FM 7C | Hydra | The Titanic [Mafia + Witch Win]

[DizzyWaddleDoo]

I'm awake now. Thanks for starting while I was asleep.
Role claiming would only be possible in this game by doing it in the thread. Not the best situation.

[leyva45]

CowGod is our almighty ruler and savior.

[Alzar]

So. How should we manage roleclaims?

One possible (if inconvenient) solution would be to post an appointed time where everyone posts, all at once. We have the partners working for us in that aspect, since two people can cover more time, and timezones are suddenly helpful. Still, it'd be inconvenient.

What do you think?

[girisawesomer]

So. How should we manage roleclaims?

One possible (if inconvenient) solution would be to post an appointed time where everyone posts, all at once. We have the partners working for us in that aspect, since two people can cover more time, and timezones are suddenly helpful. Still, it'd be inconvenient.

What do you think?

I don't think that would ever work out. Even if the claims were a few minutes apart that's still enough time to base your claim off of someone else's.

[dota2reporter]

We could debate for hours about whether or not Deleter is Mafia, talk about whether Mafia would really do this, and end up in WIFOM hell and not accomplishing anything today.

Or, we could be productive, push people to post so we can find possible lynch targets (and also point Investigatives at targets) and actually discuss stuff. As far as I'm concerned, debating will accomplish nothing at the moment.

i mean... all powers can easily prove themselves - jailor, mayor, lawyer... which mafia member would even claim power role?

[Swordsworth]

A desperate one

[leyva45]

About the roleclaims, we should only claim if we have to. Maybe we could do something similar to Guzames game.

[dota2reporter]

A desperate one

day 1?

[Metrion]

I requested a Lookout visit me as Lookout and protection as scum that one time. Probably more but that's not my point if you read my posts giris.

Interesting thing to bring up, do you think it would be worth it to give exact orders to the likes of Sheriff's and Investigators? It'd depend on us having a Marshal so probably not the best plan, something to keep in kind though.

If we want to do a public roleclaim, all we have to do is post a coded message containing our roles then afterwards post our keys and decode them. Thus scum can't slip through the cracks mid-claiming. Other than that we can always go scummiest player claims first and so on. This probably wont happen for a while though.



Power role =/= Town Power, Dota. Power Role is anything but Citizen usually.

[melanora]

Oh, it's girisawesomer! If he's Mafia, I have nothing to fear from him, since he doesn't like killing new people!

OH, WAIT! OH NO!

To be fair, I probably wouldn't have spared mel if she wasn't leading the town to victory. I wanted town to win, CowGod helped me get lynched, while matt tried to stop it!

Seriously, how do you expect us to roleclaim with whispers though?

The next time I decide that you and Cow are JesterTwins, someone take me seriously about that. Then again, CowGod died for our sins, so...

[dota2reporter]

I requested a Lookout visit me as Lookout and protection as scum that one time. Probably more but that's not my point if you read my posts giris.

Interesting thing to bring up, do you think it would be worth it to give exact orders to the likes of Sheriff's and Investigators? It'd depend on us having a Marshal so probably not the best plan, something to keep in kind though.

If we want to do a public roleclaim, all we have to do is post a coded message containing our roles then afterwards post our keys and decode them. Thus scum can't slip through the cracks mid-claiming. Other than that we can always go scummiest player claims first and so on. This probably wont happen for a while though.



Power role =/= Town Power, Dota. Power Role is anything but Citizen usually.

no we dont want to give exact orders to invests and sheriffs because framers.

poor citizens =( i will know that

[girisawesomer]

We could debate for hours about whether or not Deleter is Mafia, talk about whether Mafia would really do this, and end up in WIFOM hell and not accomplishing anything today.

Or, we could be productive, push people to post so we can find possible lynch targets (and also point Investigatives at targets) and actually discuss stuff. As far as I'm concerned, debating will accomplish nothing at the moment.

i mean... all powers can easily prove themselves - jailor, mayor, lawyer... which mafia member would even claim power role?

A "Jailor" wouldn't be hard to fake long enough to get claims. Claim to jail a fellow mafia member, mafia member claims to be jailed. Town claims to "Jailor" because "y would mafia do that it reveals 2 members!1!1!!1" because someone says that every time, and bam, mafia has claims. However, there are no whispers this game. No point in a mafia member trying to get claims this way. But, as revealed in my earlier quote, Deleter forgot we couldn't whisper, meaning he just might try to get claims this way!

Thanks for reading my paranoid post.

Oh, damn it. He said Power role not Town Power

[Alzar]

Alternatively, we COULD claim Day 1. Right now, right here. It has a few small advantages, like Janitors and scum not being able to plan with the Graveyard.

Yeah, no. More risks than benefits, right?

