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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:59 am

Why can I think of Var/Elusive/Debil being equally scummy? Like, I want to rip my luscious hair out. Do ya'll think Elu buses Dolphina D2 after losing Ezra? Or is it a "can't fight this wagon" bus?
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby cob709 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:25 am

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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:32 am

Fenraiser wrote:Why can I think of Var/Elusive/Debil being equally scummy? Like, I want to rip my luscious hair out. Do ya'll think Elu buses Dolphina D2 after losing Ezra? Or is it a "can't fight this wagon" bus?

I mean, I was already sus of Dolph on D1 and I wasn't even that active D1.
I wasn't just joining the sus wagon on D2 with everyone else

However I don't mind being lynched, that Widow skin in OW is hella slick my dude and I kinda want to just focus on grinding OW while the event is live.
Ya'll can figure out who is the real scum when I'm out
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby cob709 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:35 am

ElusiveBelle wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:cob commuting is the most likely explanation

The only thing I'm dubious about is attacking Cob over someone like you for instance after a TP would have died with lemon. For all we know lemon died in place of someone iirc which I kinda doubt was Cob.

However is just too much thinking for me so really I'll leave it to y'all, I will still say Fen next after me over Debil but I'm willing to be first in the PoE even as town so I can focus on the LNY event in overwatch ngl

Recall our conversation during Day 4.
In this post, ElusiveBelle wrote:
cob709 wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
cob709 wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:SP, I need to think on some things before claiming fully but I likely will before the EoD since I will need compliance from Cob

What services are you requesting of me?

Stay home and do no action tonight, simple request really

Simple as it may be, it will be a waste of my resources.

Oof, even for protection for us both? I can only do it once so if need be I'll hold onto it until you're good my dude

Assuming that the Mafia attacked me on Night 4,
After making it clear that I would not be accepting protection from you, the Mafia saw it as an opportunity to attack me.
In fact, I believe this evidence incriminates you, Elusive. During Day 4, you asked me to perform no actions, which either effectively roleblocks me, or provides you with the opportunity to attack me without being suspected for not protecting me.

/vote Elusive
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:40 am

cob709 wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:cob commuting is the most likely explanation

The only thing I'm dubious about is attacking Cob over someone like you for instance after a TP would have died with lemon. For all we know lemon died in place of someone iirc which I kinda doubt was Cob.

However is just too much thinking for me so really I'll leave it to y'all, I will still say Fen next after me over Debil but I'm willing to be first in the PoE even as town so I can focus on the LNY event in overwatch ngl

Recall our conversation during Day 4.
In this post, ElusiveBelle wrote:
cob709 wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
cob709 wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:SP, I need to think on some things before claiming fully but I likely will before the EoD since I will need compliance from Cob

What services are you requesting of me?

Stay home and do no action tonight, simple request really

Simple as it may be, it will be a waste of my resources.

Oof, even for protection for us both? I can only do it once so if need be I'll hold onto it until you're good my dude

Assuming that the Mafia attacked me on Night 4,
After making it clear that I would not be accepting protection from you, the Mafia saw it as an opportunity to attack me.
In fact, I believe this evidence incriminates you, Elusive. During Day 4, you asked me to perform no actions, which either effectively roleblocks me, or provides you with the opportunity to attack me without being suspected for not protecting me.

/vote Elusive

Well I mean I wouldn't attack you regardless over Chemist but really I don't care. I get what I want, and I'll stick with Fen as my next choice to lynch.
Let's go my dudes.

I'll hammer myself to get this done so I can get back to my games. Just need a VC
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 1 | CARRIER

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:43 am

The reactions to Tangram:
Var is watching people vote Tangram but ultimately doesn't say shit about Tangram until D3 when Tangram is revealed. It is detailed in the spoiler. Idk for slanking so much, they're pretty cautious though I think is how she plays most of the time.
Spoiler:
kosmo16 wrote:I'm curious.
/vote The Machine World, Tangram


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kosmo16 wrote:I'm curious.
/vote The Machine World, Tangram

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D3 after Tangram reveals:
Varanus wrote:give me one good reason to believe voting for the not player will actually help

This series of posts from Debil and Ezra could be an inside SvS joke tbh knowing that Tangram couldn't be lynched until Tangram was revealed (thinking Tangram appearing is triggered by 2 mafia members dying). Give that Ezra unvoted, there is a possibility the mafia team isn't informed of all of Tangram's abilities.
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Ezradekezra wrote:
Swordsworth wrote:??? |?| kosmo16, Fenraiser, TheDebil, lemonader666, watchme1, mamaniejebanana

wait what


TheDebil wrote:vote it [redacted]


TheDebil wrote:to avoid having to be awkward and explain the joke you can vote the machine world tangram and have a mafia buddy hammer real fast

haha

Ezradekezra wrote:
TheDebil wrote:vote it [redacted]

Why?

