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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby RetralMega » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:35 am

ElusiveBelle wrote:My reaction wasn't bad >.> At least trying to keep town on track since nobody is talking much on what to do.

We need bomber suspect lists from everyone, not just names. State why and be thorough

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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby RetralMega » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:38 am

Jordarrian wrote:
Alzar wrote:i hate every single persons reactions today thanks guys

I actually had a joke in this scenario, but judging my position from D2 that wasn't the best thing to do

I say go for it.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:38 am

Jordarrian wrote:
Alzar wrote:i hate every single persons reactions today thanks guys

I actually had a joke in this scenario, but judging my position from D2 that wasn't the best thing to do

I don't think it could put you in any worse a position.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Alzar » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:44 am

JackoDerp wrote:
Alzar wrote:i hate every single persons reactions today thanks guys


????

What did you want me to do? Scream and shout and wave all about?

what

no im referring mostly to chubby flipping the fuck out and screaming that he didn't know bomber was immune and that everything was doomed
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:48 am

Alzar wrote:
JackoDerp wrote:
Alzar wrote:i hate every single persons reactions today thanks guys


????

What did you want me to do? Scream and shout and wave all about?

what

no im referring mostly to chubby flipping the fuck out and screaming that he didn't know bomber was immune and that everything was doomed

:?

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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:50 am

Jordarrian wrote:Just noticing Chubby's bomber reads are just scumreads. Chubby... You have to be more specific on how me, Vucub, or ronit could be a bomber

ugh fine


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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:54 am

In regards to Retral, I'm on my phone. I intend to post a list when I get to my laptop. May as well get everyone mobilized in the mean time
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby datdownie » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:56 am

At this point, I have no clue who'd possibly be the bomber. Nothing is adding up, so I'll just browse the ISOs to see if anything's off.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:09 pm

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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:42 pm

RetralMega wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:The signaling doesn't make sense if he was not targeted by mafia, they would have no way to have a signal for them to know to respond to and then be messaged about.

I doubt Arckas is mafia, it is likely moreso mafia trying to frame them.

He could be Mafia and framed anyway to look innocent.
But all we know is that he was framed.

Our main concern is figuring out who the Bomber is.


I disagree. We can't drop everything to focus on the Bomber and, if it comes down to it, Mafia will help us. This is not like 9A.

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ElusiveBelle wrote:I do want a mass claim today, given what is known I can't see this not going well.

We have 18 players, 6 scum with only one death per night. We'll have all the counter claims and excess citizens lynched before they can win.
We need to find the bomber now and shortening the list on whom it can be sooner rather than later will help town secure this.

Mass claiming today is a bad idea. Not only, theorizing we have one protective, will the protective be exposed, we are more likely to mislynch. You say "lynch all extra cit claims" but Bomber and Witch will mot likely fake claim PR's. Town would be completely exposed after one night. Even if we have TWO protectives, one will most likely be killed or an invest will be because they either protect the TI's or each other.

So yeah, it really wouldn't help mass claiming today.


Agreed. Given we are dealing with a Janitor, the time for mass claiming should have been on D1. We are long past that.

Alzar wrote:Really? I haven't played in a year, and Jailors were doing the "mark a category instead of a specific role" thing for a while. Things probably changed, then.


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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby VucubCaquix » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:59 pm

I agree with a role claim. Protectives are overrated, they rely on luck and wifom. Our investigatives can both be messed with since they're exposed. Instead of putting the game into the hands of fate it would be better to get all our information out in a big pile to enhance our probability of winning. Reads will have to do the rest.

Instead of having the TK claim TK, which leaves the possibility that the witch will just yolo it since they have little chance of winning anyway and can't win with the bomber, and could waste the ability of either town killing, we should do this:

Vig: Claim citizen
Vet: Claim town protective

This plan:
-adds a risk element for mafia attacking protectives
-Hides vig from witch among citizens and fake citizens, and they will likely not go after the vig at all.

It's the ideal defense against evil doers everywhere. TK should be reserved for someone who is pressured into a lynch. (And should be given with 24 hours notice before day ends if the TK is a target)
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby EvilDeanius0 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:08 pm

I don't have specific Bomber reads (I don't really know where to start), I only have scum reads.

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I like his posts so far, he seems to be calling out obvious grabs at town-cred.

TiltedComedian - Slight Town
I don't think Tilted V Jord can be TvT at this point, of the two I would lean Tilted being more town

Santa07 - Null
Hasn't said alot other than reads and what he has said other than that isn't alignment indicative, so null for now.

Jordarrian - Slight Scum
I don't think Tilted V Jord can be TvT at this point, Jord seems scummier but he usually is kinda scummy as town.

Neasans/Chubby - Moderate Town
Neasans was pretty town to me and Chubby seems to be keeping that up.

Gobln/Retral - Strong Town
I can't see him faking the invest claim like this. Possibly Consig but most likely he is invest.

Datdownie - Slight Scum
Seemed to be doubtcasting on the spy claim very early on, and their reads didn't have much explanation behind them.

Jackoderp - Slight Scum
Seems to be repeating a lot of popular or obvious opinions, to me it seems like attempts to grab town-cred.

