[Newcomer FM] NFM18 | Game Over - Mafia Wins

[TheCheddarCheese]

I slept peacefully.

I have doubts on jackos claim. But it could be true, prob a last resort

[murat1996]

I slept peacefully.

I have doubts on jackos claim. But it could be true, prob a last resort

His claim isn't true, he's trying to avoid death by claiming he didn't kill Creature, but in reality he did kill Creature.

[murat1996]

I slept peacefully.

I have doubts on jackos claim. But it could be true, prob a last resort

His claim isn't true, he's trying to avoid death by claiming he didn't kill Creature, but in reality he did kill Creature.

Really?
I thought you were accusing me of eating a packet of biscuits for breakfast.

But seriously, I visited Puma.
I don't know how a lookout would see me visiting Creature (unless of course you're not a lookout - but I doubt anyone would pull a gambit that ridiculous)

I'm not the type of person to pull a gambit, so my claim has to be true.

[jakob12341]

Well I slept peacefully.

And Jacko visited ItsmeCreature

And yes I'm a lookout

why dafuq did you just hardclaim this early? you know that scum now knows what you are now right?
unless you're baiting

[murat1996]

Well I slept peacefully.

And Jacko visited ItsmeCreature

And yes I'm a lookout

why dafuq did you just hardclaim this early? you know that scum now knows what you are now right?
unless you're baiting

Yes, if I kept my information for d3 and possibly died, you would have said "he was a dumb lookout".

Also isn't better to lynch scum at any cost?

I'm not the type of person to pull a gambit, so my claim has to be true.

Wow that line isn't totally suspicious

That sarcasm is real asf

[elody53]

Hai I'm back, slept peacefully, srry couldn't get on right away.

[TheCheddarCheese]

I mean, there is no executioner. If they were telling a lie, why would they?

a gambit you say, but that seems like an insta mafia death if he flips Doctor. Doubtful, but a gambit could always be true.

I have another reason, not to be revealed until later game.

[Thukk0]

A TI hardclaimed early... again

which means no chance of finding associatives... again.

You didn't have to claim D3, but you could've waited until later in the day. At least the TP isn't dead this time, so you should be fine.

I doubt a scum gambit would involve claiming Lookout. Sheriff, maybe, but lookout is pretty definitive.

[jakob12341]

Well I slept peacefully.

And Jacko visited ItsmeCreature

And yes I'm a lookout

why dafuq did you just hardclaim this early? you know that scum now knows what you are now right?
unless you're baiting

Yes, if I kept my information for d3 and possibly died, you would have said "he was a dumb lookout".

Also isn't better to lynch scum at any cost?


there's a reason why you have a last will :/
unless you were going to be cleaned.....d1 hardclaim....why people why? if you had kept it to yourself, scum would have had to put a consigliere on you first, but now they know what you are -_-. So that means they can either choose to kill you or have 1 less person to investigate.

[jakob12341]

A TI hardclaimed early... again

which means no chance of finding associatives... again.

You didn't have to claim D3, but you could've waited until later in the day. At least the TP isn't dead this time, so you should be fine.

I doubt a scum gambit would involve claiming Lookout. Sheriff, maybe, but lookout is pretty definitive.

yeah lookout is really difficult to pretend to be because, people know who they visited and who they didn't visit.
So it would be easy for town to figure that out.

[elody53]

????
Wait wat is going on?!?!?

[murat1996]

Honestly I would be okay with that, but I just revealed, I mean I found someone to have killed someone, so I thought that was important :/

[murat1996]

I mean, there is no executioner. If they were telling a lie, why would they?

a gambit you say, but that seems like an insta mafia death if he flips Doctor. Doubtful, but a gambit could always be true.

I have another reason, not to be revealed until later game.

Well the only other possibility is hes been given the wrong information, either by Iggy (sorry Iggy, but IIRC it has happened before), or theres a Mafia deception who's busy laughing his ass off behind his desk (Is there a MD that can fool lookouts?)

No MD can't fool Lookouts.

[murat1996]

But are they in NFM?

[jakob12341]

Honestly I would be okay with that, but I just revealed, I mean I found someone to have killed someone, so I thought that was important :/

Hmm we could have figured it out or you could have soft claimed, even if you were killed, we would have known what you were, so we would get info.

[murat1996]

But are they in NFM?

