FM 6E - Mafia and Executioner Win! - "Fool Me Thrice"

[chitownmvp01]

They Mayor should not reveal on Day 1. End of story.

That's not even arguing. That's saying "Well, I can't come up with a reasonable argument so NO DISCUSSION AT ALL!". If you have something to disprove this, say it now. We seen to be doing this an alarming amount of times, chit...

I also changed my picture to fit the theme, kinda. Yaaaaaay.

We have already tried to tell you why they should not reveal. It's because of the confirmed Stalker that can stalk during the day in this game and an Agent is possible. They should not be revealing until at least 24 hours have passed during Day 2 at the absolute earliest. The Mayor (if we have one) should be more cautious about revealing in this game because of the Stalker.

Are you convinced yet, Cyantic?

[Cyantic]

They Mayor should not reveal on Day 1. End of story.

That's not even arguing. That's saying "Well, I can't come up with a reasonable argument so NO DISCUSSION AT ALL!". If you have something to disprove this, say it now. We seen to be doing this an alarming amount of times, chit...

I also changed my picture to fit the theme, kinda. Yaaaaaay.

We have already tried to tell you why they should not reveal. It's because of the confirmed Stalker that can stalk during the day in this game and an Agent is possible. They should not be revealing until at least 24 hours have passed during Day 2 at the absolute earliest. The Mayor (if we have one) should be more cautious about revealing in this game because of the Stalker.

Are you convinced yet, Cyantic?

Nope, not at all.

Stalker, worst case scenario, kills the mayor N2. In this time, the Mayor could very well lead the town through N1 and organize them on N2, getting claims, and passing them onto someone else. There is no practical reason not to do this as the mayor is with us through one of the make or break periods of the game, and we get an extra typically unorganized day to boot. Mayor passes off the claims to some other town role, and we keep it cycling.

Once again, an organized majority will absolutely crush an unorganized minority. And the agent would actually be useful for once, and once again, the odds of roling an agent are low enough that it's a worthwhile gamble. Do you remember Game V? Admittedly, no chance of an agent, but getting that organization absolutely crushed the mafia since we didn't lose anyone on D2.

We could do it again if we have a Mayor.

[Loominaty]

You seem to be so sure that there is no agent, hmmm?
mafia support and 2x random mafia:
I'd expect something like 0,6 Agents not really low

[Cyantic]

You seem to be so sure that there is no agent, hmmm?
mafia support and 2x random mafia:
I'd expect something like 0,6 Agents not really low ;) ;)

I'm not sure by any means. However, I think it's more then worthwhile to the point of "You're insane" for that offer. Let me say a parable.

A store offers a free combat videogame. You want that, but you're afraid someone else will get it and use it against you, even if there is unlimited copies. You are better, but the other person may get it.
"Oh, no! I can't have multiple people getting it, I'm just going to stay home."
OR
"Free stuff! Who cares if they get it, I'll still crush them.

[8thPrince]

Hola nihao annyong

Hello all!

Mayor, if you are there for the love of god please do not reveal today.

I can't think of a reason not to reveal. Get claims out ASAP, plan N1 actions, and the works. Probably the safest time to reveal.

I thought this was a strange first post. We really can't protect a mayor. Even with a transporter, the Stalker would still hit the Mayor AND an additional target. Your insistence on a reveal is very strange.

[Cyantic]

Hola nihao annyong

Hello all!

Mayor, if you are there for the love of god please do not reveal today.

I can't think of a reason not to reveal. Get claims out ASAP, plan N1 actions, and the works. Probably the safest time to reveal.

I thought this was a strange first post. We really can't protect a mayor. Even with a transporter, the Stalker would still hit the Mayor AND an additional target. Your insistence on a reveal is very strange.

Stalker, worst case scenario, kills the mayor N2. In this time, the Mayor could very well lead the town through N1 and organize them on N2, getting claims, and passing them onto someone else. There is no practical reason not to do this as the mayor is with us through one of the make or break periods of the game, and we get an extra typically unorganized day to boot. Mayor passes off the claims to some other town role, and we keep it cycling. <- My reply to chit.