So someone can lolhammer?


TheDebil wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:
TheDebil wrote:vote it pussy

Why?

So someone can lolhammer?

yes


Ezradekezra wrote:Still not sold on voting for Tangram

Give me a better reason


Zorua joins in on the "joke":
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:Still not sold on voting for Tangram

Give me a better reason

we vote for tangram so we can throw today's execution and give wolves a free kill pog
this changes if theres someone familiar with flavor and/or we get mech info about it
I think there's a chance that Tangram is 1. self-aligned and 2. punt-immune


Ezradekezra wrote:Wait actually I have an idea

/vote Tangram

OWO
Ezradekezra wrote:/vote Cob

After Ezra puts Tangram at L-1, Ezra quickly removes their vote. Then Elusive comes in to react seemingly thinking scum are trying to nolynch which I thought was wolfy after Tangram's RC was revealed. I could see that as town, but eehhhh. Lemon thought there might be one scum in the Tangram wagon so idk.
Spoiler:
ElusiveBelle wrote:Just got back from gambling with my grandma.
Was an interesting day, gonna rest a bit from busy weekend and catch up just a bit.

What the hell is this VC and ???s


Ezradekezra wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:Just got back from gambling with my grandma.
Was an interesting day, gonna rest a bit from busy weekend and catch up just a bit.

What the hell is this VC and ???s

The ??? that six people are voting for is the 16th slot (Tangram)

I'm not sure why the vote numbers are ?s though.


ElusiveBelle wrote:I don't think voting the 16th slot will do anything tbh
Likely end up in a nolynch.

How many are actually wanting to try it as the lynch?


ElusiveBelle wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:I don't think voting the 16th slot will do anything tbh
Likely end up in a nolynch.

How many are actually wanting to try it as the lynch?

i'll pass

Likely for the best really, who started the vote? I'd imagine there is scum on the wagon going for a no lynch realistically


Phone0lx seemed that they didn't really think Tangram was important at all since they only gave an opinion on Tangram D1 after Lemon prompted them to. They focused on other things which seemed pretty proactive. Thought they were also averse to voting Tangram D1 as well.
Spoiler:
Phone0Ix wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Also hm.. I kinda think Elusive is town here tbh. And I also feel like Kosmo is def town. So let's not vote either of those 2, town.

What about tangram?

Voting tangram? Bad


Phone0Ix wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:I'm confused where are these TMI arguments coming from
first kosmo and now zorua
Phone0Ix wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Also hm.. I kinda think Elusive is town here tbh. And I also feel like Kosmo is def town. So let's not vote either of those 2, town.

What about tangram?

Voting tangram? Bad

Why?

It likely does nothing, and maybe the tangram being ingame isn't so bad either

And lynching it surely doesn't give info either, while lynching an actual person does
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:50 am

you didnt redact it in every message

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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:51 am

im personally thinking the culprit is varanus but if elusive wants to selfhammer i will help him out
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Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:57 am

/vote varanus
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:03 pm

Why Var debil could you walk me through?
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:10 pm

@Elu
If I was mafia why would I on D3 tie Dolphina with Banana (3 votes each) at one point and end my vote on Dolphina? As scum, I could have like just hopped onto Banana for momentum to divert pressure from Dolphina given Cob's decently strong case against Banana (especially after Ezra got yeeted).
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:14 pm

In the unfortunate event that we are both town Elu, who is the remaining wolf?
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:17 pm

Fenraiser wrote:@Elu
If I was mafia why would I on D3 tie Dolphina with Banana (3 votes each) at one point and end my vote on Dolphina? As scum, I could have like just hopped onto Banana for momentum to divert pressure from Dolphina given Cob's decently strong case against Banana (especially after Ezra got yeeted).

I'm going to assume you mean D2 since that is when Dolph was lynched.
But really dolph was already in hot water on D2, so bussing isn't exactly a hard thing to do. And voting against Dolph being lynched would get you tied to them if they died and flipped scum.
We didn't know if Chem had another shot or not so it is likely they would have died anyways regardless of who was wagoned.
Then on top of that it is possible you knew you'd get Tangram the next day. We don't know what the condition for it was but it is possible you knew it was coming and didn't mind busing one partner knowing that number would be returned with Tangram once it was triggered by whatever triggers it.