Yes.
I'm talking about Disguiser (Please tell me you didn't mess up again Iggy)

I remember moonbird whining about the mod's mistake when they were scum...

[teaser303]

Ugh. TI/Lookout outs D2 again. Read D2 of NFM15 to figure out anything wrong with this. Anyways, I believe Murat's claim just due to how he reacted to Jacko's CC. Scum would never claim Lookout because it's too hard to fake wills for and anyone listed in the will can just call you out on it. So here's all of the situations that could have happened:

1. Murat is, in fact, Lookout, and Jacko carried the kill for scum. This is the most likely scenario and it justifies the risk in lynching Jacko.

2. Jacko is Citizen lying about being doc for whatever reason and was witched into visiting Creature. I would like for Murat to verify that Jacko was the only person who visited Creature, or else this situation is plausible.

3. Jacko is actually doc, and Murat is scum pushing for a quick D2 mislynch. I really doubt this though, given the claim of Lookout that can be easily confirmed.

4. Jacko is scum who carried kill and was witched into killing Creature. That way, he actually believes that he visited whoever he was originally going to.

5. Jacko is Disguiser (I think), and scum actually killed Jacko N1 but also disguised as him because it's going to be hard to do that any other day. (Btw, can someone please explain to me how it works if Disguiser visits the Loookout's target?)

That's all I have right now, and almost all of the scenarios point to Jacko being scum. After all, if Jacko visited Creature as doc, wouldn't Creature be alive. Putting a preemptive pressure vote on Jacko.

/vote JackoDerp

[teaser303]

Btw, I slept peacefully.

[TheChosenOne095]

Ugh. TI/Lookout outs D2 again. Read D2 of NFM15 to figure out anything wrong with this. Anyways, I believe Murat's claim just due to how he reacted to Jacko's CC. Scum would never claim Lookout because it's too hard to fake wills for and anyone listed in the will can just call you out on it. So here's all of the situations that could have happened:

1. Murat is, in fact, Lookout, and Jacko carried the kill for scum. This is the most likely scenario and it justifies the risk in lynching Jacko.

2. Jacko is Citizen lying about being doc for whatever reason and was witched into visiting Creature. I would like for Murat to verify that Jacko was the only person who visited Creature, or else this situation is plausible.

3. Jacko is actually doc, and Murat is scum pushing for a quick D2 mislynch. I really doubt this though, given the claim of Lookout that can be easily confirmed.

4. Jacko is scum who carried kill and was witched into killing Creature. That way, he actually believes that he visited whoever he was originally going to.

5. Jacko is Disguiser (I think), and scum actually killed Jacko N1 but also disguised as him because it's going to be hard to do that any other day. (Btw, can someone please explain to me how it works if Disguiser visits the Loookout's target?)

That's all I have right now, and almost all of the scenarios point to Jacko being scum. After all, if Jacko visited Creature as doc, wouldn't Creature be alive. Putting a preemptive pressure vote on Jacko.

/vote JackoDerp

Disguiser doesn't work like that in this game, they swap all the investigative results of two players.So the disguiser could have changed the mafia killer with Jacko.

[teaser303]

5. Jacko is Disguiser (I think), and scum actually killed Jacko N1 but also disguised as him because it's going to be hard to do that any other day. (Btw, can someone please explain to me how it works if Disguiser visits the Loookout's target?)
/vote JackoDerp

Thats not how the FM disguiser works

Looking at the rolecard, your Disguiser defense doesn't work because Lookout is TS, not TI, unless I'm mistaken. That way, Disguiser couldn't fool Lookout.

[Thukk0]

Ugh. TI/Lookout outs D2 again. Read D2 of NFM15 to figure out anything wrong with this. Anyways, I believe Murat's claim just due to how he reacted to Jacko's CC. Scum would never claim Lookout because it's too hard to fake wills for and anyone listed in the will can just call you out on it. So here's all of the situations that could have happened:

1. Murat is, in fact, Lookout, and Jacko carried the kill for scum. This is the most likely scenario and it justifies the risk in lynching Jacko.

2. Jacko is Citizen lying about being doc for whatever reason and was witched into visiting Creature. I would like for Murat to verify that Jacko was the only person who visited Creature, or else this situation is plausible.

3. Jacko is actually doc, and Murat is scum pushing for a quick D2 mislynch. I really doubt this though, given the claim of Lookout that can be easily confirmed.

