[Newcomer FM] NFM 3 | Game Over

[Metrion]

A bullet shot range out from the village. It was early morning and the crows began to caw and flee from the source. It was someone relatively knew in town, Jordarrian...

Rushing away from the house in a panic, you still grasp the gun that had taken the first life. It was difficult to do, even if you didn't know the guy. But it wasn't a negotiable thing, it had to of been done. Still, the look in his eyes, replaced with a dull, glazed over look after the loud bang. You weren't expecting such a bang, so you did what your instincts told you and ran, ran as fast as you could.

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Jordarrian was found dead, shot in the chest by the Mafia!

He had no last will and there was no death note...

We could find nothing, nothing at all about this man, it seems that he was relatively new to the town and thus there didn't seem too much special about him. He was written off as one of the Citizens.

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Day 2 Begins! Day will end on November 27th 6:30 pm [UTC -3] or when a majority is met.

168 hours remain.

[Lokiben]

Slept peacefully.


That was mean, mafia, he had waited weeks for this game :/

[Lokiben]

Slept peacefully.


That was mean, mafia, he had waited weeks for this game :/

I think there are two possible takeaways here: The mafia doesn't have a janitor, or whoever did the kill for the mafia last night was controlled by the witch, which would explain why they went after a newbie.

[melanora]

That was mean, mafia, he had waited weeks for this game :/

@Metrion / ObiWan - can we get that kid at the top of the NFM4 list? Legit, that does suck.

Guys, this is why we have so many Experienced Playerss... so that you can pick one of us to kill N1...


So, I slept peacefully.

SUPER MELA HELP TIME:

At the start of each day phase, we all say what happened to us during the night. If you are town, you should not lie about this AT ALL UNLESS UNLESS UNLESS you are a protective role and your protection was used during the night phase. If you are mafia, well, there should be an Experienced Player that will help you with that.

Also, in response to what Loki just offered - many possibilities. Nothing can be confirmed until after Night 2.

[TheCow]

Slept peacefully.

Role List
Spoiler: Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen - Jordarrian
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafioso OR Janitor OR Consigliere
Consigliere OR Framer OR Consort
Blackmailer OR Disguiser OR Mafioso

Witch

Night Results (Night One)
Spoiler:

1. Jordarrian Killed Night 1
   
2. KingOfEvil
3. becauseimbatman
4. Lokiben - Slept Peacefully
5. Latewood
6. frootiemel
7. Xanet734
8. NDM
9. moonbird
10. ObiWan
11. Melanora
12. TheCow - Slept Peacefully
13. Swordsworth

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Speculation: Mafia likely does not have a Janitor, due to the lack of a Clean. That, or potential Marshal in play. Or Mafia was controlled by the witch. If no one comes forward as "Witched", the third is likely the case (unless Jordarrian himself was witched).

[Swordsworth]

I slept peacefully.

Opinions on lack of clean?

[NDM]

I slept peacefully.

[TheCow]

I slept peacefully.

Opinions on lack of clean?

Speculation: Mafia likely does not have a Janitor, due to the lack of a Clean. That, or potential Marshal in play. Or Mafia was controlled by the witch. If no one comes forward as "Witched", the third is likely the case (unless Jordarrian himself was witched).

Or Mafia decided not to clean today to make it look like they don't have a Janitor, making it look more likely that a Consig or Mafioso might be in play.

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Hai guys! This is my first NFM. Good luck everyone!!

The guy's only post in the thread. Not much Kill Analysis can be done with this much. Random Kill or Witch Control looks likely -- the former would not occur if any experienced player were on the Mafia.

[KingOfEvil]

I slept peacefully.

A lack of a cleaning could very well mean there's no janitor, leaving consigliere or mafioso for sure in that spot. Or as mentioned by TheCow, there are a few more possible scenarios. I presume a janitor could also just not use their ability night one to throw the town off like this.

[becauseimbatman]

Slept peacefully.

My money goes to the possibility that the Witch found a Mafia member resulting in the death of a newcomer. Also, "because reasons"...prolonging the night phase makes me believe this. I imagined Met wondering on how he would prevent a newcomer's death without telling the Witch they found a Mafia and to target someone else.

If none of this is the case then I fear the possibility of Mafia having a Consig or Janitor in wait.

[Lokiben]

In the witch scenario, why would the witch control their target to a new player though? There's nothing to lose and much to gain from sending their target to an experienced player instead of an inexperienced one. In either scenario, it seems like the scum has some likely newbies in its ranks.

