
Random Mafia


Serial Killer
Witch


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7. Ulteri0r Jordarrian
8. suckable
11. RetralMega
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13. DJVoxel Varanus
15. CAPTAINPHASMA123


Graveyard
9. FrancoisHollande - Killed by Mafia N1 - Citizen
6. Vader4587 - Killed by SK N1 - Marshal
16. mihail66 - Lynched D2 - Citizen
10. Lisq - Shot by Vig N2 - Lookout
3. chordedwhisper - Killed by Mafia N2 - Cleaned
1. Mace8937 - Killed by SK N2 - Bodyguard
14. alex1234321 - Lynched D3 - Serial Killer
2. npromin1 cookieclicker33 - Killed by Mafia N3 - cleaned

Timeline of Events
Day 2
Day 3

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Setting up

Postby ObiWan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:08 pm

Introduction and mechanics.

First of all, welcome to NFM. Some of you have already played before, while others are brand new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia), with, most of the time, a third-party (neutrals) trying to fulfill their own goals along the way. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-foward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team, and all neutrals with a night killing ability (Neutral Killings). While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • The former is when the players post on the game thread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. This is also when Whispers* are sent. The first day lasts 24 hours but no lynchs occur during it. The following days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player reaches majority, they are automatically lynched, there is no trial phase. When a player is lynched, they are immediately removed from the game, with their role and last will (if they have one) being shown to public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it (unless jailed). **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

*Note: There are no whispers present in this game.
Jailor may not role in this set-up


The game will only end once one of the major factions (or a NK) fulfills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending me the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
"NFM Last Will" for Last Wills.
"NFM Death Note" for Death Notes.
"NFM Night Action" for Night Actions.

Mafia Tactical is in play: Meaning - Any member of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
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Terminology.

General terms:

Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors.
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Last Will: A personal "diary", per see, in which the player may choose to write whatever they consider relevant. Automatically revealed upon death.

Slightly more uncommon terms:

FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.
IC - Inexperienced Challenged. A term used to describe the experienced players who sign up for NFMs as representatives.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

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Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night, the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to progress discussion in a fashion which will be benefitial to the town, try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post reads regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

Playing as Neutral

Witch is the only neutral available to roll. Their goal and play style is a mix between that of the Town and Mafia. They want to be actively hunting scum and trying to figure out who they win with and who they don't, applying one of the best night actions in the game accordingly; either to get into contact or to severely hinder. However they do not want to be getting scum lynched themselves, so they also have to play similar to the Mafia in the regard that they do want the town to be successful. Above all they need to look out for number 1; themselves.


Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

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For anything else, feel free to ask me in a PM, or in the thread, or take a look at the FM Main Hub.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1

Postby ObiWan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:22 pm

The king was angry ... who had wanted to kill him?? In his own city??
He was a kind king ... a good king. He was loved by all.
Or so he thought.

There was an evil, a plague of sorts, that came into the city the night before.
He awoke from his deep sleep in a panic. Someone held a knife to his throat.
Luckily, his guard saw the kings door wide open, and went to investigate.
An arrow was shot at the assassin, and he died.

Today, the king addresses everyone.

"Good evening ... ladies and gentlemen. Last night, I was almost assassinated."
The crowd gasped and worried whispers erupted.
"Someone wants me dead, and I do not know who ...
I will pay a great reward to those who slay these evil men from our great city.

Do not let me down!"


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Day 1 begins!

24 hours remain.

Day 1 will end on July 1st at 12:30PM Mountain time

Reminders
There is no lynching Day 1
If you have a specific question about your role, send me a PM.
If you have a specific question about a mechanic in the game, you may ask in the thread, or send me a PM.
You may send in Last Wills/Death notes at anytime, as long as you are alive. Make sure the subject is "NFM Last Will" and "NFM Death Note"

Heroes, introduce yourself to the town!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1

Postby npromin1 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:25 pm

Hi, I'm Npromin1, but you can call me N. Good luck to everyone!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby DJVoxel » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:28 pm

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Lisq » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:32 pm

Hello. I'm a fox. They say I like killing townies as TK but that's not true.

Npromin, vader - hi again! :)
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Unorthodox1337 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:34 pm

Good luck have fun everyone. I think this is my last NFM game, so I hope this goes well :3
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Unorthodox1337 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:34 pm

Lisq wrote:Hello. I'm a fox. They say I like killing townies as TK but that's not true.

