[Newcomer FM] NFM18 | Game Over - Mafia Wins

[TheChosenOne095]

So, anyways, serious note here. If you are witched, don't say so! Otherwise, the scum witched can tell his scumbuddy to claim witched and then the witch know who two scum members are. It worked wonders for us in NFM15 as the witch couldn't really figure out who was scum. Any objections?

Absolutely agree with this

[IamTrusty]

Im witched :^)

[IamTrusty]

But sure, I'll agree to not claimed witched if I do get witched.
I feel like someone will still claim it though. its NFM after all.

[TheChosenOne095]

But sure, I'll agree to not claimed witched if I do get witched.
I feel like someone will still claim it though. its NFM after all.

Nobody claimed in NFM15,because anybody who claims is inmediately considered suspicious.

If anyone's got something against this plan speak up now when we've got time to discuss it

[murat1996]

But sure, I'll agree to not claimed witched if I do get witched.
I feel like someone will still claim it though. its NFM after all.

Nobody claimed in NFM15,because anybody who claims is inmediately considered suspicious.

If anyone's got something against this plan speak up now when we've got time to discuss it

I believe Witching is okay for a confirmed townie to say.

[TheChosenOne095]

But sure, I'll agree to not claimed witched if I do get witched.
I feel like someone will still claim it though. its NFM after all.

Nobody claimed in NFM15,because anybody who claims is inmediately considered suspicious.

If anyone's got something against this plan speak up now when we've got time to discuss it

I believe Witching is okay for a confirmed townie to say.

Gonna have to agree there

[pumacatrun2]

Hey guys! I am claiming the exclusive role of InvestConsigArsoWitchWolf. Any CCs?

You can't be, because I'm the DoctorJanitorSKJesterExe
/vote teaser303

So, anyways, serious note here. If you are witched, don't say so! Otherwise, the scum witched can tell his scumbuddy to claim witched and then the witch know who two scum members are. It worked wonders for us in NFM15 as the witch couldn't really figure out who was scum. Any objections?

Yeah that's actually a pretty sound plan. I mean, there might be slight exemptions for if something crazy happens (ie. Vig with their name in their will for some reason gets controlled to random shoot) but otherwise yeah, don't claim it if it happens, just say you slept peacefully. And agreed that conftown should be fine to say it.

[CyndaquilMouse]

Hi, apparently this opened while I was asleep xD
Stupid UK Toime zones..

[jakob12341]

Hi, apparently this opened while I was asleep xD
Stupid UK Toime zones..

That's NFM for ya

[pumacatrun2]

So, as an icebreaker while we wait for people to check in, do you newbies have any/much experience with stuff relating to FM?
Could be playing ToS, playing on other forums/other mafia style games, this could be your second game or even reading up on old games to see what you're getting into (note, if you haven't tried reading up on a game before it might be worth doing so while it's still D1 and quiet, the better idea you all have of how the games runs the less likely we'll be stuck with a super inactive role list).

[jakob12341]

So, as an icebreaker while we wait for people to check in, do you newbies have any/much experience with stuff relating to FM?
Could be playing ToS, playing on other forums/other mafia style games, this could be your second game or even reading up on old games to see what you're getting into (note, if you haven't tried reading up on a game before it might be worth doing so while it's still D1 and quiet, the better idea you all have of how the games runs the less likely we'll be stuck with a super inactive role list).

Actually I'm also playing NFM 17 and that is still ongoing, so it'll be my 3rd NFM game. When I wrote join at that time I had only played 1, then I got in as a replacement in NFM17. And then there's this one, so I guess from the next game, I'll be joining as a non-newbie.

[CyndaquilMouse]

First game for me, I've been stalking this topic since it was first posted xD

[pumacatrun2]

First game for me, I've been stalking this topic since it was first posted xD

Haha same myself tbh though, NFM games tend to take a bit longer than regular games to start since it's preferable for the previous NFM to have finished beforehand.

[CyndaquilMouse]

I keep feeling like I made a terrible mistake signing up for this XD

[jakob12341]

I keep feeling like I made a terrible mistake signing up for this XD

Cyndaquil feels like, they're gonna have a bad time.

[pumacatrun2]

I keep feeling like I made a terrible mistake signing up for this XD

Haha I'm sure you'll do fine. From what I've seen of you on the forums in general I think you'll be capable enough of it.

[ItsmeCreature]

It's sad mafiascum is down.