Hippophant - Null
Weak reads and very little contribution, but what they do have seems to be town motivated. Remaining null for now.

Alzar - Strong Town
His spy results have been semi-proven with the attack on Leyva, meaning he is either spy or mafia, claiming that early as mafia doesn't seem like the smartest move.

ElusiveBelle - Moderate Town
Very active in discussion and scumhunting, my only worry is that they're good at hiding scum motivation for their actions. Town atm but we'll see.

Nellyfox - Moderate Town
Can't see them as GF, so unless they're scum with Retral, they're Cit.

Cmitc1 - Null
Some scummy posts and some town posts. Can't make up my mind on this one either.

VucubCaquix - Slight Scum
Alot of what they're saying seems to be attempting to look like town, when in reality not providing that much. Could be bomber because nobody seems to be defending them?

Swordsworth - Slight Town
Confirmed not mafia due to RB (unless someone who hasn't spoken today CCs), pointing out some scummy posts. Seems to be town atm.

Arckas - Moderate Scum
Came up as framer according to Retral, but was visited by mafia. They must have been framed, but I could easily see fellow mafia framing them. The only problem with this is that he claimed witched, so I still have a slight reservation about this.

Murat1996 - Null
Some of his posts say slight scum, but his meta screams town. This seems like his town play, but I'm putting null for now.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:16 pm

Pertaining to the mass claiming and such, with what we know and all our information out in the open it is clear the lynch wont be as clear cut as it was yesterday. With that said that means town should be doing what they can to prevent a mislynch and loss to the Bomber and mafia simultaneously. To do that and with the lack of information a mass claim would at least get us on the right track.

Personally I don't think the TK would need to lie about their role as a veteran can just not go on alert, it's not like town members will visit them anyways, even if sent by the witch it isn't like mafia have time to waste a night attacking the veteran when we have an escort, town protect, and town investigatives to deal with. Letting them save their vests for late game.

With a Vigilante they can just be roleblocked anyways thus nullifying the witch threat regardless. The only issue with this would be if Salense was the Escort, but that can be solved pretty easily to find out or not.

So with a mass claim it forces the mafia and witch to try and take out the Town protect first, while escort and town invests are free to still find them through the claims. Mafia would be on a very harsh clock to manage to pull this off and take a win while we can also sniff out bomber and witch with the claims and go from there while also minimizing the chances of a mislynch throughout.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Nellyfox » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:00 pm

Issue with a mass claim is the witch can control protectives.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Santa07 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:44 pm

I slept peacefully.

Firstly few things
1) The Arckas this is just confusing me tbh. Since there's a conf spy there's a good chance mafia might be screwing with us and visiting themselves and stuff.
2) Why is everyone so sure that there's a BMer? Seriously - because Leyva said there was? You really trusting his word on that? I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
3) With regards to bomber, we need to all do some quick ISOs and look out for loner activity, and we need to make sure Retral stays alive because Invest is super-important now. GFM would've been a bomber win if I didn't become investigator.
4) As for bomber reads, I don't think Vucub is bomber, he's giving me too many witch vibes. I'll look over people more later (after my exam today) and see if anyone is looking particularly loner-ish. Downie or Ronit could be bomber maybe?
5) Mass claim is good and all but it's crucial that we keep our protectives because we have a witch and we need to keep our invests alive to have a better shot at finding the bomber. Sure, mafia have to get rid of them too but they could still take out alzar. A mass-claim might be better tomorrow, or we could make sure the prots claim cit or something.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Santa07 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:44 pm

Also, if the Arckas thing does mean he's scum, he's mafia and we probably want to focus on finding the bomber first.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Santa07 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:56 pm

Jordarrian wrote:Santa, we aren't confirming a Blackmailer. There's a Mafia Tactical in play

Ye exactly, so many people seemed so set on there being a blackmailer yesterday and today just because leyva said there was one
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Postby Nellyfox » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:17 pm

Because he didn't read the thread and provided truthful information even stil.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Alzar » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:18 pm

i suspect santa, his inactivity is very pronounced and he doesn't seem to be actually trying to help from a town perspective
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Alzar » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:42 pm

he's being more inactive than regular santa
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Postby Swordsworth » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:46 pm

Santa's inactivity is usually alignment indicative, he doesn't appear to have kicked the habit as scum yet.
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Postby Alzar » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:47 pm

its extremely irritating given that this is an episode and if anything he should be trying HARDER
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Alzar » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:52 pm

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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:56 pm

Santa is very likely not scum at this point and I agree with him on most of the points.

Pertaining to the mafia and blackmailer thing though, I find it more likely there is mafioso rather than blackmailer at this point unless Arckas was the roleblocked mafia but then it would make no sense to try and frame them again by sending a framer to visit him. If anything mafia should have sent it to someone else just so it looks suspicious that a 4th mafia moved at night and not when he was roleblocked.
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Re: Episode X | Day 3 | Xplosions Incoming

Postby Tiltedcomedian » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:09 pm

I'll come back to this tomorrow/possibly later today. Cleaning.
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