CFM8|SA II|Pirates & Jester win|Bus Ride on the High Seas

[ICECLIMBERS]

/unvote

Akame, who did the mafias visit on N1? Is it what Arckas stated?

[RockFire]

I guess Cow could be lying about being attacked and healed, while telling the truth about being roleblocked to cover for no Pirate kill.

Hmmm, I'm actually curious, Knock never expressed doubt in Cow's night results until here and even then it's shakey at best. Arckas, if Knock claimed that no Mafia visited Cow N1, why was he not more skeptical here?

[Akame]

/unvote

Akame, who did the mafias visit on N1? Is it what Arckas stated?

Yes. Arckas has the right list.

Knock's list is this:
n1- Animate, Rock, Small, Fire, FML, Arckas =6visits
n2- ICE, Fire x2, Cow, Mole, Neasans =6 visits

Where is the one visit from n2? n1 janitor obviously didn't clean and and I don't see a reason why mafia would let anyone else not perform their night ability.

[Animate]

I'm really confused right now. How did gir/Fire get mixed up in the results if Akame didn't include them?

I'm real spy. I saw Knock's fake claim in the whisper. Knock is the real agent. I wouldn't never counter claim real spy as agent. Neasans was visited but I decided not to include her in my coded whisper because she was killed by mafia. Maybe I should've told that Neasans was visited twice. Did you ever wonder why there was a random number 7 in middle of the whisper just hanging around? That was total number of visit for the night.

If Neasans was visited twice, did you think that was odd at all? Why did you think that wasn't important to include?

I'll also be curious to hear what Knock says.

I'll look back at Akame and Knock's posts from earlier days.

[ICECLIMBERS]

/unvote

Akame, who did the mafias visit on N1? Is it what Arckas stated?

Yes. Arckas has the right list.

Knock's list is this:
n1- Animate, Rock, Small, Fire, FML, Arckas =6visits
n2- ICE, Fire x2, Cow, Mole, Neasans =6 visits

Where is the one visit from n2? n1 janitor obviously didn't clean and and I don't see a reason why mafia would let anyone else not perform their night ability.

I thought you said that Neasans was visited twice.

If you're right then the zombies probably investigated Fire on the first night. It also appears that there's a framer that potentially framed Small/Arckas and then Cow/Mole.

[Akame]

/unvote

Akame, who did the mafias visit on N1? Is it what Arckas stated?

Yes. Arckas has the right list.

Knock's list is this:
n1- Animate, Rock, Small, Fire, FML, Arckas =6visits
n2- ICE, Fire x2, Cow, Mole, Neasans =6 visits

Where is the one visit from n2? n1 janitor obviously didn't clean and and I don't see a reason why mafia would let anyone else not perform their night ability.

I thought you said that Neasans was visited twice.

If you're right then the zombies probably investigated Fire on the first night. It also appears that there's a framer that potentially framed Small/Arckas and then Cow/Mole.

That's Knock's list of mafia visits not mine.

[RockFire]

Akame's claim
Night 1: K1llthestory, FMLShewas12, Animate, RockFire, ICECLIMBERS, and ADorkofPork = 6 visits
Night 2: ICECLIMBERS, Metrion, Neasans x2, Firefly x2, and PolikShadow = 7 visits

For night one, I'd say deception roles targeted K1ll along with Dork. I think that a Consig was on me. That leaves Animate and ICE as the two people that could have been attacked by the Pirates. Interesting.

Knock's claim:
n1- Animate, Rock, Small, Fire, FML, Arckas = 6 visits
n2- ICE, Fire x2, Cow, Mole, Neasans = 6 visits

This shows that Small was framed/disguised, I was Consiged, and Arckas was Framed/disguised. Leaving Animate as the only person that could have been the attack target.

I think that the three visits in common (myself, FML, Animate) mean that the person lying would have to be part of the zombies considering they would be the only mafia team to have not used a member (Janitor) right away. They also wouldn't want to out their GF that was likely targeted by the Pirates. Ergo, that would have to mean that if Knock is scum, ICE is the Zombie Head by the results.

