Episode X | A Comedy of Errors | [Town Wins]

[Alzar]

@nelly *pat pat* gl on final

isn't the part about leyva screaming about blackmailer just him trying to cover himself for his desperate "faking witch as bg" thing? like, we really have no actual proof of his real motivations. i dont trust him ;--

@everyone ok os it just me or has swords been saying fishing a LOT this game even when it isnt applicable? i cant quote on mobile but don't tell me im the only one :?

@arckas: i dont want to be mean but it's probably in everyone's best interest if the escort was on you again!! sorry for just saying it like that qq

[hippophant]

Here are a few questions for everyone so I can contribute in some measly way other than making reads because I'm awful at those and my question on whether or not we should make them was basically a hint for someone to make reads so I don't have to.

WHAT is your opinion on Datdownie?

WHO is the most scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHO is the least scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHAT do you think Leyva is?

And finally, which scum do you think is our top priority right now?

here's mine.

WHAT is your opinion on Datdownie? I think they're pretty irrational (mainly in their thoughts on Alzar), but equally so I feel like Swords was giving them too much of a hard time when sometimes these irrational theories are what helps the town win the game by realizing a complex plan before it's too late.

WHO is the most scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY? Leyva, obviously. Jord though is unnaturally inactive and so he'd come in second.

WHO is the least scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY? I'd say Alzar, but what he did was fairly out of character for my tastes. So, Nelly.

WHAT do you think Leyva is? Arsonist.

And finally, which scum do you think is our top priority right now? Mafia or bomber.

[Alzar]

1. needs to sit back and think more. i don't believe he's said anything this game other than "yes leyva is scum but what about alzar". there are a lot more things he could post about, but i really have to reserve a scumread considering his meta. i just want to hear actual reads from him
2. leyva, swordsworth, cmitc(?)
3. me no one really. i'm not getting thibgs that really scream town from anyone rn
4. idk does it matter
5. nk and mafia

@hippo wondering why i seem "out of character" to you when i dont think ive ever played with you before

[Arckas]

You know, I'm cool with that. If it requires me to lose my action (if I have one) then that's cool with me. I can see where people are coming from believing that I am the arsonist, but I will tell you that I am not but please role block me anyway.

That's cool. If we can avoid a mislynch, then I think that's far better then taking the chance to stop someone from dying. I agree with Alzar's thinking there.

[Arckas]

1. Playing devil's advocate. Not scum, but skeptic which I think is good going through the game, if done in smart way.
2. It's not hard to see why Leyva.
3. Ask again later
4. Immune
5. Mafia

[Alzar]

i really don't want to sound like a dick, but you might want to consider replacing out. real life should always take precedent over fm, since nobody's happy if you're desperately trying to squeeze time out of your schedule for fm

will this be just a temporary thing

[Alzar]

how temporary

[ElusiveBelle]

As far as the questions go.
1. Downie seems fine to me, I haven't seen anything too off from them and their theory wasn't too off from what I assumed they had meant. Granted they could work on communicating their point a little better the theory concerning Alzar isn't technically wrong and still very much possible just highly unlikely

2.Leyva for obvious reasons
Retral, with the antics of Gob and then the reveal of today. Still not sitting will with Retral right now. Just a minor suspicion though

3.Null, at this point nobody is that town like to be read as so,

4. Scum, plain and simple. Odds are not mafia scum, so anything else that remains

5. Bomber until we reach about day 3 and 4 when they will be easier to catch should a fuse be tripped, then it shifts to NK or Mafia dependent on how many mafia remain.

[Tiltedcomedian]

Will answer later, taking car in for service tomorrow so likely will be out a good portion of the day.

[ronit]

You can't rb Arckas as a test for him being nk and announce it during the day. If he's not nk then the nk would just choose not to kill someone. It has to be the escort's choice, no one has claimed doused yet so if they don't rb him and he's arso no townies will be dead, if they do rb him and no one dies then they could have found the possible arso.

[Santa07]

Leyva you're so bad at defending yourself... any player that's been around for as long as you wouldn't vest n1 as bg, what a waste. Especially for someone like you who's less likely to get attacked than others.

Questions:
1) From my point of view, I see nothing unnatural. Looks like how I've seen Downie before and not much out of the ordinary. People accusing him would have a point if it was a different person, but this is how I've seen Downie before.
2) Leyva... do I really have to state why?
Maybe Swords too, he's been acting rather strange, and his obsession with Downie is even stranger seeing Downie really hasn't been too bad from my pov.
3) There's been a bunch of people who seem to just be 'normal', no-one's sticking out as super protown though
4) Hopefully NK, could just as equally be witch too though. Definitely not BG.
5) SK, the quicker we can reduce the amount of KPN, the better. We want as many town members alive.

[Neasans]

WHAT is your opinion on Datdownie?

WHO is the most scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHO is the least scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHAT do you think Leyva is?

And finally, which scum do you think is our top priority right now?

1. I really don't understand what he's getting on there with his comments about Alzar tbh.

2. leyva. I dislike Arckas' immediate assumption that he was roleblocked by an Escort, when a roleblocker at this point could've been anything, yet he immediately says he was "escorted". I also dislike Retral, considering Gobln's fakeclaim. I see my CapoConsort theory isn't possible, but I could still see him being scum and I really dislike how he popped up to speak of Gobln again all while the leyva debate had started and didn't comment on it.

3. Alzar, as I said earlier, I think his claim is likelier to be true than false.

4. Idk. Arso/SK/Witch/Bomber, probably.

5. NK/Mafia. Witch and Bomber are less immediate threats.

5) SK, the quicker we can reduce the amount of KPN, the better. We want as many town members alive.