[pumacatrun2]

5 hours til Day 1 ends and so far Cheddar, Spyder and Elody haven't checked in. Hopefully they'll get in soon but that's one of the problems with the long wait time between being sent role cards and the game starting, usually at least someone will forget about the game or stay inactive.

ISO Reference for those who need it (ISOs are a rundown of a players' posts in order, useful for re-evaluating your opinions on people or pulling up specific posts to quote, read the starting posts for more terminology though):

CyndaquilMouse
teaser303
jakob12341
Thukk0
TheCheddarCheese
IAmTrusty
SpyderCanopus
JackoDerp
elody53
ItsmeCreature
TheChosenOne095
pumacatrun2
murat1996

Iggy feel free to (as in please do) put these up in the main post.

Considering we're nearing day end I figure we may as well address a typical point, which is that often experienced players are attacked/witched/investigated/protected/other PR role ability'd. For a while it's been in place that if a newbie dies N1 they get put back at the top of the queue for the next game, but in general I think it's still stayed more likely that experienced players get targeted at night (not 100% since I haven't read many NFM games in a while though). For town, it's an idea to keep this in mind, but by bringing it up you reach the road of WIFOM - now, will they purposefully attack a newbie so as to be more likely to be successful? If you have a PR role ability, I suggest carefully considering who your best target would be - do you think mafia will attack somebody active over somebody inactive? Do you think investigating somebody inactive is better than investigating somebody active? Come up with reasoning for your actions - in late game, if we begin to massclaim and you say you guarded people mostly with no reasoning at all, it might appear suspicious. Also consider whether or not including your night results in your will would be beneficial or hindering to town - as an Investigator, putting that someone came up as Citizen helps mafia PoE who the PR roles are. It might be smarter to say something like "X's result made me very sure that with how the current setup looks, they won't be scum." so that they could fit the description of many PR role results too.

On top of that, don't assume that everything said in a townie's will is law - if they say they investigated someone, then yeah, that's concrete enough (excusing Framer-related shenanigans) but if they say they think someone in particular is scum from a hunch, think about it but don't jump to conclusions necessarily. Even worse is trusting the experienced players too much I don't know too much about Chosen's playstyle, and typically as scum from what I've seen murat and creature aren't too hard to handle but unless we're confirmed, experience =/= correct all of the time, even as town.

That's pretty much the most of my words of wisdom for now, it's likely that if an experienced player rolled in mafia they're probably giving a similar pep-talk to their teammates so I figure it's only fair

[jakob12341]

5 hours til Day 1 ends and so far Cheddar, Spyder and Elody haven't checked in. Hopefully they'll get in soon but that's one of the problems with the long wait time between being sent role cards and the game starting, usually at least someone will forget about the game or stay inactive.

ISO Reference for those who need it (ISOs are a rundown of a players' posts in order, useful for re-evaluating your opinions on people or pulling up specific posts to quote, read the starting posts for more terminology though):

CyndaquilMouse
teaser303
jakob12341
Thukk0
TheCheddarCheese
IAmTrusty
SpyderCanopus
JackoDerp
elody53
ItsmeCreature
TheChosenOne095
pumacatrun2
murat1996

Iggy feel free to (as in please do) put these up in the main post.

Considering we're nearing day end I figure we may as well address a typical point, which is that often experienced players are attacked/witched/investigated/protected/other PR role ability'd. For a while it's been in place that if a newbie dies N1 they get put back at the top of the queue for the next game, but in general I think it's still stayed more likely that experienced players get targeted at night (not 100% since I haven't read many NFM games in a while though). For town, it's an idea to keep this in mind, but by bringing it up you reach the road of WIFOM - now, will they purposefully attack a newbie so as to be more likely to be successful? If you have a PR role ability, I suggest carefully considering who your best target would be - do you think mafia will attack somebody active over somebody inactive? Do you think investigating somebody inactive is better than investigating somebody active? Come up with reasoning for your actions - in late game, if we begin to massclaim and you say you guarded people mostly with no reasoning at all, it might appear suspicious. Also consider whether or not including your night results in your will would be beneficial or hindering to town - as an Investigator, putting that someone came up as Citizen helps mafia PoE who the PR roles are. It might be smarter to say something like "X's result made me very sure that with how the current setup looks, they won't be scum." so that they could fit the description of many PR role results too.

