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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby kosmo16 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:02 am

UzayAltay wrote:Gg

Lul my traitor guess was exactly on point.

I guess kosmo tried the golden shot at Day3 to carry. Well... it was risky as we lose the moment it is a wrong read but it is understandable as game was going bad.
Fenraiser wrote:My initial plan was to bait people into killing Phone but giving Phone the gun ahhhhhhh so Phone wouldnt be rbed fuck.

I wish I got the gun last night.Not other nights but at night 3 I would shot Cheeze as I were thinking they were the towniest scum (and traitor) who wouldnt be protected. (Well at night 1 I would probably shot Debil, At night 2 I had no idea on who to shot.)

Probably if I were going to be that bold on my townreads, I should have do the same on scumreads and hardwagon people I Scumread.

Phone, let's forget what happened in the game, if It's play for you as well.


I needed 1 town to believe me. Especially that you can see that I was on point. I guessed what happened n1. And get 3/4 scums right.
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby Fenraiser » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:05 am

I am going to read scumchat to learn how ya'll play.
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:52 am

kosmo16 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Gg

Lul my traitor guess was exactly on point.

I guess kosmo tried the golden shot at Day3 to carry. Well... it was risky as we lose the moment it is a wrong read but it is understandable as game was going bad.
Fenraiser wrote:My initial plan was to bait people into killing Phone but giving Phone the gun ahhhhhhh so Phone wouldnt be rbed fuck.

I wish I got the gun last night.Not other nights but at night 3 I would shot Cheeze as I were thinking they were the towniest scum (and traitor) who wouldnt be protected. (Well at night 1 I would probably shot Debil, At night 2 I had no idea on who to shot.)

Probably if I were going to be that bold on my townreads, I should have do the same on scumreads and hardwagon people I Scumread.

Phone, let's forget what happened in the game, if It's play for you as well.


I needed 1 town to believe me. Especially that you can see that I was on point. I guessed what happened n1. And get 3/4 scums right.

You need entire town to believe you. This is practically impossible unless you got fully right. That is the risk. You were very close. I was unsure whether I would fully believe you if you got it fully right but I might have said "okay so I wont agree with you fully but let's lynch Debil today". It is possible it also fails and you cannot make entire town believe you after nailing it 100% but it is still a fight between you and mafia after it. At least you tried, but like it was risky and risk paid off.
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby Fenraiser » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:22 am

Honestly, with Kosmo's case it's probably just stress and stuff and in general just in-game apathy that was shared by most of the townsfolk.
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Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:26 am

lemonader666 wrote:Winners:
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  • CheezePie - Traitor

1. yeah
2. f!@#
3. yeah
4. fair enough
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:29 am

If my activity didn't get tanked mid-D1 I probably could have carried us to F5
but not past that

gg Rick, I still think that if you weren't there, the town would have just fallen apart :P
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:34 am

I don't consider this a bad from me individually, but I do need to work on thread-control
we probably would have made it farther if I was able to navigate shots off of Poly on D1

Rick would have been an extremely hard F5/F3 though and we probably lose with a Phone ML there
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:51 am

Serious props to
Poly, Ezra, Dolphina - for being players that can sometimes be really LHF, but put forth the effort and were really towny this game. Good job.
Obi, Fen - even though you low-posted, you still were able to help the town in a meaningful way and obvtown yourself.
Uzay, Hereis - I don't know how many time I've played v/v with you, but this time just worked. Paradisio gang gang.

Jeeper - you were super under-the-radar, but it worked, and you managed to dodge almost all pressure throughout the game. Jeeper lockscum from D1 selfvote though
Debil - You probably have a lot of practice with this, but you were extremely cool under the face of constant pressure from D2 onward. This won you the Kosmo ML, which was probably the most essential to the wolf win. I suck at keeping cool as wolf.
Rick - I don't even know what to say here. Excellent game in almost all respects. I can look back and see traces of agenda, but it's not even obvious in hindsight. Regardless of any of my gripes about voting out Poly or unlucky PR rands, you and your team deserved to win this game.
Cheeze - Good job at making yourself relatively not packwolfy through tone, instead of reads. As a traitor, staying alive is key and you did that well. Also the N1 heal was super on point and won the Yosh ML.

