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[Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Mafia Wins! (Insert Salt here)

Postby ObiWan » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:56 pm

Newcomer Forum Mafia


Please read the rules below fully.

General Rules:

  1. Be respectful. Should be self-explanatory. No tolerance against racial/homophobic/sexist remarks. If you feel this rule isn't being followed, send the moderator in question a PM.
  2. Do not discuss the game outside of the thread unless otherwise stated. If you have a question about this, ask the mod.
  3. Do not quote any messages from / conversations with the moderator. If you have a question about this, ask the mod.
  4. Do not gamethrow. "Gamethrowing" means actively trying to undermine your, or your faction's, chances of winning.
  5. If you are inactive for more than 36 hours, you will receive a prod, and have 18 hours to reply. If you do not reply within 18 hours, you will be removed. However if your posts are found to not actually try to include content to futher the game, they will not count towards resetting the prod timer. Said content is evaluated under the moderator's discretion. You will be told if your post is valid or not.
  6. Quoting and then editing another player's post for the purpose of misleading is prohibited. Editing to simply cut down the post content to what is relevant is allowed.
  7. Any breaking of the above rules will be treated on a case by case basis - some will receive a warning, while others might result in higher punishment.
  8. Be sure to look at ObiWan's Rules for more info, some of the rolecards that will be used and the ECO if you don't know how a situation is handled.
  9. Lastly, If you have any questions, feel free to ask the moderator. We'll be glad to answer any doubts you may have.


Joining-specific rules:
  • Joining this game is done so through a queue. As the queue is filled up, a new game will begin after the previous one has ended. Each game will have at least 8-9 "newer" players and at least 2-3 "experienced" players.
  • Newer vs Experienced players will be decided under the moderator's discretion.
  • The Newbie Games do not count against your maximum game count. Any substitutes will be experienced players only, so that newer members can fully experience a game from start to finish.
  • A "newbie" classifies someone new to FM who doesn't have quite the hang of the game yet, or just someone new to the "mafia" genre in general. Experience from other forums may carry over.
  • You must have played in two (2) games or less to be considered a newcomer, barring a few cases. Any more than that, you will have to be invited by the mod after PM'ing them.

Unused roles:
Spoiler: Mayor, Lawyer, Jailor, Retributionist, Transporter.
Godfather, Prankster, Agent
Neutral Benigns, Bomber, Neutral Killings


Spy Role Card Change
Spoiler: Spy

You are a Spy.

Your alignment is Town Investigative.

You were once used in battle with the goal of gaining information about enemy tactics.
You were able to retire young, having gained the support of the military who in turn paid you very handsomely.
However, your stay in the town of Salem does not remain the peaceful retirement you once envisioned due to the Mafia invasion.

Each day you can send three anonymous messages to any player. The player may send a message back if they wish.
Anonymous messages are limited to 200 characters.
You also have the ability to see who the Mafia visit at night. You will not know what Mafia role visited which player; all you will know is that they were visited by a member of the Mafia.

You win with the Town
You win with Survivors
You must kill the Mafia
You must kill Arsonists
You must kill Witches
You must kill Serial Killers
You must kill Stalkers
You must kill Bombers
You may spare anyone else


Investigation Results:

Spoiler: Your target is very skilled in their line of work. They must be an Sheriff, Investigator, or Consigliere!
Your target is familiar with death. They must be a Medium, Doctor or Janitor!
Your target has a disruptive presence. They must be an Escort, Marshal or Consort!
Your target is secretive. They must be a Spy, Lookout or Blackmailer!
Your target is very full of themselves. They must be a Bodyguard, Disguiser or Witch!
Your target owns guns. They must be a Vigilante, Veteran or Mafioso!
Your target is involved with deception. They must be a Framer!
Your target is an ordinary townsfolk. They must be a Citizen!


Sheriff Results
Spoiler: Your target is Not Suspicious. (Non-mafia)
Your target is Suspicious! (Mafia member or framed)


Features:
  • A gamemode specifically made as a starting point for new players, with a couple of mod-invited experienced players. They'd be playing less to win, and more to guide the game to a natural conclusion.
  • A queue-based signups.
  • D1 FAQ (FM etymology, mechanics explanation, general FM introduction, etc.)
  • Player-by-player in-depth reviews post game, aiming towards improving each player's skill level.