Um. We don't know what NK might be. Since when is there specifically an SK?

[Salense]

Alright, finally home and caught up on everything.

Now to continue on what I was saying earlier with slightly less mobile cringe.

Leyva's claim is almost certainly fake to me, just based on his BG vest N1 getting attacked not revealing attack to do "reaction test" on the players and somehow get a possible blackmailer to send a message to him, the actions seem really far-fetched and not really assisting to town and kind of looking like it was made up on the spot .___., and of course his slight giving up tone and fade away from after the claim went down kind of solidifies this for me.

As for Alzar's spy claim, I think it's most likely true, since it would be a high risk not so high reward for mafia to claim this, plus the fact of it really couldn't have been planned for, since I doubt mafia could have predicted that they would target an immune person N1 and I don't really think the mafia would want the witch or NK to be lynched D2

As for Arckas, it's one of 4 scenarios for me, he's Arsonist who got roleblocked and witched, he's the fourth mafia with the missing night action from being role blocked, he's a town member and the arsonist doused someone who didn't claim, he's a town member and the SK hit the GF. I'd rather just have the escort role block him again tonight and just see what happens then before we try to figure out which scenario this is.

WHAT is your opinion on Datdownie?
WHO is the most scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?
WHO is the least scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?
WHAT do you think Leyva is?
And finally, which scum do you think is our top priority right now?

1. he seems like the typical confused downie that i've played with before, slightly more than i'm used to though.
2. Leyva(obvious reasons), Retral(Gobln fake claiming escort, Retral not retracting the claim until D2 for reasons of "reactions tests", and tone through most of this), Swords(he's kind of being a bit of a "bystander", I noticed this D1 and it's still sticking around D2, not really a scum read, just something that is peaking my interest.)
3.Alzar(he's the jailorstalkacutioner of course I would town read him ),
4. Witch, Makes the most logical sense to me
5. Mafia

And there's a reason you didn't tell us day 1 why?

^^^^^^
Well, i'm not really sure if the fake claim was a town Gob move trying not to die or trying to waste scum actions on him or a Scum Gob trying to do something Goblnlike as Scum .____.

What the hell is this answer??

That was me being rushed from needing to go to work and just posting both sides of what I thought the motivation would be for a Town or scum Gob claiming escort.

[RetralMega]

WHAT is your opinion on Datdownie?

WHO is the most scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHO is the least scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHAT do you think Leyva is?

And finally, which scum do you think is our top priority right now?

1. Not sure why he's contesting the spy claim unless he has information that proves otherwise, but isn't sharing.
2. Leyva... for obvious reasons. Targeted by two Mafia, but not dead...
3. Alzar unless Leyva isn't scum.
4. Arsonist seems most likely.
5. Leyva possibly being Arso makes her not as much of a priority. The main priority is the Bomber or Mafia. Maybe after a day or two, Leyva.

[EvilDeanius0]

WHAT is your opinion on Datdownie?

WHO is the most scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHO is the least scummy to you in your eyes right now, and WHY?

WHAT do you think Leyva is?

And finally, which scum do you think is our top priority right now?

1. Can't go through ISOs at work, will look later
2. Leyva for fairly obvious reasons. If you wanted to gambit and get a BMer to contact you, why not just claim attacked and healed? Hiding the attack completely just makes you look bad.
3. Alzar, a spy claim this early as mafia would be a horrible decision.
4. NK or Bomber, I don't think he'd mention BMer as the witch.
5. NK to reduce the kills per night, but Bomber would be close second.

Considering nobody has claimed to be doused, we can scratch Arsonist off the possibilities

Not really, there's an RB, there's the possibility of a Marshal scaring them off, or someone hiding it for some reason.

[Santa07]

5) SK, the quicker we can reduce the amount of KPN, the better. We want as many town members alive.

Um. We don't know what NK might be. Since when is there specifically an SK?

LOL I must've really skimmed over the role-list because I thought we had both... whoops

ok, sk if we have one, and mafia if we don't

[Alzar]

You can't rb Arckas as a test for him being nk and announce it during the day. If he's not nk then the nk would just choose not to kill someone. It has to be the escort's choice, no one has claimed doused yet so if they don't rb him and he's arso no townies will be dead, if they do rb him and no one dies then they could have found the possible arso.

if the nk doesn't kill then how is that not a good thing

[murat1996]

Wait, what mafia role do you think visited Retral?


And the Leyva situation is debatable, but we can't assume anything until it is clear on what may have happened.

[Alzar]

lol

[murat1996]

lol

Okay, I see the problem..

[Alzar]

You literally gave the politician's answer, there's nothing behind what you just said.

[murat1996]

You literally gave the politician's answer, there's nothing behind what you just said.

Technically it would be your results, but whatever


I got things to do today so won't be here for a while.

Pedit:

Murat thats the most fence-sitty argument I have ever seen.

And I think Leyva is scum.

How?

[murat1996]

Btw, the "how?" is for the fencesit part not the "Leyva is scum" part

[Alzar]

"so which specific situation just happened with retral, guys?"
"also btw i don't see a point in speculating about leyva, there are ttoo many possibilities and no proof"

do you see the problem here that doesn't have anything to do with my own results

[murat1996]

"so which specific situation just happened with retral, guys?"
"also btw i don't see a point in speculating about leyva, there are ttoo many possibilities and no proof"

do you see the problem here that doesn't have anything to do with my own results

"Mafia visited Retral"

I think it does for Retral.


For leyva, i just don't know, so I can't say anything about that situation