[ICECLIMBERS]

Akame's claim
Night 1: K1llthestory, FMLShewas12, Animate, RockFire, ICECLIMBERS, and ADorkofPork = 6 visits
Night 2: ICECLIMBERS, Metrion, Neasans x2, Firefly x2, and PolikShadow = 7 visits

For night one, I'd say deception roles targeted K1ll along with Dork. I think that a Consig was on me. That leaves Animate and ICE as the two people that could have been attacked by the Pirates. Interesting.

Knock's claim:
n1- Animate, Rock, Small, Fire, FML, Arckas = 6 visits
n2- ICE, Fire x2, Cow, Mole, Neasans = 6 visits

This shows that Small was framed/disguised, I was Consiged, and Arckas was Framed/disguised. Leaving Animate as the only person that could have been the attack target.

I think that the three visits in common (myself, FML, Animate) mean that the person lying would have to be part of the zombies considering they would be the only mafia team to have not used a member (Janitor) right away. They also wouldn't want to out their GF that was likely targeted by the Pirates. Ergo, that would have to mean that if Knock is scum, ICE is the Zombie Head by the results.

Or Dork/Polik who came up as a Godfather would've been the one who was attacked.

[RockFire]

At least, theoretically if the Mafia is playing optimal to not reveal their teammates with claims and if they did the sensible thing to frame the mislynch targets and try and kill low priority, but solid players.

There's still the possibility that it's Dork/Polik. I simply forgot that they had the same slot. I apologize for that and thank you for pointing it out ICE.

That means that the only people that can be the person attacked would be Polik or ICE. This itself lends to the theory that Polik is the GF of the Zombies. Hmmmm, you know what? I think a Knockoff lynch would reveal much more than an Akame lynch and I'm beginning to think Akame is the one that's truthful.

Here's a placeholder for now.
/vote Knockoff

[RockFire]

Also, to lend to that theory, Knock and Akame both have that Neasans was visited, Fire was visited twice, and that ICE was visited. If we use the same process as what I did on the night one results, it would mean Polik is the head of the Zombies considering he assumed a Pirate planked him because he knows his team doesn't have one.

So I think that having Polik be rimmed into me is a good idea if and only if Knock flips scum if we lynch him. That also means that the Janitor is a medium claimer. We could potentially wipe out the Zombies by tomorrow and negate their kill tonight if I am correct.

[Metrion]

Night 2: ICECLIMBERS, Metrion, Giris, Firefly x2, and PolikShadow

So that, to this:

Night 2: ICECLIMBERS, Metrion, Neasans x2, Firefly x2, and PolikShadow

The reason being faulty coding if I'm understanding? Jeez.


Akame's recklessness and good deal of softing with that early quote give their claim some punch compared to Knockoff. We know one or both have to be lying, so I guess I'm inclined to believe Akame.

[Akame]

Night 2: ICECLIMBERS, Metrion, Giris, Firefly x2, and PolikShadow

So that, to this:

Night 2: ICECLIMBERS, Metrion, Neasans x2, Firefly x2, and PolikShadow

The reason being faulty coding if I'm understanding? Jeez.


Akame's recklessness and good deal of softing with that early quote give their claim some punch compared to Knockoff. We know one or both have to be lying, so I guess I'm inclined to believe Akame.

I didn't want to hard claim spy right there. I didn't want to tell scum which invest role they were dealing with.

[Metrion]

Maybe you could of put a little more effort into getting the code across?

Knock wouldn't because he's seen that every Agent claiming Spy gets caught. Ergo, your argument there hold no grounds.

I want to point out that this is hilarious.


I cannot find anything in Knock's posts, but I'm going to encourage everyone to take a look. The flip is going to make dissecting these interesting. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26654&sk=a&start=1450 around where they start.

[Animate]

I'm real spy. I saw Knock's fake claim in the whisper. Knock is the real agent. I wouldn't never counter claim real spy as agent. Neasans was visited but I decided not to include her in my coded whisper because she was killed by mafia. Maybe I should've told that Neasans was visited twice. Did you ever wonder why there was a random number 7 in middle of the whisper just hanging around? That was total number of visit for the night.

If Neasans was visited twice, did you think that was odd at all? Why did you think that wasn't important to include?

Akame, did you see this?

