[Newcomer FM] NFM 21 | Mafia and Witch Win! (Gullible)

[cimbraien]

Oh my god did you seriously just ask that. If you don't know the answer just get a replacement.
On my phone so can't reply to all of your other posts yet.

Chill, this is NFM, and yes, I doubt my answer either, because I'm not experienced at all in FM.

From my experience from ToS, I probably would tell I was witched if I'm town, but not when I'm scum.

[yauaustin202]

Oh my god did you seriously just ask that. If you don't know the answer just get a replacement.
On my phone so can't reply to all of your other posts yet.

Chill down dude, its nfm, people are INEXPERIENCED. Anyways if you're a townie you should never hide info from town, thats the scummie's job.

[oliy]

This is a catchup wall.
It's how I tend to catch up on games.
They share my opinions and responses.
Spoiler:

The emphasis on the "single line" part somewhat makes me think there's a defense there.

I'm not really seeing what you mean here. Can you elaborate further on it, please?

Eh, it looked like you were trying to emphasize that there's a push on nothing and it looks like a little bit of a soft defense from scum perspective.

I think that he is scum. Anyone who goes the extra mile to even announce that they will not post is scummy. He could be a Townie who is scared to be scumread, but he is probably just scum who does not want to scumslip. I will check if he goes online. If he does, then it would seem more scummy, because he could just be busy. Here are a few new questions:

1. What are your thoughts on Unorthodox's post?

2. When should we start massclaiming?

3. Do we need to have a trustable Town Leader?

I already made my comments on all of them. We should start massclaiming around Day 3, which is not too early, but it is also not going to be MyLo or anything. Also, I said that we need someone who we can trust to lead the Town. If an experienced player is a confirmed Town role, they should consider revealing earlier. If anyone is Transporter, they should reveal early.

Its not scummy if he doesn't come online. He's informing us about what he's doing, which isn't alignment indicative.
Nonononono it tells more to scum than town, especially at this state.
No, we can be communist ^_^ General reads are just pushed, and people making pushes against a town member are seen as scum. Town leaders can screw up reads, but it doesn't tell is anything that way.

Okay, unorthodox made a defense, but he pushed attention onto his accusers, which is scummy. He also didn't respond to my questions '^' Not confident in his lynch tomorrow, nor should we focus on him all the time, but it's there.

Alex just stop pushing on that, it's not scummy.

 if I'm town,

inb4 scumslip ;o

Oliy, how can you be in a NFM game when you have 19 games played already?

Well that's random
Experienced players are a thing :\

Oh...I just woke up and reading 4 pages of forum's hurting my brain

You're ot alone buddy, I too just woke up and trying to hard keeping on the topic.

First, to clarify, it's my first FM game, I'm hoping for lots of mentoring here.

Alex is more likely trying to hard to proof himself as a town member, which usually done by scum in early game IMO.

No he wouldn't want the early attention of a push if he was scum.

So, you guys... do remember this is NFM right? Throwing acusations right off the bat off 1 line that someone said ON A 24 HOUR DAY 1!!?!? Is not a good idea. We're suppose to be helping each other out on somethings that some other people don't understand, like... Why? Anyways, About the Alex&Trump vs Unorthodox thing...

I. Don't. Even. Know.
I'm serious, this is just stupid behavior on my eyes. The thing that sparked a scumread off you guys is: Hi guys, nothing usually happens the first 24 hours of the game, so i'm not gonna be postin cuz it's SAT TEST TIME.
It could be T&TvsT or S&SvsT, or even S&TvsT because of someone who is sheeping a scum. This is NFM, people are unperdictable as fuck.

P.S: Sorry if my post didn't contribute anything to the conversation, i fucking suck at this game. Look at my last games, when i'm town, evertime got scumread.

This post is incredibly scummy :\
Anti discussion, fencesitting, self-promotion, and floundering aaaaa

Hey I made this on a phone you can too ._.

@Yau No, some town have to keep information a secret. Being scared off by Marshals, some investigation results randomly, revealing roles, this stays hidden until massclaim.


Townreading Alex
Townreading Dankald
Townreading Sarah
Slightly scumreading Unorthodox
Null-scumreading Yau

Order is Strong>Minor>Slight>Null-alignment>Null

[yauaustin202]

ACHIVEMENT UNLOCKED: "You're a born Jester!"(Get scumread everytime when you're town, and the one time you're scum, get townread.)

[oliy]

Yau please stop the self-promotion.

[Unorthodox1337]

Yau please stop the self-promotion.

What is self promotion?

[oliy]

When you promote yourself as town without actually doing something for the town.
Often associated with floundering, which is acting weak and unsure what to do.

[yauaustin202]

When you promote yourself as town without actually doing something for the town.
Often associated with floundering, which is acting weak and unsure what to do.