[TheCow]

Important thing to note, however : ALWAYS CLAIM DAY ONE IF YOU ARE SURVIVOR. If you claim Survivor at any point after Day One, you will not be believed and will die. But, no survivors in this game, so not applicable.

Survivor isn't possible, so I'm guessing this was a tangent.

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mumanora has not made any alignment indicative posts, going through her ISO. Minor playstyle coaching, nothing that pertains to the game, exactly.

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Swordscoach's #32,36,39 are all playstyle coaching. Nothing alignment indicative there. Relates to the game fairly well, though. Abstractly pro-town.

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Obee-One doesn't have any coaching posts, exactly. That isn't alignment indicative, he's a busy guy. Explains what Mafioso does. Nothing scummy in his setspec and not enough posts to gauge scumminess, so void.

In the witch scenario, why would the witch control their target to a new player though? There's nothing to lose and much to gain from sending their target to an experienced player instead of an inexperienced one. In either scenario, it seems like the scum has some likely newbies in its ranks.

Witch could be a new player, which would explain the target -- assuming a Witch.

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I'm liking the "witch" theory the most, as I don't feel an experienced player would allow their Mafia to target a first timer. RNG magic likely put at least one of us with the newbie scum, since they'd need the most coaching. Abductively, it (the witch theory) makes the most sense.

[NDM]

Maybe a two newbies got paried with each other. Say a GF and Mafioso and an experienced player as a non killing Mafia? Probably sucks

[TheCow]

Maybe a two newbies got paried with each other. Say a GF and Mafioso and an experienced player as a non killing Mafia? Probably sucks

The game mechanic Mafia Tactical is in play. This means that any member of the Mafia may execute the factional kill each night. As far as kill targeting goes, everyone in the Mafia has to agree to it for the moderator to accept the kill -- preference given to the one actually executing the kill.

That being said, Godfather cannot role in this game. I advise that you read the OP for more details.

[NDM]

Maybe a two newbies got paried with each other. Say a GF and Mafioso and an experienced player as a non killing Mafia? Probably sucks

The game mechanic Mafia Tactical is in play. This means that any member of the Mafia may execute the factional kill each night. As far as kill targeting goes, everyone in the Mafia has to agree to it for the moderator to accept the kill -- preference given to the one actually executing the kill.

That being said, Godfather cannot role in this game. I advise that you read the OP for more details.

When I have an idea I don't check sources for what ever reason I just say what I am thinking. It just how my mind works. Sorry again.

[TheCow]

That's fine, but be sure to read the OP so you know what ideas are or aren't possible. It'll help when we need to make deductive inferences later on.

[NDM]

That's fine, but be sure to read the OP so you know what ideas are or aren't possible. It'll help when we need to make deductive inferences later on.

Ok. Sorry again

[becauseimbatman]

Let's not make NDM feel too bad for not knowing about the GF situation.

From what I see I have to agree with others that the Witch is the cause and they are likely one of the newer players. I believe it might be one of the lurkers since they would be too nervous of posting and slipping up.

[frootiemel]

I slept like a baby.

[Latewood]

I slept peacefully.

Speculation: Mafia likely does not have a Janitor, due to the lack of a Clean. That, or potential Marshal in play. Or Mafia was controlled by the witch. If no one comes forward as "Witched", the third is likely the case (unless Jordarrian himself was witched).

I don't understand how the Marshal could cause the killing, if someone is scared off of a target does that mean that they target someone else? I thought it just acted to prevent harm being done to that character.

I agree go with the theory of the Witch happening to control a mafioso member that then killed Jordarrian, that would seem to make the most sense to me.

[melanora]

Your list sucks, Cow. Leave it to the professionals.

WIFOM about the fact it was a new person killed. No experienced player would do that. It makes me think there is no experienced player on Mafia Team. That stated, it's a great way to try to vet yourself. I strongly think witch is in play here, but, we'll see. Again, there's no telling for sure until after N2.

@batman - don't try to look into Met extending night phase. more than likely, he was busy with school work.

@MooCow:
1. I was just speaking in general.
2. Mumanora > Angrynora. I'm Mumanora in NFM. Expect me to be more gentle, and guiding, and refer to my hello post. I don't try to force my opinion. I just, you know... guide the little ducklings into the pond and try to keep them from drowning. I expect you to play baddad later.