[milte345]

You seem to be so sure that there is no agent, hmmm?
mafia support and 2x random mafia:
I'd expect something like 0,6 Agents not really low

I'm not sure by any means. However, I think it's more then worthwhile to the point of "You're insane" for that offer. Let me say a parable.

A store offers a free combat videogame. You want that, but you're afraid someone else will get it and use it against you, even if there is unlimited copies. You are better, but the other person may get it.
"Oh, no! I can't have multiple people getting it, I'm just going to stay home."
OR
"Free stuff! Who cares if they get it, I'll still crush them.

Cy that... isn't a parallel

This would be a parallel
Invest now, and acquire less money when it drops and goes back up
Or
Invest later and gain more money when it goes up
Since
-Don't have as much time today
-Can't know if there is an agent likely yet
-Quicker death from stalker
-Don't know the protectives
-Vig and Jailor cannot kill

[Invenio]

Hi everybody!

Hi.

Remember.

no softclaims

But.....

*sigh*
fine.

[Swampy157]

I think you mean that he dies Day Four Cyantic.
Spoiler: Night one: Stalk begins!
Day two: Phase one
Night two: Phase two (Stalk begins on someone else!)
Day three: Phase three
Night three: Phase four: Mayor dies of paranoia...

[Nellyfox]

I think you mean that he dies Day Four Cyantic.
Spoiler: Night one: Stalk begins!
Day two: Phase one
Night two: Phase two (Stalk begins on someone else!)
Day three: Phase three
Night three: Phase four: Mayor dies of paranoia...

D1
N1
D2
N2

Four phases.

[Cyantic]

You seem to be so sure that there is no agent, hmmm?
mafia support and 2x random mafia:
I'd expect something like 0,6 Agents not really low ;) ;)

I'm not sure by any means. However, I think it's more then worthwhile to the point of "You're insane" for that offer. Let me say a parable.

A store offers a free combat videogame. You want that, but you're afraid someone else will get it and use it against you, even if there is unlimited copies. You are better, but the other person may get it.
"Oh, no! I can't have multiple people getting it, I'm just going to stay home."
OR
"Free stuff! Who cares if they get it, I'll still crush them.

Cy that... isn't a parallel

This would be a parallel
Invest now, and acquire less money when it drops and goes back up
Or
Invest later and gain more money when it goes up
Since
-Don't have as much time today
-Can't know if there is an agent likely yet
-Quicker death from stalker
-Don't know the protectives
-Vig and Jailor cannot kill

Not really.

-Don't really need a whole lot of time. As long as someone mayors up relatively soon, we can get all 20 claims and the mayor can work out night actions. Who cares if there's an agent or not? Informed majority > Informed minority. Really simple.
-Still gets us through the toughest stage in the game AND uses an extra chaotic day to boot for maxinum efficiency.
-Doesn't matter. If mafia is insane enough to attack the mayor, let them attack the mayor.
-Not relevant.

[Invenio]

>inB4 Cyantic is the stalker.

[Loominaty]

Not really.

-Don't really need a whole lot of time. As long as someone mayors up relatively soon, we can get all 20 claims and the mayor can work out night actions. Who cares if there's an agent or not? Informed majority > Informed minority. Really simple.
-Still gets us through the toughest stage in the game AND uses an extra chaotic day to boot for maxinum efficiency.
-Doesn't matter. If mafia is insane enough to attack the mayor, let them attack the mayor.
-Not relevant.

With the slight difference, that the "informed majority" has to sort out the fakeclaims, while the mafia can just kill off the unprotected powerroles.

And that was my last post on that topic, any sane mayor can decide for themselves what to do.

[milte345]

1. Timezones, Cy, timezones
2. Except we don't know the minority and they ca kill us, and technically only the mayor truly knows
3. Night one is definately not when we know who should be investigated, we should wait still
4. ( ._.)
5. Yes relevant, if someone is incredibly scummy or just confirmed evil, they need to be shot or executed, and you can't do that night one.

[chitownmvp01]

I'm getting a scum or Jester read on Cyantic right now. He seems to believe that there is no Agent or if there is, he is fine with them hearing all the role claims.

[TheCow]

A day one reveal can work, if its done right off the bat. Bit late at this point.

