9F (MC) | Didney Worl | Villainous Victory | Town Wins

[oliy]

The heck, Oliy?
How is it unusual at all? There have always been vigilantes, and there have always been TP. I don't think anyone has ever had to say "Hey TP, you probably shouldn't protect the person town wants dead tonight"
Or maybe it's just me thinking that way? I dunno, maybe TP are supposed to guard suspected scum.

The changes in Protectives and judgement in immunes vs roleblocks vs heals vs marshals

/vote oliy

Nice OMGUS :\

I like how Kirize is asked to explain the vote but doesn't :\

Kirize, do I shitpost too much?

It's just Day 1.

With a lynch :\ And D1 can be used for discussion.

[Cyantic]

Cyantic there's nothing else to really discuss. I said I'll look into Rhazh more starting off because of possibilities of that :\

I'm not seeing how you could glean that much information from his post, which was the whole point, really? Also, there was the two other things which I mentioned using 'what' for you to expand upon.

What's with the sudden obsession with NKs Kirize? Why does it matter what NK is if they die D1 :\

NKs are pretty big deals in games. Removing them makes everything a whole lot smoother. As smooth as I am, I'd say. B)

I-it's not like I wanted an answer or anything, b-b-Baka.

[Neasans]

Hhhm, Disney Game? Huuu, fantasy? Well, time to let loooose my RP tendencies. ;D

*looks at player list*

Oh, my, I see this game is full of s i n n e r s.

*looks at day start meme*

Oh so that's why you decided to make us villains. Green is sp00py, I agree.

Guys pls. Discussion first. Memes come after the game.
Umm, nothing has happened.
How will we distinguish if an unlimited prank is truthful? I don't see how it will be other than normal distinction.
Transporter, do not self-transport early on unless you're near-certain you're going to be attacked.
I don't want to result to others claiming if a Vig hitting immune is a heal or immunity. I would say when suggesting Vig targets, Doctors do not heal them. BodyGuards and Marshals can but only if they're a townread.


TBH I'll look into read into Rhazh throughout the game because of the Enforcer and Mafia day chat correlation could be a Mafia Joke or maybe mis-chat

Oliy pls we all know you're on a cruzade to erradicate memes but come on, it's D1 and it's barely starting. We can have both memes and discussion.

/vote TheCow

See? ;D

But heyyyy, hold your horses there. Why would a Doctor heal a Vig target in the first place? And are you saying that a Marshal or Bodyguard should?

Because A)if a Marshal does it, that's one lost bullet since Marshal still makes those scared away lose charges and B)if a Bodyguard does, that's TWO power roles dead

I'd like you to elaborate on what you're trying to say here, til then, [judging intensifies]

Also are you seriously getting on Rhazh for the Enforcer joke? Pretty sure that can't roll (YES GUYS I DID READ THAT PART OF THE OP THIS TIME, NOT MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE ;<; )

So if you're taking an Enforcer claim seriously, well, k then

Just a reminder: My last themed game went SO well, I expect the same out of this one




/s

Are we talking about SFM 15? 'Cause if so, good. I expect healthy underworld gods memes.

Side note: I think this is the farthest I've gotten into a game in months where nobody has hard claimed yet.

I'M STALKER BB

I support a D1 lynch because older games I've read have shown it's efficacy *points to scum getting rekt D1*

[Invenio]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

heywaitaminutesomethingsnotright

[Cyantic]

ICE|1|Varanus;Tech|1|Vorono;Oliy|1|Kirize;Cyantic|1|Cyantic;TheCow|1|Neasans
heywaitaminutesomethingsnotright

I'm not even in this game.

[Neasans]

/vote Cow
/vote Cow
/vote Cow
/vote Cow
/vote Cow
/vote Cow
/vote Cow

HAVE I BROKEN THE SYSTEM YET

[Varanus]

Not again

[Invenio]

Current Vote Count

Player	Votes	Voters
	#	Votes Until Majority

Cow was lynched in a dramatic fashion.

[Neasans]

:D

[oliy]

Yeah obviously I'm scummy, you vote me after I ask you a question that could lead you to being NK, don't explain it, and when I ask you to explain you call it a scummy response.
Yeeaaaaaaaah :\

Cyantic there's nothing else to really discuss. I said I'll look into Rhazh more starting off because of possibilities of that :\

I'm not seeing how you could glean that much information from his post, which was the whole point, really? Also, there was the two other things which I mentioned using 'what' for you to expand upon.

What's with the sudden obsession with NKs Kirize? Why does it matter what NK is if they die D1 :\

NKs are pretty big deals in games. Removing them makes everything a whole lot smoother. As smooth as I am, I'd say. B)

I-it's not like I wanted an answer or anything, b-b-Baka.