Maybe a two newbies got paried with each other. Say a GF and Mafioso and an experienced player as a non killing Mafia? Probably sucks

This is the second time you have referred to a Godfather, and when we corrected you on it the first time, you made it out to sound like you were just speaking in general - but now, you're speaking specifically about this game. Please read the OP.

Let's not make NDM feel too bad for not knowing about the GF situation.

Once is whatever. Twice you pay attention to.

Speculation: Mafia likely does not have a Janitor, due to the lack of a Clean. That, or potential Marshal in play. Or Mafia was controlled by the witch. If no one comes forward as "Witched", the third is likely the case (unless Jordarrian himself was witched).

I don't understand how the Marshal could cause the killing, if someone is scared off of a target does that mean that they target someone else? I thought it just acted to prevent harm being done to that character.

Marshal doesn't cause the killing. A Marshal scares off scum, but they can only scare off scum. What Cow is speculating is that the Marshal scared off the Janitor, but the Mafia Kill still went through.

Again, all of this is WIFOM, whether it be about WHO the target was, or if there is a Janitor, and will not be made clear until after N2, and at least until all night results are in. So, let's just wait and see.

[melanora]

COUNTDOWN TO END OF DAY TWO

Role List:
Spoiler: Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen - Jordarrian
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafioso OR Janitor OR Consigliere
Consigliere OR Framer OR Consort
Blackmailer OR Disguiser OR Mafioso

Witch

Player Post List
Spoiler: MOD POSTS
KingOfEvil
becauseimbatman
Lokiben
Latewood
frootiemel
Xanet734
NDM
moonbird
ObiWan
Melanora
TheCow
Swordsworth

Night One List
Spoiler: Jordarrian - Killed N1 by Mafia - Town Citizen
KingOfEvil - Slept Peacefully
becauseimbatman - Slept Peacefully
Lokiben - Slept Peacefully
Latewood - Slept Peacefully
frootiemel - Slept Peacefully
Xanet734
NDM - Slept Peacefully
moonbird
ObiWan
Melanora - Slept Peacefully
TheCow - Slept Peacefully
Swordsworth - Slept Peacefully

[melanora]

Mmmk so waiting on three people. Thus far, no one has claimed RBd or Witched. We can assume that Mafia was perhaps Witched, and, there's always the possibility that Jordarrian was RBd [or witched]. I doubt any Mafia member would be crazy enough to not claim RBd, as that would hint to the Escort that they were lying.

[Latewood]

WIFOM about the fact it was a new person killed. No experienced player would do that. It makes me think there is no experienced player on Mafia Team. That stated, it's a great way to try to vet yourself. I strongly think witch is in play here, but, we'll see. Again, there's no telling for sure until after N2.

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Speculation: Mafia likely does not have a Janitor, due to the lack of a Clean. That, or potential Marshal in play. Or Mafia was controlled by the witch. If no one comes forward as "Witched", the third is likely the case (unless Jordarrian himself was witched).

I don't understand how the Marshal could cause the killing, if someone is scared off of a target does that mean that they target someone else? I thought it just acted to prevent harm being done to that character.

Marshal doesn't cause the killing. A Marshal scares off scum, but they can only scare off scum. What Cow is speculating is that the Marshal scared off the Janitor, but the Mafia Kill still went through.

Again, all of this is WIFOM, whether it be about WHO the target was, or if there is a Janitor, and will not be made clear until after N2, and at least until all night results are in. So, let's just wait and see.

I wanted to go back to the fact that it was a new person killed. It was pointed out several times that all of the new people didn't have to worry the first night. There is no reason that anyone would lie about that. Seeing that this is set up to be a game that teaches us newer players to play it would be counter productive to kill the newbies, so the idea that they were killed by an experienced player is off the table. I think that if one of the new players had a role that allowed them to kill and they attempted to target one of the new players they would be gently reminded that they should target someone who was experienced. So if that's the case that we are all under the impression that the first night was safe for the new players why would the town protective protect one of the new players?

And if the mafia had a janitor the same issue would apply, why would the janitor target a new player? So the mafia may contain a janitor, they just targeted the wrong person. That's why I think the answer has to be that a witch was involved.

[melanora]

That's the point - it's basically an unwritten rule not to kill new people night one. It's not an official one. It creates questions there. Furthermore, always clean Night One. It means you have a safe claim to grab if they had a role. Nothing is for certain until you have more proof.