[Invenio]

I'm getting a scum or Jester read on Cyantic right now. He seems to believe that there is no Agent or if there is, he is fine with them hearing all the role claims.

This one is smart.

[milte345]

I'm getting a scum or Jester read on Cyantic right now. He seems to believe that there is no Agent or if there is, he is fine with them hearing all the role claims.

This one is smart.

If Cy is anything but jester(or exec thinking their target will die soon)
I will be very disappointed...

[chitownmvp01]

A day one reveal can work, if its done right off the bat. Bit late at this point.

CaleHusky did it in CFM 2. I cringed so hard when I saw that happen.

[Invenio]

GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER CHART!

Before knowing anyone's role:
Who do you want protected?
Who would you rather be killed?

You may not pick yourself.

[Cyantic]

>inB4 Cyantic is the stalker.

If I'm stalker, someone shoot me now for playing this horribly. If I'm scum, the later I have to force out the claim, the better. Too many things can go wrong from D1 onwards and while I'm as unorthodox, I don't mess with that pile of crazy.

Not really.

-Don't really need a whole lot of time. As long as someone mayors up relatively soon, we can get all 20 claims and the mayor can work out night actions. Who cares if there's an agent or not? Informed majority > Informed minority. Really simple.
-Still gets us through the toughest stage in the game AND uses an extra chaotic day to boot for maxinum efficiency.
-Doesn't matter. If mafia is insane enough to attack the mayor, let them attack the mayor.
-Not relevant.

With the slight difference, that the "informed majority" has to sort out the fakeclaims, while the mafia can just kill off the unprotected powerroles.

And that was my last post on that topic, any sane mayor can decide for themselves what to do.

There's something called 'use x on the player x spaces below you'.

1. Timezones, Cy, timezones
2. Except we don't know the minority and they ca kill us, and technically only the mayor truly knows
3. Night one is definately not when we know who should be investigated, we should wait still
4. ( ._.)
5. Yes relevant, if someone is incredibly scummy or just confirmed evil, they need to be shot or executed, and you can't do that night one.

1. 24 hours, everyone should be online at least once to send in a claim in that time period. If you don't, there's something severely wrong.
2. There's something called 'use x on the player x spaces below you'. Of course we don't know the minority, but it takes one bad slip before things start going badly.
3. If we had claims, we could set our investigatives on looking on the citizens, our protectives protecting them and any other important roles, our escorts RBing citizens, transporter changing important town roles with less important ones, etc etc etc. We would have a great advantage if we were organized on D1 versus D2 or even later because "WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR MAYOR SAFE!"
5. You shouldn't have reads on D1 this strong so, still irrelevant.

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I'm actually getting a serious scum read from Milte and Chit especially but hey, what do I know? I'm clearly crazy. I'll be severely disappointed if you guys are town.

[chitownmvp01]

Something is really off with Cyantic. A more experience player would never suggest a Day 1 Mayor reveal under these circumstances. He is currently screaming Phantom or Jester in my opinion.

[Swordsworth]

Mayor reveal now is sort of pointless. I risked the reveal day 1 in cfm4 because I was fairly confident that, with the provided rolelist, rng would not grant the scenario I was inmately hoping wouldn't come about(Puppeteer, Lunatic, etc). In this game the rolelist has already confirmed a role that can kill through protectives, and can also hide efficiently with cunning. Revealing now isn't too great an idea.

[Cyantic]

Something is really off with Cyantic. A more experience player would never suggest a Day 1 Mayor reveal under these circumstances. He is currently screaming Phantom or Jester in my opinion.

I'm on something like 35 games, chit. Are you calling me inexperienced or am I not acting experienced?
Phantom - See Argh me Harties. I like working with the town, especially with just how long I've been running scum in these games.
Jester - This is such a wrong way to do the Jester, it's on par with dat's play if I'm a jester.

If I was actually a scum role, I'm playing this much more like a SK then any other scum role imo.

[Invenio]

GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER CHART!

Before knowing anyone's role:
Who do you want protected?
Who would you rather be killed?

You may not pick yourself.

Good idea, Invenio!

Protect: Chit
Killed: Cyantic