All in all, good play from both sides
Would play with you guys again
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:05 am

One thing I learned from this game is dammit Rick that if someone is skating by without any pressure for multiple in-game days, that's probably because wolves are letting them
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby CheezePie » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:05 am

this is probably the first scum game i tried in
hydra game, almost completely frozen
pirate game, doing pretty much nothing until later, i dont even rmb

would be cool if there's any advice on what to do/improve
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:09 am

CheezePie wrote:this is probably the first scum game i tried in
hydra game, almost completely frozen
pirate game, doing pretty much nothing until later, i dont even rmb

would be cool if there's any advice on what to do/improve

I would but I honestly don't know how to play an a non-pack wolf other than my 12XX "troll the thread and be generally toxic"
which
is not a strategy I would do again or advocate other people to do

your tone was good which is a thing that people caught me on in my first wolf game (where I incidentally rolled non-pack wolf and kamikaze'd the doctor D1)
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby TheDebil » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:23 am

talk more

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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby TheDebil » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:24 am

my entire strategy was ''spam the thread and dont die lol''
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:28 am

TheDebil wrote:my entire strategy was ''spam the thread and dont die lol''

fair enough
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby CheezePie » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:31 am

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:I would but I honestly don't know how to play an a non-pack wolf other than my 12XX "troll the thread and be generally toxic"
which
is not a strategy I would do again or advocate other people to do

your tone was good which is a thing that people caught me on in my first wolf game (where I incidentally rolled non-pack wolf and kamikaze'd the doctor D1)

since i didnt know the team and i continue to suck at scumreading, main goal was to stay alive and not fuck shit up
i probably didnt work much on my reads tbh because i got lazy
but
well
im alive

TheDebil wrote:talk more

thats it

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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby kosmo16 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:38 am

Fenraiser wrote:Honestly, with Kosmo's case it's probably just stress and stuff and in general just in-game apathy that was shared by most of the townsfolk.


Neh, I had impression that whole town just hated me as a person (exepct for Debil, Jeeper) and because of that no one would ever trust in my read (which was clearing Zorua, Obiwan). Especially Uzay wanted at all cost prove I can't be right. Yeah, sharing mechanical knowledge was a mistake. I should probably keep it for myself. Locktown Zorua + Obi and focus on the least vocal player who could be easily lynched: Jeeper. Make off some believeble reason.
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby Fenraiser » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:45 am

kosmo16 wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:Honestly, with Kosmo's case it's probably just stress and stuff and in general just in-game apathy that was shared by most of the townsfolk.


Neh, I had impression that whole town just hated me as a person (exepct for Debil, Jeeper) and because of that no one would ever trust in my read (which was clearing Zorua, Obiwan). Especially Uzay wanted at all cost prove I can't be right. Yeah, sharing mechanical knowledge was a mistake. I should probably keep it for myself. Locktown Zorua + Obi and focus on the least vocal player who could be easily lynched: Jeeper. Make off some believeble reason.

I honestly was pocketed by Rick mostly and somewhat by Uzay. I couldn't really understand your posts D3, unfortunately, and by the time I tried to ask, it was already too late.

I really wish I had kept to my original action of giving Phone the gun (the first one was Zorua but Zorua was like a placeholder for me) and I really should have kept my YOLO attempt.
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:21 am

kosmo16 wrote:
Fenraiser wrote:Honestly, with Kosmo's case it's probably just stress and stuff and in general just in-game apathy that was shared by most of the townsfolk.


Neh, I had impression that whole town just hated me as a person (exepct for Debil, Jeeper) and because of that no one would ever trust in my read (which was clearing Zorua, Obiwan). Especially Uzay wanted at all cost prove I can't be right. Yeah, sharing mechanical knowledge was a mistake. I should probably keep it for myself. Locktown Zorua + Obi and focus on the least vocal player who could be easily lynched: Jeeper. Make off some believeble reason.


kosmo, I dont know what to say. Like it is the conclusion of the risk you took.
Like... Assume that you realized that at SoD and said mechanichal information without accusing anyone. Or actually asked a bunch of question about nightkills (which were your usual plan as I guess, I dont know why you didnt go for it) and then making your case based on that answers; we would probably lose again but it wouldnt be the same. You take an understandable risk, but 3/4 was not enough, you needed 4/4. 3/4 means the townie in there thunderdomes you in all conditions. There isnt an if or if. Like my only disappointment on you was you doing nothing except tunneling Ezra until Day3. It was probably irl related, it may not be as well, I dont know for sure but I felt that way. Your D3 was fine, just that you didnt have the error margin of one wrong read, which was what you have, 3/4.
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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby Rickdaily12 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:33 am

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:One thing I learned from this game is dammit Rick


Anyone who saw 2C in any way could have been able to tell you that, lol, that game haunts me in every game I have ever signed up for since winning it. :lol:

Not to mention its title is pretty on the nose.

if someone is skating by without any pressure for multiple in-game days, that's probably because wolves are letting them

I usually instantly die when all the Protectives/LO die. If I don't, and I'm Town, that's usually when I get REALLY worried that all of my reads are just dead wrong.

