10C (MC) | Matrix Reloaded | Game Over (Mafia/Witch Win)

[ICECLIMBERS]

I thought K1ll was claiming jailkeeper who thought that the role prevented witchings which is why I explicitly mentioned that it didn't.

[ramer93]

Ahh. Was that why you thought C1 rolled over D3, or was that a consequence of it?

[Sevohaseth]

I kept bringing up K1ll's comment about Lone lying. In K1ll's read lists, he put Lone at town which really confused me and made me believe it was a reaction test. One of the things I'm most salty about is that we didn't lynch Lone d2.

[ICECLIMBERS]

Ahh. Was that why you thought C1 rolled over D3, or was that a consequence of it?

C1 was the more likely option so I just figured it was what rolled without reconsideration. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Arcthurus]

I kept bringing up K1ll's comment about Lone lying. In K1ll's read lists, he put Lone at town which really confused me and made me believe it was a reaction test. One of the things I'm most salty about is that we didn't lynch Lone d2.

Are you sure you aren't looking at D1 readslist/a D2 readslist made before Lone posted his results?

Ahh. Was that why you thought C1 rolled over D3, or was that a consequence of it?

C1 was the more likely option so I just figured it was what rolled without reconsideration. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was?

[Arcthurus]

Arc give me my own personal review

Can I do it some other time? I'm pretty tired right now. It's past midnight, and I realize I've not had dinner yet.




What would you guys change, if anything, about the setup?
I'm aware there were some comments like LoF's, but i want to hear from the most people possible. Was this game fun? What did you enjoy the most? The least(activity aside)? Would you sign up for this game again?

[Sevohaseth]

I kept bringing up K1ll's comment about Lone lying. In K1ll's read lists, he put Lone at town which really confused me and made me believe it was a reaction test. One of the things I'm most salty about is that we didn't lynch Lone d2.

Are you sure you aren't looking at D1 readslist/a D2 readslist made before Lone posted his results?

Positive. Otherwise I would've pushed Lone instead of ICE.

K1ll: Lone is lying
Lone is null in list
Lone moves up in list
Lone is now in top-town list and remains there for all future reads

It took Phasma revealing as tracker for me to go back to scum-read Lone. I was reading K1ll as tracker when he said Lone was lying and immediately thought they were Janitor that I scared. Then K1ll town-read them, so I assumed it was a test. Once Phasma revealed as tracker, I went back to my original read. This whole thing also tied into my protecting Lone, along with Lone's ISO looking less scummy than almost everyone else.

[Arcthurus]

Huh.
K1ll you're getting a review from Sevohaseth now, instead.
Looks like you already lost a couple of points. Tsc tsc.

[Sevohaseth]

P.S. I really want to know what K1ll is going on about.. I have an idea what it might be but will wait to see.

Queue my salt levels rising at never getting a response.

[LordofFail]

@Arc

I almost claimed Marshal. I was heavily considering it, but opted instead to claim Citizen because had I claimed a PR, Mafia would have killed my counterclaimer, revealing me as SK. I claimed Citizen because it provided more claim cover and was hoping that mafia wouldn't try to bus me during the day and let me kill another townie, because at the time I could have been witch. I also considered claiming Vig, but I never would have shot Jammy so it never would have worked.

[LordofFail]

I'm surprised everyone ignored K1ll after they said Lone was lying, that was pratically a Tracker/Sheriff claim.

This is k1ll we are talking about. I was fairly certain that this was just a reaction test (even though they denied it, but why would you reveal your own reaction test? Hell, I only asked if it was a reaction test for towncred).

[Arcthurus]

Mafia killing the marshal at night would be a bad idea. Again you were not confirmed sk.
Pushing the marshal lynch, on the other hand, would be a bit more sensible. You'd still be outed, but mafia would have majority at that point most likely so it would matter less. You'd have to work it out then with town.

[ramer93]

What would you guys change, if anything, about the setup?
I'm aware there were some comments like LoF's, but i want to hear from the most people possible. Was this game fun? What did you enjoy the most? The least(activity aside)? Would you sign up for this game again?

Make it 3D :^)
One axis for Mafia Head and one for Mafia Basic was pretty nice, but I lament the lack of Mafia Tactical on our team. It's understandably difficult to include on an axis as an alignment with only two roles (I think) so unless something else can fit here (Caporegime?) I would not expect it to be a part of the Matrix itself. That being said, should you make another Matrix game with a larger player list and a four-person Mafia then having Mafia Tactical as part of the base could balance out my other suggestion:

Include a Random Town somewhere. The Neutrals don't really have any claimspace outside the Citizens as it is, particularly the one that doesnt win with Mafia. Maybe include it in the base in place for a Citizen slot, maybe expand the Matrix and insert it in like Citizen was guaranteed in 7H and have specific sub-alignments. Like 1b is TP, 2a is TI, 3d is TS, and 4c is TK in a 4x4.

[PurpleSidewalk1]

What would you guys change, if anything, about the setup?

Some of the stuff the Matrix is a bit wonky. Look at D2: Parity Cop is a weak TI, Marshal is a weak TP, Sheriff is a weak TI, Doctor is the second weakest TP, Bulletproof doesn't seem like a very strong role. Medium is a hard counter to Janitor, but consider if Medium happens to die N1. Town would be somewhat screwed.

Another thing that can throw off the whole Matrix aspect of the game is the NE and NK randomness. It doesn't interact with the rest of the Matrix and it can have massive impacts on the balance of the game. Having a Sheriff and an Arso favours scum much more than a Sheriff and an SK. The issue is that the game should be balanced regardless what the Matrix rolls as so maybe have the NK and NE having some direct interaction with the Matrix.

Was this game fun? What did you enjoy the most? The least(activity aside)? Would you sign up for this game again?

Yeah the game was fun. I enjoyed the information gained from who knew that D3 was a possibility and who didn't. I didn't like the way I played on the last day I made a bunch of dumb mistakes and ended up tunneling LoF when in hindsight lynching a Mafia member was much better than lynching LoF. Another thing I didn't like was the Vig play, but I won't complain about that because I don't want to be a jerk. I would 100% sign up for this again.

[frop418]

How is this only 53 pages long

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

How is this only 53 pages long

Because town fucked up