TFM22 | MiniGIM2 | Game over [Mafia wins]

[Swordsworth]

Ohgvsvit startsed?

I haven't loikrd at my rolexard or abythin yey

Good ight

[Neasans]

I revealed because my patience died from sprained knee and general frustration at silliness.

[ladd]

So, what happened while I was gone? I already miss being being a Banana Peel, my new role is a lot lamer. Still from ICE, though.

I am thinking Vader is scum, I don't like his progression on Page 1. After being accused by Vader, that's his answer...

First.

I could say the same

...but he doesn't vote until True votes Ymirr, as well, and Ymirr votes him. It doesn't feel like a genuine vote, even in RVS.

Neasans is fucking pointing fingers at the speed of sound.

Yeah, this is pretty hypocrite, considering how you are playing. These are your two next posts:

So are you

Nice reflection + dodging there.

Slight scumread on Hip.

Kirize, why do you scumread Hip? I don't think you explained.

nice OMGUS

nice MISREP

Why do you feel Neasans is misrepping you?

Rearding Nea claim, I think I am buying it? It's pretty hard to prove and the life part may not even matter in a TFM, depending on how the role list rolled; so I am a bit paranoid about it being a gambit. But overall, I would say it's fairly believable, and I am not scumreading Neasans, anyway.

/vote Vader

[ladd]

The thread before was a lot more enjoyable, by the way.

Town:
Me

Probably Town:
Neasans

Maybe Town:
Ymirr
True

Null:
Kmenx
Hip
Swords
Varanus
Alex

Scum:
Vader
Kirize

Starting from here.

[ladd]

Nea, are you told what action you rolled or do you have to target people with a random action?

[ladd]

Sorry for quadruple post.

Regarding Ymirr, I liked their entrance this game a lot more than in the previous one. This post here, in particular strikes me as Town:

As in, I have no clue.

True read on Ymirr was good and, while I do not agree with it, his push on Nea seems more likely to come from Town than scum. Keeping an eye on them, but leaning Town, for now.

If there was no defence then just don't defend. Hard claiming was unnecessary since you were at L-3 and no one seemed to be seriously considering you as our lynch yet.

Do you believe their claim?

[teamalex]

So, what happened while I was gone? I already miss being being a Banana Peel, my new role is a lot lamer. Still from ICE, though.

-snip-

Any reason, why you had to say this?

I do agree with the Ymirr read though, I've got a good feeling about them right now.

Nulling TrueGent.

[ladd]

So, what happened while I was gone? I already miss being being a Banana Peel, my new role is a lot lamer. Still from ICE, though.

-snip-

Any reason, why you had to say this?

Well, I woke up and found that the old thread was gone and I received a new role card, so I am curious to what exactly happened. Is the old role list somewhere, by the way? I want to know how bad my D1 reads were.

The rest is just me softing my role.

Nulling TrueGent.

What do you make of their push on Nea? Do you feel like it's more likely to come from Town or scum?

[ladd]

I don't like that Nea ignored this in favor of SFM18, it's making me more paranoid about them.

Especially since I asked them a particular question about their role, which I would like to have answered; but now they have all the time to ask Obi how they would do it, if it's a fakeclaim.

[ladd]

I also don't like Alex, especially compared to last game. The question towards me felt empty and I don't like that they are nulling TrueGent, while I think they have enough posts with content to warrant a lean, at least. Keeping an eye on them.

Sorry for all the x-posting I will inevitably do this game, with x>2.

[TrueGent]

Im in english rn but wtf was the point of that claim

[TrueGent]

Nea, why are you afraid of death?

[teamalex]

I also don't like Alex, especially compared to last game. The question towards me felt empty and I don't like that they are nulling TrueGent, while I think they have enough posts with content to warrant a lean, at least. Keeping an eye on them.

Sorry for all the x-posting I will inevitably do this game, with x>2.

What. Empty?

I don't get how softclaiming your role is useful to us this early, especially when the scum can just look it up in the thread. They could match your role and behaviour together. What exactly do you achieve with that?