Npromin, vader - hi again! :)


didn't want to bring this up, but since you mentioned it

You doused someone N1 in a NFM game as firebrand...
You shot someone as vig when you townread them :/
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby npromin1 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:39 pm

Lisq wrote:Hello. I'm a fox. They say I like killing townies as TK but that's not true.

Npromin, vader - hi again! :)


Hey, I would've done that if I were you too, don't worry.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Lexiam » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:07 pm

Beware of what you say, scum will use it to their advantage.

Anyways hi there, i am Vader, and you may read me as scum all you want cause thats how most people do in my past games
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby FrancoisHollande » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:20 pm

Me is lurking like a scum. :geek:
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:22 pm

Hello everyone. Let's get right down to business. First, here are a few questions:

1. How much experience do you have? Have you played FM before? Do you have ToS experience?

2. What are your thoughts about making reads during Day 1?

3. Are talking a lot, posting off topic, or barely posting at all scummy or non indicative?

4. When should we start to mass claim? Should we pick a specific day or just go with it?

5. Should we prioritize trying to find the Mafia or Serial Killer?


Here are my answers:

1. This is my third FM game. I was in NFM20 and am in NFM21. I also have ToS experience

2. Yes. Day 1 can easily be one of the most important days for setting a tone for the game and formulating early reads.

3. Talking a lot is not necessarily scummy, but I have seen scum talk a lot to appear Townlike. Posting off topic or not posting at all are scummy, as scum often try to derail the conversation or lurk.

4. I would say around Day 3, because it is not super early, but it is not going to be MyLo or anything. Things can change, so we may end up mass claiming earlier or later, though.

5. The Serial Killer, so we can lower the kill count. The Mafia are a bigger threat to us, but killing the Serial Killer early will give us more time to find the Mafia.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Lexiam » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:33 pm

alex1234321 wrote:Hello everyone. Let's get right down to business. First, here are a few questions:

1. How much experience do you have? Have you played FM before? Do you have ToS experience?

2. What are your thoughts about making reads during Day 1?

3. Are talking a lot, posting off topic, or barely posting at all scummy or non indicative?

4. When should we start to mass claim? Should we pick a specific day or just go with it?

5. Should we prioritize trying to find the Mafia or Serial Killer?


Here are my answers:

1. This is my third FM game. I was in NFM20 and am in NFM21. I also have ToS experience

2. Yes. Day 1 can easily be one of the most important days for setting a tone for the game and formulating early reads.

3. Talking a lot is not necessarily scummy, but I have seen scum talk a lot to appear Townlike. Posting off topic or not posting at all are scummy, as scum often try to derail the conversation or lurk.

4. I would say around Day 3, because it is not super early, but it is not going to be MyLo or anything. Things can change, so we may end up mass claiming earlier or later, though.

5. The Serial Killer, so we can lower the kill count. The Mafia are a bigger threat to us, but killing the Serial Killer early will give us more time to find the Mafia.


The answer on 3 is not true for me, look at SFM17, i lurked and was town. Also in NFM17 i lurked and was mafia. So lurking is not scummy the way i see it. My answers are below

1. 12 games including this one while 3 are ongoing for me cause 1 of them doesnt count for a game.

2. I sometimes make reads on day 1 to choose my action if i have one.

3. For me, i think posting offtopic is scummy

4. We should massclaim when were are in a situation of a MyLo or LyLo

5. I agree the SK needs to be our top priority to get rid of to get rid of 2 kills per night.

Also I wanna ask you all how are gonna deal with Janitor if its in this game?
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby TheForgot3n1 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:43 pm

By the way
Witch is the only neutral available to roll.

This is false in the introduction thing! It's no big deal just mentioning! We have SK as well. Don't know if anyone really needs helping.

alex1234321 wrote:Hello everyone. Let's get right down to business. First, here are a few questions:

1. How much experience do you have? Have you played FM before? Do you have ToS experience?

2. What are your thoughts about making reads during Day 1?

3. Are talking a lot, posting off topic, or barely posting at all scummy or non indicative?

4. When should we start to mass claim? Should we pick a specific day or just go with it?

5. Should we prioritize trying to find the Mafia or Serial Killer?


Answers:
1. Played a lot of ToS. Also played NFM 5 (WHICH I WAS LAST MAN STANDING!!! :D).

