Episode X | A Comedy of Errors | [Town Wins]

[Nellyfox]

N1: leyva x2, retral
N2: salense x2, arckas, jord
N3: cmitc, retral
N4: santa, tilt
N5: elusive, hip, tilt

ok ty
retral | elusive

n1: Nellyfox | Vucub?
n2: notCalm | Santa?
n3: Evil | cmitc
n4: Jord | Swords
n5: Hippo | Tilted

here's what we know
Spoiler: Town Invest - Investigator, Elusive
Town Protective - BodyGuard, Santa
Town Support - Escort, Murat
Town Killing - Veteran, Chubby
Random Town - Doctor, Downie
Random Town - Investigator - Retral
Random Town - Spy, Alzar
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Godfather
Mafia Tactical - Blackmailer, Evil
Random Mafia - Framer
Random Mafia - Janitor

Witch - ronit
Bomber - Jacko
Arsonist - Leyva

By PoE, notCalm has to be lying.
If he's medium, then Retral is scum. However, I really want to say Retral is investigator, because of the results.

Am I missing anything here? This is just the surface of what I wanted to touch on, but I'll work on that in a bit.

[RetralMega]

So we should take a gamble and lynch him rather than Evil?
Can we afford that? If so, I'm content with switching votes.
/unvote

[Alzar]

dang there go my conspiracies

ok so evil is scum
notcalm is scum

cmitc is scum
?

[Tiltedcomedian]

@Alzar Conspiracyfic.

I think we could take a chance on lynching notCalm today while we're still ahead of the curve, but that's up to everyone else.

[Alzar]

how many mislynches do we get?

[Nellyfox]

Now let's talk about the Citizens.

There are six slots. If we use the role list above, Salense has to be Citizen because there is no room (or Chubby is lying about being Veteran).
Those claiming citizen are: Nellyfox, Tilted, Vucub, cmitc, Hippo, Jord, Swords.
To Retral: I came back as Citizen, as well as Jord and Hippo.
To Elusive: Vucub and Swords came back as citizen.
Cmitc came back framed.

Now let's work through these.

Since Salense is Citizen, there are five remaining slots and seven people fighting over them.
Both myself and Vucub came back as Citizen when we were not visited by the mafia.
When Cmitc was framed, he was also roleblocked, and there were no kills.
Jord and Swords are like me and Vucub.
Tilted is unknown.

Now let's work out the spy visits.

N1: leyva x2 (attacked/cleaned), retral (?)
N2: salense x2 (attacked/cleaned), arckas (?), jord (?)
N3: cmitc (framed?), retral (blackmailer)
N4: santa (killed), tilt (?)
N5: elusive (killed), hip (?), tilt (?)

So we have a lot of unknowns because we don't know what the Framer or Blackmailer have done. But we know one thing: the janitor has been making the kills since night 4.
I think it is safe to say, based on inactivity and the roleblock, cmitc is Godfather. Now we have six people fighting over five citizen slots.

Now that we believe cmitc is Godfather, this clears everyone else. Except for Hippo.

Why isn't Hippo clear? Simple: she was visited the night she came up as Citizen/Godfather. Framer can change what role players come up to Investigator.
Now, if Hippo was citizen, the mafia would try and make it look like she is scum. She would not have come up as citizen/godfather, because they'd want us to mislynch her. Instead, she came back as what she claimed, to try and protect her. Since Elusive was assigned to check Tilted, they wouldn't waste a frame on him since they killed Elusive the same night.

Which now makes the role list this:

Spoiler: Town Invest - Investigator, Elusive
Town Protective - BodyGuard, Santa
Town Support - Escort, Murat
Town Killing - Veteran, Chubby
Random Town - Doctor, Downie
Random Town - Investigator - Retral
Random Town - Spy, Alzar
Citizen - Salense
Citizen - Nellyfox
Citizen - VucubCaquix
Citizen - Swordsworth
Citizen - Jordarrian
Citizen - Tiltedcomedian

Godfather - cmitc1
Mafia Tactical - Blackmailer, Evil
Random Mafia - Framer, notCalm
Random Mafia - Janitor - Hippophant

Witch - ronit
Bomber - Jacko
Arsonist - Leyva
Which means night 1, Retral was visited by the blackmailer.
Now the spy visits are like this:

N1: leyva x2 (attacked/cleaned), retral (blackmailer)
N2: salense x2 (attacked/cleaned), arckas (?), jord (?)
N3: cmitc (framed), retral (blackmailer)
N4: santa (killed), tilt (?)
N5: elusive (killed), hip (framed), tilt (blackmailer)

Am I missing anything?