Akame's posts: I still find those posts on the survivor D1 to be weird, and for me, that's what called attention to Akame in the first place. I still get an odd vibe reading through Akame's posts, but certain things to seem to be put into context now, whether Akame is a spy or agent. Does seem a bit more open to sharing thoughts, but I'm not aware of Akame's playstyle.
Knock's posts: ..I don't know. There doesn't seem to be anything inherently off, other than the tunneling on Akame, though I don't know if Akame had whispered a role/information to Arckas before Knock started being more aggressive D2. It would make more sense if Knock knew Akame claimed spy at that point.

Here are their reactions to the pretzel spy/agent thing D2:

The title is Day 9.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=25213

The ninth role card is Spy. He told me that it was his role.
I am the master Agent Catcher.

He claims spy and you trust him. He didn't even give his results to the mayor I believe.

In support of Pretz flat-out giving his night results in-thread.
-snip-

Neither of them say much on the issue (though I don't know what had happened at that point timeline-wise). Akame's post seems to imply more disbelief, while Knock seems to want to test legitimacy.

[ICECLIMBERS]

Did Knock want pretzel to put his results in the thread before or after he have Arckas his own results?

[Animate]

Did Knock want pretzel to put his results in the thread before or after he have Arckas his own results?

That was Day 2, and I don't think Knock claimed/sent anything back then, so before. Others who supported the public results at that point: Metrion, Vucub, before Knock posted that here.

[ICECLIMBERS]

Did Knock want pretzel to put his results in the thread before or after he have Arckas his own results?

That was Day 2, and I don't think Knock claimed/sent anything back then, so before. Others who supported the public results at that point: Metrion, Vucub, before Knock posted that here.

So he wanted to know who a spy claimed visited when he wanted to claim spy himself… interesting.
So either he wanted to compare…
or to snoop…

[Moleland]

It seems that lynching Knock as the more likely agent would be a good idea.


They seem slightly less convincing than Akame to me. I can't believe I said that. Akame has seemed scummy all game, yet now they seem more convincing. Wow.

[pretzellover33]

/vote knockoff

[Metrion]

Care to share anything pretz?

[pretzellover33]

Care to share anything pretz?

blah blah im parroting/sheeping and don't care.

[ICECLIMBERS]

Let's assume that Akame is telling the truth.
K1llthestory- visited by a deception role?
FML- killed
ADorkofPork- attacked
Animate, RockFire- Tapped? Investigated?
Me- ???

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Neasans- killed and tapped/investigated
Firelight- killed and cleaned
Polik- pranked
Metrion- Taped? Investigated?
Me- ???

So I have a hunch as to why I would have been visited both nights, but it requires hardclaiming unless I whisper it to Rock or Arckas...

So

Zombie Lord
Zombie Support- Telepath?
Random Zombie- Vandal
Random Zombie- Informant? Prankster? Framer?

Captain
Pirate Deception- Disguiser
Random Pirate- Crow's Nest? Cabin's Boy?
Random Pirate- Parrot Keeper? Forger?

There's a possibility of a framer since it's hard to distinguish their visits from that of a consig. But it appears that we do have a consig and also an invest claim that knew Polik was a GF- like the pirates would- and knowing that Arckas was mayor. The sheriff that found milte is probably telling the truth.

[ICECLIMBERS]

There's a possibility of a framer since it's hard to distinguish their visits from that of a consig. But it appears that we do have a consig and also an invest claim that knew Polik was a GF- like the pirates would- and knew that Arckas was mayor. The sheriff that found milte is probably telling the truth.

Fixed

[ICECLIMBERS]

*tumbleweeds*

So we have what , 8 hours?

/vote Knockoff

[Arckas]

Alright then. One or the other.

I don't know how you could think I understood you, you put 7 which I took for Giris. I don't understand where you get Neseans from that. Its also very convenient that you just so happened to have targeted Knockoff, someone who gives off know indication and is inactive, to be the one you whisper to. Almost as if you targeted me, heard that knockoff claim to me, and tried your best to hide the fact.

Since both spies are revealed, I think that if knockoff is the spy that the vigilante should shoot Akame then. If Knockoff is cleaned, forget it. Please vote Knockoff now.