ISO List:
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SirCakez
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Retterime
CJBlack44/Varanus
HereToPlay
MamiT0m0e
Lokiben
MindSlayer/Cyantic
Metrion
Swordsworth
Alzar
melanora
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Preparing

Postby ObiWan » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:00 pm

Rolelist:
Spoiler: Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Mafioso OR Janitor OR Consigliere
Consigliere OR Framer OR Consort
Blackmailer OR Disguiser OR Mafioso

Witch

No whispers. Only one Citizen may roll in Random Town.
Only 1 Mafioso will be allowed to roll, if there is one.


Winners
3.HerobrineFan dystropia Arpitr20 - Mafioso
8. Lokiben - Consort
10. Metrion - Janitor
13. melanora - Witch

Not Winners
Arcs booty
11. Swordsworth - Shot by Mafia N1 - Cleaned
4. Retterime - Lynched D2 - Investigator
2. James2 - Lynched D3 - Sheriff
7. MamiT0m0e - Shot by Mafia N3 - Citizen
12. Alzar ADorkofPork - Lynched D4 - Escort
5. CJBlack44 Varanus - Shot by Mafia N4 - Citizen
9. MindSlayer Cyantic - Veteran
6. HereToPlay - Doctor
1. SirCakez - Died by Saltiness to the eyes D5 - Citizen


Timeline of Events
Day 2 begins
Day 3 begins
Day 4 begins
End of Game
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Re: NFM 2 | FAQ

Postby ObiWan » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:11 pm

Introduction and mechanics.

First of all, welcome to the second NFM game. Some of you have already played before, while others are bland new, so I'll try to keep this simple.
Forum Mafia, or FM in short, is a game about deception between the two main factions: The uninformed majority (town) and the informed minority (mafia), with, most of the time, a third-party (neutrals) trying to fufill their own goals along the way. Logic, mind games, etc. are all part and usual of mafia.

Town and Mafia both have pretty straight-foward win conditions: eliminate the opposite team, and all neutrals with a night killing ability (Neutral Killings*). While the mafia has the opportunity to kill periodically, the town cannot rely on their own killing roles to win the game - for that, they must vote to kill a player by "lynch".
*Note: There are no Neutral Killings in this current game, due to the lower amount of players.

The game is divided in two phases: the Day, and the Night.

  • The former is when the players post on the gamethread, discussing about what happened during the night, other players and who should be voted for the lynch. This is also when Whispers* are sent. The first day lasts 24 hours but no lynchs occur during it. The following days last 120 hours (5 real-life days) and lynches are allowed, these which will occur after the majority has been reached. To vote, just post "/vote PlayerNameExample". When a player is lynched, they are killed and removed from the game, with their role and last will (if they have one) being shown to public.
  • The latter is a 48-hour period where any player who has a night action may use it (unless jailed). **During this phase the Mafia privately talks on their mafia chat. After the 48 hours are over, all actions are carried out, and the personal results of this phase shall be privately messaged (PM'd) to each player.

*Note: There are no whispers present in this game.
**Note: Day chat is currently allowed. Mafia does not have day chat in regular games, unless a role in play specifically states otherwise.


The game will only end once one of the major factions (or a NK) fufills their condition.

PM Protocols
When sending me the information below, make sure one of the following is in the subject line:
"NFM Last Will" for Last Wills.
"NFM Death Note" for Death Notes.
"NFM Night Action" for Night Actions.

Mafia Tactical is in play: Meaning - Any memeber of the Mafia may sacrifice their night action to make the factional kill at night.
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Terminology.

General terms:

Role Card: The PM which contains the player's role, alignment and abilities.
Game Throwing: Playing against your win condition with the intent of making your own faction lose.
Hard Claim: Directly stating one's own role on the game thread.
Soft Claim: Hinting one's role without explicity stating it.
Counter Claim (CC): Making a claim which directly contradicts someone else's. E.g Player A hardclaims Citizen, but Player B is a Lookout who saw them visiting, so they hardclaim and bring up their evidence.
Fake Claim: Claiming a role which is not their own's. E.g When a mafia member is demanded to hardclaim, they almost always fakeclaim instead.
Scum/Scummy: Scum is the name given to any role which doesn't win with town, and needs to be eliminated for town's win condition. Being scummy means adopting a behaviour which doesn't line up with the behaviour expected from a town member.
Confirmed: Being 100% confirmed as a certain [role]/[alignment].
No Lynch: Instead of voting for a player, you may also "/vote No Lynch". If majority reaches on a No Lynch, no player is killed. A No Lynch will also occur when the amount of time for the Day phase is over and majority hasn't been reached. No Lynching is, the majority of the time, benefitial to scum, so aiming towards it is generally scummy.
Reads/Reading: The read you have on a player is the conclusion about their alignment and/or role through their posts or other factors.
WIFOM: WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny.
Mislynch: An incorrect lynch on a town member.
Tunneling: Solely focusing on a player and their posts, ignoring others. Often considered scummy.
Last Will: A personal "diary", per see, in which the player may choose to write whatever they consider relevant. Automatically revealed upon death.