It's just a small thing to note on. I just want to look into him more later on just in case.
He just jumped onto the fact we should lynch NK when we can hardly gain any specific reads this early. I will look into him if NK is SK.
There's unlimited Pranks and they can fake actions such as roleblocks or douses either to mess with the town or claim, so it may be harder to distinguish what's a prank, but lack of ignition, following directions, or another NK douses can be proven false, and PRs can prove roleblocks false, plus people won't give up on actions.
Transporter only has one Self-Transport and it should be either saved or used once, similar to how you use a self-heal, except there are protectives otherwise. I wanted to point that out.

NEasans I don't take the claim seriously, but the fact there's awareness of a Mafia daychat and a joke about that could be somewhat indicative. I'm not scumreading them for it, just raising a little awareness of potential.

[Varanus]

Welp, Invenio left out the bit in the rules that says no using codes, so let's see if any of you can figure out what this says. (No, I didn't just randomly pick numbers. This actually can be decoded.)

12-5-6-13-7-2-7-2-8
Good luck

[Invenio]

Well shit I'll add that in. Thanks for letting me know.

[notCalmYT]

> First FM
> 6 pages of nothing
> has no idea

I can't really think of someone acting oddly, so for now I'll just vote the one that made me lose more time reading all this nonsense

/vote Varanus

(no harsh feelings, the other sentence is just a tease, but whoever wants to lynch someone d1 in a obvious town majority situation always sounds mafia-ish to me)

[Technetium]

Okay. So. Oliy and Kirize. Oliy is acting a bit strange, but Incould see Town OR scum acting as he is.

Same for Kirize. Voting oliy like that could be Town pushing a suspect or scum pushing a mislynch, there isn't enough to say which it is yet.

[Cyantic]

OK, that was not an OMGUS, first of all. And oliy, do you understand what RVS means?

I was planning to unvote, but with your scummy reaction I think I'll stay on.

For those wondering, this is RVS. This stuff is allowed.

Why are you justifying your vote with 'this is RVS'? The final reason is pretty much textbook on why you'd want to keep your vote on someone.

Yeah obviously I'm scummy, you vote me after I ask you a question that could lead you to being NK, don't explain it, and when I ask you to explain you call it a scummy response.
Yeeaaaaaaaah :\

You asked him to explain the vote. He did.

I'm not seeing how you could glean that much information from his post, which was the whole point, really? Also, there was the two other things which I mentioned using 'what' for you to expand upon.

What's with the sudden obsession with NKs Kirize? Why does it matter what NK is if they die D1 :\

NKs are pretty big deals in games. Removing them makes everything a whole lot smoother. As smooth as I am, I'd say. B)

I-it's not like I wanted an answer or anything, b-b-Baka.

It's just a small thing to note on. I just want to look into him more later on just in case.
He just jumped onto the fact we should lynch NK when we can hardly gain any specific reads this early. I will look into him if NK is SK.
There's unlimited Pranks and they can fake actions such as roleblocks or douses either to mess with the town or claim, so it may be harder to distinguish what's a prank, but lack of ignition, following directions, or another NK douses can be proven false, and PRs can prove roleblocks false, plus people won't give up on actions.
Transporter only has one Self-Transport and it should be either saved or used once, similar to how you use a self-heal, except there are protectives otherwise. I wanted to point that out.

Okay, let me make a point here, Oliy. Finding the NK and lynching them is a generic townie statement. People have and will say this on any day there is a lynch. 'We should lynch a NK!' However, this isn't what Kirize said.

ANYWAY. Pros and cons of using our lynch today. Discuss.

Pros: If we lynch correctly, we gain an early majority. If it's an NK, we're pmuch guaranteed to win, especially if the NK is SK.

Cons: If we lynch incorrectly, we'd be giving scum a major advantage. If the NK is SK, we're at 7v5 and MyLo on D2, with a narrower MyLo on D3. We'd need to get rid of NK on D2 or D3.

Of course, we gain information no matter who is lynched, but it means less on D1.

This is just a basic overview, I'll be right back.

/pets cats

Also, I apologize for the lack of desus. I'm in a hurry.

It's a response to analyzing a lynch today.

Also, I was more talking about Rhazh here but /shrug.

Literally all you're saying is that it's possible for some pranks to be disproven here. Trans comment - ok, I guess?

> First FM
> 6 pages of nothing
> has no idea

I can't really think of someone acting oddly, so for now I'll just vote the one that made me lose more time reading all this nonsense

/vote Varanus

(no harsh feelings, the other sentence is just a tease, but whoever wants to lynch someone d1 in a obvious town majority situation always sounds mafia-ish to me)

So, you think a good majority of the game is mafia..?


things that were not smart - staying up late
getting up early to write a post
not eating breakfast
:(

[melanora]

No putting down the mangled dog in the corner. We try to save it first, dammit.

@Neas - NEXT TIME LEAVE SOME FOR ME WOULD YOU. MAYBE I WANTED STEAK AS WELL.

/vote Cow

Rare, please, with a side of broccoli.