4. Jacko is scum who carried kill and was witched into killing Creature. That way, he actually believes that he visited whoever he was originally going to.

5. Jacko is Disguiser (I think), and scum actually killed Jacko N1 but also disguised as him because it's going to be hard to do that any other day. (Btw, can someone please explain to me how it works if Disguiser visits the Loookout's target?)

That's all I have right now, and almost all of the scenarios point to Jacko being scum. After all, if Jacko visited Creature as doc, wouldn't Creature be alive. Putting a preemptive pressure vote on Jacko.

/vote JackoDerp

The disguiser can fool lookouts. It seems like everyone forgets about that role. (See: the NFM 10 incident)

Regarding lookouts, if a disguiser swaps a mafia member, who kills person A, and a town member, who visits person B, then it would look like the town member killed person A, and mafia visited person B. I am almost certain this is how the disguiser works.

Scenario 4 is impossible, If Jacko was witched, he would know he was witched, and thus know he probably didn't visit his intended target.

The actual chances of a disguiser affecting the results is incredibly slim. Also, Jacko's general reaction to this has been suspicious, if he were the real town protective, I would've expected him to be angrier, considering the situation where Jacko is town would be devastating to town.

P-edit: Welp, everyone has ninja-ed me on this. Also, Lookout is TI, not TS.

[teaser303]

Ugh. TI/Lookout outs D2 again. Read D2 of NFM15 to figure out anything wrong with this. Anyways, I believe Murat's claim just due to how he reacted to Jacko's CC. Scum would never claim Lookout because it's too hard to fake wills for and anyone listed in the will can just call you out on it. So here's all of the situations that could have happened:

1. Murat is, in fact, Lookout, and Jacko carried the kill for scum. This is the most likely scenario and it justifies the risk in lynching Jacko.

2. Jacko is Citizen lying about being doc for whatever reason and was witched into visiting Creature. I would like for Murat to verify that Jacko was the only person who visited Creature, or else this situation is plausible.

3. Jacko is actually doc, and Murat is scum pushing for a quick D2 mislynch. I really doubt this though, given the claim of Lookout that can be easily confirmed.

4. Jacko is scum who carried kill and was witched into killing Creature. That way, he actually believes that he visited whoever he was originally going to.

5. Jacko is Disguiser (I think), and scum actually killed Jacko N1 but also disguised as him because it's going to be hard to do that any other day. (Btw, can someone please explain to me how it works if Disguiser visits the Loookout's target?)

That's all I have right now, and almost all of the scenarios point to Jacko being scum. After all, if Jacko visited Creature as doc, wouldn't Creature be alive. Putting a preemptive pressure vote on Jacko.

/vote JackoDerp

The disguiser can fool lookouts. It seems like everyone forgets about that role. (See: the NFM 10 incident)

Regarding lookouts, if a disguiser swaps a mafia member, who kills person A, and a town member, who visits person B, then it would look like the town member killed person A, and mafia visited person B. I am almost certain this is how the disguiser works.

Scenario 4 is impossible, If Jacko was witched, he would know he was witched, and thus know he probably didn't visit his intended target.

The actual chances of a disguiser affecting the results is incredibly slim. Also, Jacko's general reaction to this has been suspicious, if he were the real town protective, I would've expected him to be angrier, considering the situation where Jacko is town would be devastating to town.

P-edit: Welp, everyone has ninja-ed me on this. Also, Lookout is TI, not TS.

Thanks for the info! But yeah, I have to agree with you that Jacko's reaction was a bit too "chill." Murat's, on the other hand, fit more like how a real Lookout would react, because he was very angry at Jacko's weak CC.

[TheChosenOne095]

I definitely believe murat's claim, if they wanted Jacko death so much, there're other ways to achieve it.The possibility of a disguiser is real, but it all boils down to how much we believe Jacko.

[TheChosenOne095]

What do you all think about Jacko hardclaiming so fast?

[jakob12341]

I definitely believe murat's claim, if they wanted Jacko death so much, there're other ways to achieve it.The possibility of a disguiser is real, but it all boils down to how much we believe Jacko.

I hate D2 or D1 claims, it's still early and not wise. But, I don't think anyone would be faking lookout. Right now this situation seems rather confusing. To be honest