I am unsure of what to do actually, thank you very much :V

[oliy]

Join in discussion rather than saying "I'm getting scumread as town."
Here are some questions:
Do you think Alex's push was townlike?
What's your read on Unorthodox?
Do you feel ashamed for not winning as the role I was hoping would win in 9E ;>; (You were the Klepto, right?)
Is there anyone that's striking you as town right now?
Should Imvestigatives reveal their results if someone about to be lynched had a town result on them?
Who would be our best lynch tommorow to gain associations?

[yauaustin202]

Join in discussion rather than saying "I'm getting scumread as town."
Here are some questions:
Do you think Alex's push was townlike?
What's your read on Unorthodox?
Do you feel ashamed for not winning as the role I was hoping would win in 9E ;>; (You were the Klepto, right?)
Is there anyone that's striking you as town right now?
Should Imvestigatives reveal their results if someone about to be lynched had a town result on them?
Who would be our best lynch tommorow to gain associations?

Thank god 4 that. Still suck tho:
1. No. Wtf. That was as non-sensical as it gets, as i said before in an earlier post, saying "I won't be here" is not the same as "I am scum and i will not be here."
2. Striking as town for me, for me, townies gets defensive when accused, scums counter argues instead, he's being as much of a town as i think he could be right now.
3. Sigh, gets towncred for something i didn't even mean to do, then misplay so hard that it rivals the *ahem* one witch that claimed multiple roles and get lynch that recently poped-up, you can figure that out yourself.
4. Point 2.
5. Depends, power role or no power role. And this role list has the possibility of disguiser right? So we got that considered. But, imo, they shouldn't reveal since it would not be certain.
6. I recommend going tomorow's night results first, then we talk.

[oliy]

Anyone else striking you as town?
Didn't Unorthodox counter-argue though?
Don't neutrals get over-defensive as they cannot risk death?
So an outed town isn't worth another town's life?
What would night results do, especially considering investigatives won't out themselves?

[yauaustin202]

Anyone else striking you as town?
Didn't Unorthodox counter-argue though?
Don't neutrals get over-defensive as they cannot risk death?
So an outed town isn't worth another town's life?
What would night results do, especially considering investigatives won't out themselves?

1. Not yet.
2. I meant like giving a reason and forget about it, i suck at wording =-=
3. Point 2, scums. Except jesters tho, they fuck with town.
4. Told you, Depends, power or not, comfirmable or not, sure or not :V
5. Some might die, some might change our piorities, and i'm not confident enough yet, as i said in 9E, I'm a passive guy. I'm still learning and really bad.

[oliy]

One more question:
Do you love me
Which is more important:
Voting majority or night actions?

[HappyMatt369]

One more question:
Do you love me
Which is more important:
Voting majority or night actions?

Both, actually. Town cannot knock off scum without majority, but you need night actions to get information. However, this is FM, and so it's easier to make reads than in TOS

[yauaustin202]

One more question:
Do you love me
Which is more important:
Voting majority or night actions?

I LOVE YOU LINK, YOU'RE FUCKING AWESOME! wait, that person over on that screen is not link? WHAT THE FU-

Majority, if we have voting majority, even if it's like 5 cits vs 1 sk and 2 mafia, we can still win! Majority is litterally the win condition of this game :V

[oliy]

Would you like to change your answer to any of the previous questions?

[yauaustin202]

Would you like to change your answer to any of the previous questions?

What is this a forum tennis match? I'm answering and questions keep popping up
No, i wonder why?

[oliy]

Okay, I think Yau is scum.
Why? He said he doesn't want an investigative with knowing information to out themselves in a process of lynching a townie. However, he went with the option of wanting Majority when directly asked the question, contradicting himself for towncred while having malicious intent.
Also, throughout this, there's constant floundering and unwillingness to make reads.
Finally, there's just lots of flip-flipping in general without admittance, which makes it looks like be wants to look as townlike as he can.
I'd make a great lawyer :^)

Also, Happy, which one is more important to you? Both are good, yes, but if you had to pick one.

[yauaustin202]

Okay, I think Yau is scum.
Why? He said he doesn't want an investigative with knowing information to out themselves in a process of lynching a townie. However, he went with the option of wanting Majority when directly asked the question, contradicting himself for towncred while having malicious intent.
Also, throughout this, there's constant floundering and unwillingness to make reads.
Finally, there's just lots of flip-flipping in general without admittance, which makes it looks like be wants to look as townlike as he can.
I'd make a great lawyer :^)

Also, Happy, which one is more important to you? Both are good, yes, but if you had to pick one.

*facepalm*
HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW WHO IS THAT PERSON WE'RE LYNCHING IS TOWNIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[oliy]

I stated that in the question :\

Should Imvestigatives reveal their results if someone about to be lynched had a town result on them?