Otherwise, I think Mafias in general just assume multiple protectives in a game means decent chances someone might guard me, and that I'm just not worth dealing with unless people can somehow argue I'm not worth protecting because what I've been doing and arguing seems wolfy and agendaed.

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Re: VFM77 | Evolve Shaman Sucks | STOMP'D

Postby Rickdaily12 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:37 am

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Fenraiser wrote:Honestly, with Kosmo's case it's probably just stress and stuff and in general just in-game apathy that was shared by most of the townsfolk.


Neh, I had impression that whole town just hated me as a person (exepct for Debil, Jeeper) and because of that no one would ever trust in my read (which was clearing Zorua, Obiwan). Especially Uzay wanted at all cost prove I can't be right. Yeah, sharing mechanical knowledge was a mistake. I should probably keep it for myself. Locktown Zorua + Obi and focus on the least vocal player who could be easily lynched: Jeeper. Make off some believeble reason.

I honestly was pocketed by Rick mostly and somewhat by Uzay. I couldn't really understand your posts D3, unfortunately, and by the time I tried to ask, it was already too late.

I really wish I had kept to my original action of giving Phone the gun (the first one was Zorua but Zorua was like a placeholder for me) and I really should have kept my YOLO attempt.

Damn, you know, I really thought I had you deeper in my pocket than this makes it sound. xD

You made it sound like I was your top town read and that if I just talked you into not holstering, the gun was mine. And once I was given it, I still wasn't too sure what alignment you were when you gave it to me, lol.

All I can say is crap, now that I know how very nearly I didn't get the gun (or even end up using it) in the end. :lol:
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Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:41 am

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if someone is skating by without any pressure for multiple in-game days, that's probably because wolves are letting them

I usually instantly die when all the Protectives/LO die. If I don't, and I'm Town, that's usually when I get REALLY worried that all of my reads are just dead wrong.

Otherwise, I think Mafias in general just assume multiple protectives in a game means decent chances someone might guard me, and that I'm just not worth dealing with unless people can somehow argue I'm not worth protecting because what I've been doing and arguing seems wolfy and agendaed.

Also, thanks for your kind words, Zorua :) I had a lot of fun playing with you.

I was mostly referring to Jeeper there. I thought you would go on N3 since JK was out of the way and Doc was supposed to be on Phone, so I healed you >.>

I had fun playing with you too
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Postby Rickdaily12 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:43 am

Oh yeah, and seriously, every time Zorua posted something like "Rick is Town because he is actively hurting the wolf chances", I was laughing pretty hard behind the scenes.

It was so often by the end that I really started to think she was traitor expressing how frustrated she was that I was still alive after a certain point. xD

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Rickdaily12 wrote:
if someone is skating by without any pressure for multiple in-game days, that's probably because wolves are letting them

I usually instantly die when all the Protectives/LO die. If I don't, and I'm Town, that's usually when I get REALLY worried that all of my reads are just dead wrong.

Otherwise, I think Mafias in general just assume multiple protectives in a game means decent chances someone might guard me, and that I'm just not worth dealing with unless people can somehow argue I'm not worth protecting because what I've been doing and arguing seems wolfy and agendaed.

Also, thanks for your kind words, Zorua :) I had a lot of fun playing with you.

I was mostly referring to Jeeper there. I thought you would go on N3 since JK was out of the way and Doc was supposed to be on Phone, so I healed you >.>

I had fun playing with you too
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Oh yeah, Jeeper had such little pressure I literally forgot that it never existed on him this game, go figure lol
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Postby Fenraiser » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:58 am

Also, @Lemon, this is a great set-up design.

I lost but I did have totes amount of fun. It was fun commanding people to claim and do night actions. And I felt somewhat productive despite my low activity (tbh half the day I'm busy, then the other half if I'm lucky I'm not working).

Like, this game had a lot of nuance and mechanical complexity imo without actually being an SFM. And it was very fun to boot.

I would 100% play this game again.

I think that everyone that played can attest that they've had a good amount of fun. I know I did.
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Postby Chemist1422 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:01 am

actually, i think this setup is kinda conceptually broken

generally the idea with varying power setups (such as D6 or C9+) is that if town get power, scum get something to compensate - this setup does the reverse

town can get randed all 6 roles and scum are just screwed by no fault of their own
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Postby dolphina » Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:15 am

Gg

I actually tried to make content this game XD
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