[Nellyfox]

I forgot that notCalm was roleblocked night 4, so spy visits are actually this:

N1: leyva x2 (attacked/cleaned), retral (blackmailer)
N2: salense x2 (attacked/cleaned), arckas (?), jord (?)
N3: cmitc (framed), retral (blackmailer)
N4: santa (killed), tilt (blackmailer)
N5: elusive (killed), hip (framed), tilt (blackmailer)

Since we know janitor has been making the kills that mean Tilted has been visited by Evil the last two nights. For what reason I'm not sure.

If notCalm is Medium then the only way he is if Retral is scum based on our PoE above, and with being roleblocked n1 and n4 I doubt it.
Now for Chubby to be lying, Salense is TK, and my whole theory about Hippo is thrown out the window as Chubby would janitor.

Now am I missing anything?

[Tiltedcomedian]

Looks good to me.

[Nellyfox]

So here is what I propose:

We lynch Evil today.
Retral checks Chubby who doesn't alert.
Murat chooses between Cmitc and Hippo to roleblock.

If we really believe Retral is dying tonight then it really doesn't matter who he checks. However, I want him to check Chubby.
Why?

If Retral checks an unalerting Chubby and dies, notCalm is confirmed as scum 100% based on our above PoE. All this does is have us lynch notCalm tomorrow, then Cmitc, and then Hippo in the end.
If the mafia kill Alzar, we can get some results. Retral will tell us what Chubby pops up as. If it's the vet results, he's confirmed because he can't be Blackmailer or witch, and Hippo is confirmed janitor. If it's anything else, he was framed, because Alzar died since they didn't want us seeing Chubby was visited when checked.

If for some reason Murat dies then we win anyway.

Thoughts?

[hippophant]

jesus christ I'm not a janitor.

[Nellyfox]

Congratulations on a stellar defense, do tell where my analysis is wrong.

[hippophant]

citizen.godfather

not citizen/janitor ya dolts

Literally, my entire D1 strategy was to look just towny enough to get killed that night. Didn't work, and never worked all game. It was a crap play, sure, but I don't see why a mafia member would attempt to GET THEMSELVES KILLED!

Okay, yes, it's unlikely to be a citizen three games in a row. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DIE. I don't want to be a citizen! I hate citizen! THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW I'VE BEEN A FREAKIN' CITIZEN!

[Nellyfox]

you and me both bud, like November was the last time i was a power role for town

but hey if you want to die you should have no problems being lynched in the end ;o

[hippophant]

Hip... did you even read nelly's wall

i did

and it basically says 'i think retral is lying'.

Retral INVESTIGATED ME and found me as Cit/GF, which means Nelly has to be calling Retral a liar.

[Alzar]

Seems legit enough to make it an endgame plan

no. no game ending plans. we're doing this the old fashioned way

though if scum want to forfeit, they can ask invenio to i guess but you need a unanimous vote for that

[Invenio]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

[Alzar]

citizen.godfather

not citizen/janitor ya dolts

Literally, my entire D1 strategy was to look just towny enough to get killed that night. Didn't work, and never worked all game. It was a crap play, sure, but I don't see why a mafia member would attempt to GET THEMSELVES KILLED!

Okay, yes, it's unlikely to be a citizen three games in a row. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DIE. I don't want to be a citizen! I hate citizen! THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN A ROW I'VE BEEN A FREAKIN' CITIZEN!

gonna talk to you as another fm player here and say that if you don't want to play citizen, then don't play fm lol. citizen play is basically the core of fm, so if you're not into it, then go play some role madness games. the game will be absolutely ruined for you if you despise citizen t b h

[Nellyfox]

If I think Retral is lying why do I want notCalm to be lynched so badly

because the ONLY WAY notCalm can be town is if Retral is lying because they're both fighting for a random town slot

[Nellyfox]

no we are not lynching notCalm
if you don't agree with my night plan please at least tell me why

[RetralMega]

I say we lynch NotCalm rather than Evil. Evil is confirmed, but lynching NotCalm will give us more insight on the rolelist and we can afford the mislynch if that's how it goes.

[Nellyfox]

I haven't done the math, so can someone confirm we can actually mislynch?

[murat1996]

Probably at least one mislynch

[RetralMega]

If we mislynch and Town dies tonight, 7v4. We still have majority.

[Nellyfox]

...Okay, I think that's right. So what would our night plans be, then? Murat would have to role block Hippo, and who would Retral check?

[RetralMega]

...Okay, I think that's right. So what would our night plans be, then? Murat would have to role block Hippo, and who would Retral check?

If we lynch Framer, I'll investigate arc's slot again (unless he is Arc's slot. o.o)