Slighter uncommon terms:

FoS - Finger of Suspicion. Putting the Finger of Suspicion onto a player means that one is calling that player scummy and saying that other players should keep an eye on that player. [Alt. Hand of Suspicion (HoS)]
LyLo - Lynch or Lose. A stage in the game where town must lynch scum or they lose. See also: MyLo.
MyLo - Mislynch and Lose. A stage in the game where if town mislynches (lynches town) and the Mafia make a kill town loses.
PoE - Process of Elimination.
OMGUS - "oh my god you suck". An acronym used to describe retaliatory actions such as votes. Ex: voting a player because they voted you citing the reason "because they are stupid".
PbPA - Post by Post Analysis. Analyzing a player's posts in succession, typically associated with ISO.
ISO - Isolation. Looking at a player's total posts in a game, in succession.

For a more complete list, feel free to look here.

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Playing as Town

While Mafia can talk strategy during the night (and in the case of this game, during the day), the town needs to use the day phase to discuss and figure out who is and isn't town as well. What can you do, then?
Try to progress discussion in a fashion which will be benefitial to the town, try to look for posts that feel scummy, ask and answer questions other players have made, try to see which intentions a player has behind their posts, be active and post reads regularly. Avoid plays which could benefit scum instead (e.g Hardclaiming for no reason, fakeclaiming), and try your best to think for yourself - it's a common mistake to follow blindly whatever other players have to say.

And be sure to read ObiWan's guide about playing as Citizen.

Playing as Mafia

As scum, you should play exactly like you would as town - be active, post reads, try to look productive, etc. The difference here are your goals: Hiding information, misleading the town and stalling out long enough until they no longer outnumber you. This means appearing as scum-hunting, but in actuality pushing for a mislynch by questioning, false reading and trying to depict a player as scum. However, keep in mind that if a teammate is acting undeniably scummy and their lynch looks like the right call, try not to oppose it too obviously - or it could be tracked back to you.
And remember: you are a team, and thus communication is essential. Try to talk over every situation so you can plan in advance.

Playing as Neutral

There is pretty much only two possible roles in play here, so to be short: Push for your goal actively, but be careful. As Exe, don't let yourself look as scum tunneling, but instead play as a town member would - take your time to focus on others and legit scumhunting. As Jester, be anti-town, but don't be too obvious, so the town won't have second thoughts about your lynch.

Golden Rules:
Don't claim Neutral.
Don't be inactive.
Remember what your goals are at all times.
Don't panic if you commit a mistake, but try to work your way around it.
Have fun. It's a game, after all.

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For anything else, feel free to ask me, the experienced players and/or take a look at the FM Main Hub.
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Re: NFM 2 | Confirmation

Postby ObiWan » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:25 pm

SirCakez will be replacing hippotato as he has not been online since October 8th.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Confirmation

Postby ObiWan » Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:40 pm

becauseimbatman has failed to confirm his spot on time. Therefore - he will be replaced in the game.

I will try to find a new player to replace in. If I cannot by tomorrow evening, I will look at others who are more experienced.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Confirmation

Postby ObiWan » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:15 am

CJBlack44 will take over becauseimbatman's spot. Day 1 will start shortly!

Thank you all for being patient.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Confirmation

Postby ObiWan » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:24 am

The sleepy little town of Salem woke up from their comfy little beds. Suddenly, they heard screams coming from the town hall. Rushing over, still in their pajamas, they saw it. Blood was everywhere...
Written in wet blood was a message for the town.
"We're coming for you."


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Day 1 finally begins!

24 hours remain in Day 1

Day 1 will end on October 23rd at 9:30AM MDT


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Reminders
On Day 1 there is no lynching.
To submit your Last Will/Night Action/Death Note: Follow the steps under "PM Protocols" in the Introduction and mechanics post.
If you have any questions, feel free to post them in the thread and either I or an experienced player will answer you.
Read the OP/Introduction and mechanics carefully.
Overall, have fun!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Mindslayer » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:33 am

... First
My alt is trialtest, just in case another thing like this happens again :(
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Retterime » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:34 am

*smokes pipe* Well what do we have here?
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby SirCakez » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:49 am

Hello guys!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Alzar » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:50 am

Hi everyone!