P-edit
If it isn't you, and I already know it isn't me, then it would be Debil or Var would be my guess.
In that order
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:26 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:@Elu
If I was mafia why would I on D3 tie Dolphina with Banana (3 votes each) at one point and end my vote on Dolphina? As scum, I could have like just hopped onto Banana for momentum to divert pressure from Dolphina given Cob's decently strong case against Banana (especially after Ezra got yeeted).

I'm going to assume you mean D2 since that is when Dolph was lynched.
But really dolph was already in hot water on D2, so bussing isn't exactly a hard thing to do. And voting against Dolph being lynched would get you tied to them if they died and flipped scum.
We didn't know if Chem had another shot or not so it is likely they would have died anyways regardless of who was wagoned.
Then on top of that it is possible you knew you'd get Tangram the next day. We don't know what the condition for it was but it is possible you knew it was coming and didn't mind busing one partner knowing that number would be returned with Tangram once it was triggered by whatever triggers it.

P-edit
If it isn't you, and I already know it isn't me, then it would be Debil or Var would be my guess.
In that order

I can see the thought process.

What were the previous reasons for my scumread though? Was it from me sussing you for your take on the Tangram wagon or is there another layer to the read I missed?
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:29 pm

Fenraiser wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:@Elu
If I was mafia why would I on D3 tie Dolphina with Banana (3 votes each) at one point and end my vote on Dolphina? As scum, I could have like just hopped onto Banana for momentum to divert pressure from Dolphina given Cob's decently strong case against Banana (especially after Ezra got yeeted).

I'm going to assume you mean D2 since that is when Dolph was lynched.
But really dolph was already in hot water on D2, so bussing isn't exactly a hard thing to do. And voting against Dolph being lynched would get you tied to them if they died and flipped scum.
We didn't know if Chem had another shot or not so it is likely they would have died anyways regardless of who was wagoned.
Then on top of that it is possible you knew you'd get Tangram the next day. We don't know what the condition for it was but it is possible you knew it was coming and didn't mind busing one partner knowing that number would be returned with Tangram once it was triggered by whatever triggers it.

P-edit
If it isn't you, and I already know it isn't me, then it would be Debil or Var would be my guess.
In that order

I can see the thought process.

What were the previous reasons for my scumread though? Was it from me sussing you for your take on the Tangram wagon or is there another layer to the read I missed?

I mean, the bulk of it is just your claim. It just seems odd as a third TI that is incredibly weak combined with the random RB claim as well as no useful information until you claimed Cob which I believe ended up being false as the narrative changed to you being dueled and redirected iirc. So really everything form your claim onwards has been sus
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Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:23 pm

Fenraiser wrote:Why Var debil could you walk me through?

process of elimination and var being secretive for no reason
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:50 pm

My claim is very true uwu, I'm a nonconsecutive tracker that can't be protected if I'm not acting. My results have not been great but they are decent. I might have fpsed with cob but that's still okay. I just find it really difficult to fake being redirected from Cob to Watchme since I was dueled N4/N5 with no counterclaims and there isn't an incentive for watchme to not duel esp. after claiming to be a special kill-blocker.
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Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:19 pm

pretty sure you are both town

my first suspect is varanus second is cob
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Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:19 pm

cob is 95% hiding something
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby Fenraiser » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:23 pm

Dolphina and Ezra actively tried to yeet cob though.
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Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:24 pm

TheDebil wrote:pretty sure you are both town

my first suspect is varanus second is cob

My only thing about Var is why use their ability on Tangram if they're scum, tangram would have been voted anyways and easily could have just used it to push a ml on basically anyone the next day
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Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:28 pm

ElusiveBelle wrote:
TheDebil wrote:pretty sure you are both town

my first suspect is varanus second is cob

My only thing about Var is why use their ability on Tangram if they're scum, tangram would have been voted anyways and easily could have just used it to push a ml on basically anyone the next day

did he? how do we know
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Postby TheDebil » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:29 pm

what's his ability to begin with? as far as i can tell hes a fruit vendor who can send hurricanes
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Re: SFM81 | ORATORIO TANGRAM | Day 6 | VSYS

Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:00 pm

Varanus wrote:That was absolutely the best way I could use my action

Well varanus claimed it
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Postby cob709 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:07 pm

good afternoon my fellow townies
how is everyone's day?
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