[Unorthodox1337]

Final responses to alex:
Spoiler:

Good morning. Unorthodox, I understand that Dankald and I have been scumreading you for one line, but that is not the problem. Your vulgar response to your accusations disturbed me. Then, you said that you do not swear that much, so the fact that you sweared so much in that response makes me scumread you. Cimbraien, I am trying to set the tone for the game, not to prove myself as a Townie. Also, Dankald's post at the beginning of the page states my opinions on Unorthodox perfectly.

That's fucking stupid. The tone you're setting is to launch accusations without merit, and spam chat up for others. God. You're like the jailor who executes the N2 spy claim in TOS.

Good morning. Unorthodox, I understand that Dankald and I have been scumreading you for one line, but that is not the problem. Your vulgar response to your accusations disturbed me. Then, you said that you do not swear that much, so the fact that you sweared so much in that response makes me scumread you. Cimbraien, I am trying to set the tone for the game, not to prove myself as a Townie. Also, Dankald's post at the beginning of the page states my opinions on Unorthodox perfectly.

Being pissed when you get scumread isn't always indicative of being scum, especially amongst new players. I got pissed off when I got scumread in NFM17 and I was a Citizen.

Just because two people scumread you does not mean that you use such vulgar language, but I have moved my read on him from moderate scumread to slight.

So your read on me went from very inaccurate to inaccurate. Nice!

Oh god this took forever. Let's do this boys.

BTW I will not be posting on Day 1 anymore.

Ok, ok. This comment sparked a HUGE argument.
We don't need to go crazy over this one comment.
People need to do other things, you know?
But not posting at all is a bit weird.

I think that this post is not much of a problem, but as I have said like five times, I am now scumreading because of his vulgar response to our accusations. Now, let's talk about strategies. First, if you are witched, should you say it?

So whenever someone hurts your feelings in life you think they're not good? Okay!
Following this post up with an answer cause I'm honestly afraid you might not know: of course.
From now on I will ignore anything Alex says unless he claims a role or provides concrete evidence.

Anyone else striking you as town?
Didn't Unorthodox counter-argue though?
Don't neutrals get over-defensive as they cannot risk death?
So an outed town isn't worth another town's life?
What would night results do, especially considering investigatives won't out themselves?

You're starting a real discussion, so I'll respond.

1. Don't want to answer that at that moment.
2. Yea cause all of their points were just stupid.
3. Mhm
4. So that question is also useless. It 100% depends on the situation.
5. Night results would decrease possibilities. Investigatives could find something useful.

Okay, I think Yau is scum.
Why? He said he doesn't want an investigative with knowing information to out themselves in a process of lynching a townie. However, he went with the option of wanting Majority when directly asked the question, contradicting himself for towncred while having malicious intent.
Also, throughout this, there's constant floundering and unwillingness to make reads.
Finally, there's just lots of flip-flipping in general without admittance, which makes it looks like be wants to look as townlike as he can.
I'd make a great lawyer :^)

Also, Happy, which one is more important to you? Both are good, yes, but if you had to pick one.

No lol you asking abstract questions to this new player does not prove anything.
Why can't he be afraid of the investigator being killed? What about the thousands of fucking possibilities?
And no shit you want majority... do you know what happens when town loses majority? We lose.

Nevertheless, the fencesitting is a bit odd. However, it's not scumworthy yet IMO as he's a new player. In NFM20 I fencesitted early on because there was no evidence regarding who was what. Therefore, I didn't want anything distorted nor information twisted. He was just summarizing what happened basically.
The only thing that makes him suspicious IMO is his shitposting. However, he says that his native language is not English so it could be just that.

[alex1234321]

Join in discussion rather than saying "I'm getting scumread as town."
Here are some questions:
Do you think Alex's push was townlike?
What's your read on Unorthodox?
Do you feel ashamed for not winning as the role I was hoping would win in 9E ;>; (You were the Klepto, right?)
Is there anyone that's striking you as town right now?
Should Imvestigatives reveal their results if someone about to be lynched had a town result on them?
Who would be our best lynch tommorow to gain associations?

1. I can not really answer that.
2. I have a slight scumread, because of his vulgar response to accusations. Townies would probably stay calmer.
3. I was not in 9E.
4. I have a null townread on Sarah, and slight townreads on oliy and Dankald. I have a null scumread on yau and a slight scumread on Unorthodox.
5. What does this mean?
6. Probably Unorthodox, but we might gather evidence against others, so I can not really tell. If Unorthodox turns out to be scum, then I would suspect yau, as he defended Unorthodox.

[Unorthodox1337]

I stated that in the question :\

Should Imvestigatives reveal their results if someone about to be lynched had a town result on them?

There are town/evil investigative results on everything. That question is stupid aswell.

[Unorthodox1337]

Also, what does IC stand for and does null-read mean neutral?

[Unorthodox1337]

Day ends in 2 hours. Hopefully we can get through without more shitposts.