I know I've seen some of you around on FM, but for those who don't know: Me, Swordsworth, melanora, and Metrion are your experienced players for this game, which means that if you have any questions at all, you should either ask us on the thread or PM Obi. There are other people here who've played games on this site, but we're supposed to be here for teaching theory or helping out with things that you don't understand.

I'll be able to post something of actual substance in a bit, this is just my obligatory introduction post. Looking forward to playing with all of you!
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Lokiben » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:53 am

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby CJBlack44 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:06 am

Hi guys :D Nice to meet you all :)
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby CJBlack44 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:14 am

CJBlack44 wrote:Hi guys :D Nice to meet you all :)


And for some of you, nice to see you again :D Didn't notice at first that there were so many familiar faces in the list ^.^
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Alzar » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:19 am

Alright, so everyone should take another look at the rolelist. It's an 8v3v1 list at the moment. That means that we have some breathing space and can afford a single mislynch on D2, if I'm doing my math right.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Swordsworth » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:25 am

Nice to meet you all, here's to a great game. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Welcome to FM! :D

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby HereToPlay » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:27 am

Nice to meet you all, did not expect to see you here too mindslayer
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby SirCakez » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:29 am

A question to every own playing: who do you believe is the priority lynch target and why?
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby SirCakez » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:29 am

SirCakez wrote:A question to everyone playing: who do you believe is the priority lynch target and why?

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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby CJBlack44 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:41 am

SirCakez wrote:
SirCakez wrote:A question to everyone playing: who do you believe is the priority lynch target and why?

Fixed typo


I'm sorry, I don't really understand the question... :? Do you mean between the Witch and the Mafia?
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby melanora » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:41 am

-waves hello-

What the other Experienced ones said! Sort of!

I'm Melanora. You can just call me Mel. I'm the pregnant goat lady. Ret, you are in the FM Discussion Skype Chat, right? I feel like I saw you there the other day. Glad to see we can share a game.

Obviously some of you have already rolled through a few games or the other NFM game, but if you have questions, you know, just ask.

@Nerdzar - before you even ask, I am going to type up the link list in the few. @Everyone - The link list I do is something I do in all of my games for my organization need, but feel free to make one of your own. There's a tutorial someone else did in the discussion about it if you want to figure out how to do it.

ALSO on this forum you can do drafts, whether it be for a game OR for PMs, so, if you want to do a list like this, but don't want to post it, that option is there as well. Also, google docs. Some of us use google docs to take notes.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby melanora » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:42 am

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SirCakez wrote:A question to everyone playing: who do you believe is the priority lynch target and why?

Fixed typo


I'm sorry, I don't really understand the question... :? Do you mean between the Witch and the Mafia?


Yes. But also more in depth than that. In some games, you will have four mafia members, a SK, and a NK. It's always interesting to know who thinks what is the most important to find.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby Alzar » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:54 am

@SirCakez: Alignment-wise, the Mafia would be the best to lynch. The Witch would be second on my list, being harder to find by nature of being Neutral, and also running the risk of crashing into scum. Then you have to consider the fact that half the Town roles are Citizens, which means a third of the time, the Witch probably wouldn't accomplish anything at all.

Role-wise, I'd put Consort/Janitor/Mafioso as the highest lynching priority, Framer/Disguiser/Blackmailer at a moderate priority, and Consigliere/Witch as the lowest current threat.

Consort/Janitor/Mafioso - Consort has a high risk of disrupting night actions on the night they occur, which is troublesome for power roles. Janitor can mess with day results, as Janitor can hide a role everyone but the Mafia.
Framer/Disguiser/Blackmailer - Deception roles are troubling considering how Investigative results work, and if I'm reading the rolecards right, Spy messages appear the same as Blackmailer messages.
Consigliere/Witch - Consigliere's results can only be acted on by the next night, so there would be a delay in it's effectiveness. Witch because it's inconvenient to find and has a decent chance of messing with scum's results.
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby HereToPlay » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:58 am

SirCakez wrote:A question to every own playing: who do you believe is the priority lynch target and why?


Well, I would say that the Mafia are the priority lynch targets, unless the witch finds (and controls) a vig or a protective role, THEN the witch is the priority lynch target.

Then again, I'm new and probably not talking much sense
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Re: [Newcomer FM] NFM 2 | Day 1 (It begins!)

Postby SirCakez » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:59 am

HereToPlay wrote:
SirCakez wrote:A question to every own playing: who do you believe is the priority lynch target and why?


Well, I would say that the Mafia are the priority lynch targets, unless the witch finds (and controls) a vig or a protective role, THEN the witch is the priority lynch target.

Then again, I'm new and probably not talking much sense

Everyone's opinion matters, new or not
@CJ yes that's what I meant
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