[Metrion]

@Dota2reporter

Read this:

Spoiler: Marshal

(This role is still in the experimental stages ~ It will not yet appear in Episodes for the time being.)

You are a Marshal

Your alignment is Town Protective.

Once a figurehead of the law, you experienced a horrific accident and have vowed not to kill anymore. Instead you decide to use your presence as a deterrent to these thugs that have rooted themselves in your hometown.

Each night you may choose to follow a player. Your presence scares one malicious person from targeting them.
You will be informed if you protected your target from any role with the exception of Mafia Deception, and whoever you scare away will be notified regardless of their role.
Should your target be visited by multiple people with malicious intent, only one will flee. (Mafia Deception > Witch/Escort/Consort > Killing Roles)
Unless you are successful, guarding a player twice in a row will allow killing roles to slip through.
Stalker's ignore your presence as they fear nothing.

You win with the Town
You win with Survivors
You must kill the Mafia
You must kill Arsonists
You must kill Witches
You must kill Serial Killers
You must kill Stalkers
You must kill Bombers
You may spare anyone else



We could claim D1 Mafia would have no chance to co-ordinate unless they have an Agent. It vould actually be pretry fruitful if we got everyone on board. However it leaves the power roles out in the open and it becomes a game of lynching the correct cits.

[Swordsworth]

But there's no confirmed Marshal. Agent, Consig, and Consort are substantially more likely than Disguiser and Framer, so I'd recommend watching out for the number of roleblocks.

[Alzar]

I think it's best to weigh the situation how it is. I don't think it's worth it, but it does force immediate leads and Mafia can't coordinate during the day. Investigative roles have a chance to get an early start, but it reveals the Protectives.

[girisawesomer]

I think it's best to weigh the situation how it is. I don't think it's worth it, but it does force immediate leads and Mafia can't coordinate during the day. Investigative roles have a chance to get an early start, but it reveals the Protectives.

Yeah, I think Protective claims would be completely murdered in the first 2 nights, meaning it's easy killing for scum the rest of the game.

[Swordsworth]

Alzar, presence of an Agent would allow them to coordinate.

Claiming today is viable, and I agree with the method(use a code, explain code afterward), but it just exposes too much, in my opinion.

[Alzar]

An Agent would definitely complicate things, true.

If we can't decide on this topic, our next order of business should be current reads, yes? Not many people have posted, but it'd be good to get started on what we have so far.

[Deleter]

I didn't forget. My original idea was to create a randomized list of players and force them to claim in that order.

I really don't know what Giri is thinking. Scum can fake Jailor, yes. But only suicidal scum would fake Jailor on day one.

I actually don't anticipate a mass role call until late game. At the moment I'm looking to force claims out of the scummiest players, because town needs information or we will bleed out quick.

All town power are power roles, but not vice versa. I'm claiming power role.

Metrion: Gonna say it to you straight. A non-town claiming a hard carry role early and asking for public role claims is fucking suicide. If you've envisioned a scenario where my actions push a scum agenda, tell me about it, because I can't.

I'm unsure about claiming today due to the presence of two random towns and a possible jester/exe screwing us up. All it takes is a few mislynches and a SK and town will really be fucked.

That said, I'm going to post my role and relevant information in code. If needed, I will use that code to confirm myself.

[dota2reporter]

An Agent would definitely complicate things, true.

If we can't decide on this topic, our next order of business should be current reads, yes? Not many people have posted, but it'd be good to get started on what we have so far.

it's too early for things, some people did not even post

[Alzar]

So, we're posting in code now, or is that just something a few people want?

dota2reporter: A lot of the current posts have solid stuff. I think it'd be good to get a good template started in the beginning, since Day 1 is valuable.

Also, note for everyone wanting to post Day 1 memes when they get on: Don't. Leave it in a spoiler behind some actual content, since I don't want the early days of the thread to be cluttered. More posts = More shit to sort through for lynches.

[girisawesomer]

Alzar, presence of an Agent would allow them to coordinate.

Claiming today is viable, and I agree with the method(use a code, explain code afterward), but it just exposes too much, in my opinion.

Agent can only send, the rest can't right?
So if they have an Agent they have to plan every claim by themselves.

If we use codes there is no way scum can base their claims off of others, so it could definitely work.

[Flamingkamikaze]

Goddamnit, the game started 20 minutes after I went to sleep.

[girisawesomer]

Alzar, presence of an Agent would allow them to coordinate.

Claiming today is viable, and I agree with the method(use a code, explain code afterward), but it just exposes too much, in my opinion.

Agent can only send, the rest can't right?
So if they have an Agent they have to plan every claim by themselves.

If we use codes there is no way scum can base their claims off of others, so it could definitely work.

Hmm, actually someone can easily say 4+8/6%*4 means X when it actually meant Y. There is just no way to be certain.