[notCalmYT]

> First FM
> 6 pages of nothing
> has no idea

I can't really think of someone acting oddly, so for now I'll just vote the one that made me lose more time reading all this nonsense

/vote Varanus

(no harsh feelings, the other sentence is just a tease, but whoever wants to lynch someone d1 in a obvious town majority situation always sounds mafia-ish to me)

So, you think a good majority of the game is mafia..?


things that were not smart - staying up late
getting up early to write a post
not eating breakfast

Did you read what I wrote? I said whoever insists on voting someone randomly on a clear Town majority(10/15) situation sounds Mafia-ish, because Mafias know themselves and know who isn't. Pretty straightforward.

Or did I just accuse some of your "friends"...?

[Cyantic]

No, I'm afraid you didn't say that. What you did say is this: anyone who wants to lynch someone D1 in an obvious town majority situation. There's nothing there to make the conclusion of 'Randomly lynching is dumb lets not do it'. If there was, isn't that just common sense? Why make the post at all?

Now, you state that I'm misrepping you due to the fact that you called out some friends of mine. You've talked about two people, Varanus and I. I obviously can't be the person you're talking about, so Varanus. You talk about him because he made you read this game and lose some precious time (the horror). This is hardly a solid accusation if you're trying to present it as one and I don't think you are based on the wording you used. It seems like a joking vote to me, but hey, correct me if I'm wrong.

To make a rambling point shorter, I'm not sure you've got any truth in your post.

[oliy]

Yeah obviously I'm scummy, you vote me after I ask you a question that could lead you to being NK, don't explain it, and when I ask you to explain you call it a scummy response.
Yeeaaaaaaaah :\

You asked him to explain the vote. He did.

It was after more than an hour of the question being asked and continuous voting, and he just dodged the question. It may be part of his "reaction test" but he could've at least said "I'll tell you later."

Then what did Kirize say? It looked like that to me. I'm not scumreading Kirize for that, it's like the Rhazh thing, it's to look into. Kirize has done scummy things otherwise though.


Today's a short day, how do we want to go about lynching?
My ideas are:
-Choose a target at 24 hours to state a defense, and then claim if nothing is explained well enough
-Choose a target at 24 hours to claim
-Choose an online target at 12 hours to state a defense, and then claim if nothing is explained well enough
-Choose an online target at 6 hours to claim

[notCalmYT]

No, I'm afraid you didn't say that. What you did say is this: anyone who wants to lynch someone D1 in an obvious town majority situation. There's nothing there to make the conclusion of 'Randomly lynching is dumb lets not do it'. If there was, isn't that just common sense? Why make the post at all?

Now, you state that I'm misrepping you due to the fact that you called out some friends of mine. You've talked about two people, Varanus and I. I obviously can't be the person you're talking about, so Varanus. You talk about him because he made you read this game and lose some precious time (the horror). This is hardly a solid accusation if you're trying to present it as one and I don't think you are based on the wording you used. It seems like a joking vote to me, but hey, correct me if I'm wrong.

To make a rambling point shorter, I'm not sure you've got any truth in your post.

"whoever wants to lynch someone d1 in a obvious town majority situation always sounds mafia-ish to me"
I can't see anyone (got the pun? you even copied that wrong) getting misleaded by this sentence.

Evil duo spotted by the saltiness of this reaction. With "friends" I meant Mafia members, and since no other vote (and trust me, some other votes have been a LOT more random) was in any way contested by you, it only validates my opinion more.

Again, quoting myself: "no harsh feelings, the other sentence is just a tease" pretty much explains that the only important accusation that I made is Varanus strongly suggested a random d1 lynch, which is usually something that evil roles do, due to the fact that they know their allies.

I can't believe that with only 2 sentences I got you so focused on me. I'm expecting a n1 kill at this point.

[Varanus]

^
The heck is this

[notCalmYT]

Why wouldn't we lynch D1? There's literally no reason not to here.

We're using the lynch today, Tech.

Pros: We lynch someone
Cons: We lynch someone

Literally the exact same as any other lynch
Just a bit less to go on

Rolelist:
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafia Head
Random Mafia
Random Mafia

Witch
Neutral Killing

I'm just stating how scummy & Mafia-ish is to promote a d1 lynch, where 10/15 roles are Town and 3/5 evil roles know themselves. That's all.

[Varanus]

Town typically has majority when they lynch someone
What's your point

[notCalmYT]

Town typically has majority when they lynch someone
What's your point

Town doesn't know other Town roles, while Mafia does.
A Mafia member could promote random lynching knowing that there's a 100% chance they'll get a non-Mafia role accused, while if a Town member promotes a random lynch, 9/14 times he'll accuse another Town role (and in that case Mafia will support that knowing that's not one of their member).
Instead, if a Townie casually (like I think I just did) accuses one member of the Mafia (3/14 chance), the other members might rush and help out his fellow Mafia friend out of the accusation by saying "Why you want to lynch him omg you're such a random lyncher, you monstrous atrocity".
Too bad Cyantic REALLY wanted to lynch someone just before I accused you. Totally random. Totally not obvious Mafia.

[Varanus]

Or maybe he defended me because your argument was really bad

And if you could point out where I said I wanted a random lynch, go ahead and do that.