On top of that, don't assume that everything said in a townie's will is law - if they say they investigated someone, then yeah, that's concrete enough (excusing Framer-related shenanigans) but if they say they think someone in particular is scum from a hunch, think about it but don't jump to conclusions necessarily. Even worse is trusting the experienced players too much I don't know too much about Chosen's playstyle, and typically as scum from what I've seen murat and creature aren't too hard to handle but unless we're confirmed, experience =/= correct all of the time, even as town.

That's pretty much the most of my words of wisdom for now, it's likely that if an experienced player rolled in mafia they're probably giving a similar pep-talk to their teammates so I figure it's only fair

Nice perhaps that'll prevent the first timers from looking suspicious and not just start sheeping

[Thukk0]

So, as an icebreaker while we wait for people to check in, do you newbies have any/much experience with stuff relating to FM?
Could be playing ToS, playing on other forums/other mafia style games, this could be your second game or even reading up on old games to see what you're getting into (note, if you haven't tried reading up on a game before it might be worth doing so while it's still D1 and quiet, the better idea you all have of how the games runs the less likely we'll be stuck with a super inactive role list).

This is only my second game of FM that I've played, but I have read a few of the older games as well, so I know the basics of how to play. I read the games partially to learn what the game was like, and partially because it's fun reading them. I have a lot of experience with ToS, mostly playing All Any because I like the sheer chaos of it. It's unbalanced, but I don't care.

[pumacatrun2]

So, as an icebreaker while we wait for people to check in, do you newbies have any/much experience with stuff relating to FM?
Could be playing ToS, playing on other forums/other mafia style games, this could be your second game or even reading up on old games to see what you're getting into (note, if you haven't tried reading up on a game before it might be worth doing so while it's still D1 and quiet, the better idea you all have of how the games runs the less likely we'll be stuck with a super inactive role list).

This is only my second game of FM that I've played, but I have read a few of the older games as well, so I know the basics of how to play. I read the games partially to learn what the game was like, and partially because it's fun reading them. I have a lot of experience with ToS, mostly playing All Any because I like the sheer chaos of it. It's unbalanced, but I don't care.

I have a feeling you'd enjoy SFM or Grand Idea Mafia then, you should look into it

[teaser303]

So, as an icebreaker while we wait for people to check in, do you newbies have any/much experience with stuff relating to FM?
Could be playing ToS, playing on other forums/other mafia style games, this could be your second game or even reading up on old games to see what you're getting into (note, if you haven't tried reading up on a game before it might be worth doing so while it's still D1 and quiet, the better idea you all have of how the games runs the less likely we'll be stuck with a super inactive role list).

I played an FM game on MafiaManiac a few years ago, but I soon forgot the game. Recently, I was reminded of it and started playing ToS and FM again. I prefer FM because you can clearly lay out your logic and you can only scumhunt based on logic, not on night results.

P.S: How does the Framer work in this setup? Does the framed person show as Framer/Forger or as another role?

[pumacatrun2]

So, as an icebreaker while we wait for people to check in, do you newbies have any/much experience with stuff relating to FM?
Could be playing ToS, playing on other forums/other mafia style games, this could be your second game or even reading up on old games to see what you're getting into (note, if you haven't tried reading up on a game before it might be worth doing so while it's still D1 and quiet, the better idea you all have of how the games runs the less likely we'll be stuck with a super inactive role list).

I played an FM game on MafiaManiac a few years ago, but I soon forgot the game. Recently, I was reminded of it and started playing ToS and FM again. I prefer FM because you can clearly lay out your logic and you can only scumhunt based on logic, not on night results.

P.S: How does the Framer work in this setup? Does the framed person show as Framer/Forger or as another role?

If it's a sheriff, the person comes up as mafia.
If it's an investigator, the framer gets to choose which result they come up as. Note that since we can't roll a spy, mafia could frame themselves as citizen if they wished to, I believe, although it would be at risk of sheriff visiting them and then they'd still come up as mafia. There's also the possibility of lookout though too so it's high risk potentially high reward. Iggy correct me on it if they can't frame themselves as cits though.
I suggest double-checking over all the roles being used in this game in the rolecards thread (there's a link in the OP) because there's a few differences between this and ToS roles you might not pick up on otherwise.

[TheCheddarCheese]

Hey guys. Driving home, was gone for the weekend. Will read when I come home, k?

[pumacatrun2]

Hey guys. Driving home, was gone for the weekend. Will read when I come home, k?

Yeah no problem, it's been a very quiet D1 compared to usual so you don't have much to catch up on other than my walls of advice.