2. To be honest I find it kind of boring and annoying, especially when it becomes ridiculously long, it feels like fluff with nothing real to base assumptions on. But I am also not a ToS veteran, so I might just not see the value of D1. Simple questions like these are fun to answer though, so you can shoot me anything you like. This NFM I have a lot more free time. :)

4. I think really early. Again, it's ToS mindset, but an early massclaim will quickly limit the amount of claim space for scum.
Just realized how random the role list is. Three randoms + a huge amount of citizens. I'll stay quiet on this point for now. Though I really wonder how a FM Day1 massclaim would be like :D (still feels like an advantage to Town).

5. Uh, I mean we get what we can get. Obviously if SK is found then we prioritize him, but we will now often be able to choose. Be aware of SK being necessary for town to have a chance (smth like 4 town vs 3 mafia and SK).

Skipped over 3. by accident. But yeah, be on topic. It's just annoying otherwise, no matter your alignment (also a bit scummy yeah).
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby mihail66 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:06 pm

Ok hello everyone this is my first FM game, but I have ToS experience(around 100 ranked games, guessing badies 50-60% chance). Personally i think this is a lot harder than a usual ToS game. In one game day you see the chat, when the message is posted, but in FM you must make calculations. I like that the lynching system is so much simpler.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby RetralMega » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:17 pm

Hello! I look forward to trying this rolelist.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Unorthodox1337 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:35 pm

alex1234321 wrote:Hello everyone. Let's get right down to business. First, here are a few questions:

1. How much experience do you have? Have you played FM before? Do you have ToS experience?

2. What are your thoughts about making reads during Day 1?

3. Are talking a lot, posting off topic, or barely posting at all scummy or non indicative?

4. When should we start to mass claim? Should we pick a specific day or just go with it?

5. Should we prioritize trying to find the Mafia or Serial Killer?


Here are my answers:

1. This is my third FM game. I was in NFM20 and am in NFM21. I also have ToS experience

2. Yes. Day 1 can easily be one of the most important days for setting a tone for the game and formulating early reads.

3. Talking a lot is not necessarily scummy, but I have seen scum talk a lot to appear Townlike. Posting off topic or not posting at all are scummy, as scum often try to derail the conversation or lurk.

4. I would say around Day 3, because it is not super early, but it is not going to be MyLo or anything. Things can change, so we may end up mass claiming earlier or later, though.

5. The Serial Killer, so we can lower the kill count. The Mafia are a bigger threat to us, but killing the Serial Killer early will give us more time to find the Mafia.


Jesus christ not this again.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Unorthodox1337 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:37 pm

RetralMega wrote:Hello! I look forward to trying this rolelist.


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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:06 pm

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby CAPTAINPHASMA123 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:12 pm

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:26 pm

CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:Claiming RT

This seems scummy to me. Claiming an alignment, but not a role, especially Random Town, seems very scummy. Of course, it is Day 1, so you are probably joking. The fact that you would try to derail the conversation with jokes is scummy in an of itself, though.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby RetralMega » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:31 pm

alex1234321 wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:Claiming RT

This seems scummy to me. Claiming an alignment, but not a role, especially Random Town, seems very scummy. Of course, it is Day 1, so you are probably joking. The fact that you would try to derail the conversation with jokes is scummy in an of itself, though.

Yeah, but it's D1.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:47 pm

RetralMega wrote:
alex1234321 wrote:
CAPTAINPHASMA123 wrote:Claiming RT

This seems scummy to me. Claiming an alignment, but not a role, especially Random Town, seems very scummy. Of course, it is Day 1, so you are probably joking. The fact that you would try to derail the conversation with jokes is scummy in an of itself, though.

Yeah, but it's D1.

I personally think that Day 1 should be taken seriously. I know that he was almost definitely joking, but he should not be derailing the conversation like that. Also, what are your answers to my questions?
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM23 | Day 1 [Don't be Shy]

Postby Lisq » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:55 pm

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Lisq wrote:Hello. I'm a fox. They say I like killing townies as TK but that's not true.

Npromin, vader - hi again! :)


didn't want to bring this up, but since you mentioned it

You doused someone N1 in a NFM game as firebrand...
You shot someone as vig when you townread them :/


yes i doused and what? there were 5% chances on getting killed by a BG. And I died.
next game - I died from a BG once again when there were like 15 people left. That's just a freaking bad luck.

i didnt townread, what are you talking about
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