I don't see how Gent's push on Neasans is indicative to town, these pushes can be made by scum aswell? I don't get it. What exactly makes you think it comes more from town than scum because I'm not seeing it?

TrueGent is in my "hard to read" list, which also you, ladd and perhaps Swords and Neasans are on aswell. I'm not making any fast assumptions and switch my focus because I've been wrong before(e.g SFM 16 Gent and 9C Ladd) and I'd like to use claims, association, behaviour and meta to make my final decision.

[ladd]

I also don't like Alex, especially compared to last game. The question towards me felt empty and I don't like that they are nulling TrueGent, while I think they have enough posts with content to warrant a lean, at least. Keeping an eye on them.

Sorry for all the x-posting I will inevitably do this game, with x>2.

What. Empty?

I don't get how softclaiming your role is useful to us this early, especially when the scum can just look it up in the thread. They could match your role and behaviour together. What exactly do you achieve with that?

I don't see how Gent's push on Neasans is indicative to town, these pushes can be made by scum aswell? I don't get it. What exactly makes you think it comes more from town than scum because I'm not seeing it?

TrueGent is in my "hard to read" list, which also you, ladd and perhaps Swords and Neasans are on aswell. I'm not making any fast assumptions and switch my focus because I've been wrong before(e.g SFM 16 Gent and 9C Ladd) and I'd like to use claims, association, behaviour and meta to make my final decision.

The empty refers to the fact that I was obvious ( slightly ) softclaiming in that post, so I don't understand what was the point of asking me that question. Both Town and scum have reasons to softclaim, so I don't see how my answer would help you sort me out in any way.

I may be playing mind games with scum, or I may be softing to come back to that post later on, when there is a massclaim, and show that I locked myself into a limited numbers of claims early ( this motivation can come from scum as well, obviously ) or I may simply softclaiming for the sake of it. Or maybe I have another reason.

As for the scum part, good luck to them if they want to go that way.

Regarding True, as I said, mine is a lean. Most of it is based on the fact that he pushed on Neasans, which is a vocal player and pretty hard to lynch; I would think Scum!True is more likely to go after people easier to lynch. More so, if you consider that he pushed on them for a pretty small reason, I think Town!True is more likely to expose themselves like this.

I can see where you are coming from regarding your last point, but I disagree. I think reading the players like the ones you mentioned early is beneficial, even if you are unsure about the read. You can see how they react to it. Anyway, this is more playstyle based and you have always striked me as the cautious type, so I guess this fits with your meta.

Going to be back later on.

[ladd]

Actually, this may be the better vote.

/unvote
/vote Kirize

When you come online, answer my questions Kirize, please.


Unofficial ( hopefully correct ) Vote Count:
Neasans(3): Truegent, Kirize12 and Hip
TrueGent(1): Ymirr
Kirize12(3): ladd, Neasans and Alex

[Hiphoplog]

-1 Neasans
/unvote
I'm convinced by that claim.

[TrueGent]

Im not convinced by that claim
too much is off about it

[teamalex]

What about it?

It would be a horrible fakeclaim as scum.

[Hiphoplog]

Not horrible. It's not a long term claim it's very short term.
Also it's worth nothing a JOAT can pull it off very easily.

[TrueGent]

What about it?

It would be a horrible fakeclaim as scum.

The fact that its easily fakeable and the fact they were so willing to claim
It doesn't feel town to me

[TrueGent]

ignore the first part I just reread their claim
latter part still stands

[teamalex]

I personally don't think scum!Neasans would claim such a horrible role as a fakeclaim at... what, L-3?

Sure, it's definetely a questionable move as Town too but... it just seems too unique to be false.

[TrueGent]

Sure, it's definetely a questionable move as Town too but... it just seems too unique to be false.

this is pretty much where I am rn

[Hiphoplog]

it just seems too unique to be false.

That's what they said to my 2-douse Firebrand claim in WeebFM.

[TrueGent]

Unless Nea is something like a Mafia JOAT the claim will falter at some point
Either way I don't think we should lynch them today

/unvote

Intent to vote Kirize