VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over

[lemonader666]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

more likely doesn't mean knowing it for certain, but you use "thus", and "know", which seems like you know it for certain.

[lemonader666]

nvm I can't focus on this rn brb gonna play some paladins

[SparkingJay]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

more likely doesn't mean knowing it for certain, but you use "thus", and "know", which seems like you know it for certain.

Imagine not reading the op to know Vigilante rolled

[lemonader666]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

more likely doesn't mean knowing it for certain, but you use "thus", and "know", which seems like you know it for certain.

Imagine not reading the op to know Vigilante rolled

surprise, some people actually do that
the more you know

[SparkingJay]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

more likely doesn't mean knowing it for certain, but you use "thus", and "know", which seems like you know it for certain.

Imagine not reading the op to know Vigilante rolled

surprise, some people actually do that
the more you know

More than likely to come from town than scum which is my point, but eh glhf with Paladins.

[polypies73]

jabi that's like not pushy at all gotta try harder than that.

I would rather you did something instead

idk man this thread is pretty entertaining to observe

playing sentinel is a scum trait

yeah i know

probably time to spew some random stuff if it can get me involved.

[ScarredSamurai]

jabi that's like not pushy at all gotta try harder than that.

I would rather you did something instead

idk man this thread is pretty entertaining to observe

playing sentinel is a scum trait

yeah i know

probably time to spew some random stuff if it can get me involved.

Poly. Explain your reads. You said I was town then all of a sudden you scumread me without even talking about me? I don't understand and you are scummy since your reads seem to have come from a hat draw.

[polypies73]

v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

Explain Poly.

Tentative read hence the "(??)", all I like is their explosive entrance besides that they are bleh

noted that you have changed your meta around me

[polypies73]

jabi that's like not pushy at all gotta try harder than that.

I would rather you did something instead

idk man this thread is pretty entertaining to observe

playing sentinel is a scum trait

yeah i know

probably time to spew some random stuff if it can get me involved.

Poly. Explain your reads. You said I was town then all of a sudden you scumread me without even talking about me? I don't understand and you are scummy since your reads seem to have come from a hat draw.

how did you know

[polypies73]

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

why am I so high on this list

lean-scum

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

explain kosmo, scarred, sparking, and hellosither

interesting picks, probably fair enough.

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

Did you seriously just sheep Cheer's reads. i didn't see anything about me.

You townread me early on but then you just shaded me and didn't mention me once again then all of a sudden im in your Null/Scum catagory? Elaborate all your reads now.

ok you are town

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

Where's nulline of that?
+ Explain Wabbit+Sparking pls

what. if anything those are the ones i somewhat explained compared to others.

here's a real reads list
noted that you thought those were real.

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, ScarredSamurai}
{Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, kosmo16, UzayAltay}
{SparkingJayYT, HelloSither, cob709, 3cheersforidiots}

scarred what you want explained, all of them?

[polypies73]

and yes i did random.org the first list.


ok what's happening now

[polypies73]

sparking your commentary is almost as bad as mine + you fencesitted on me which you never do so yes.

hello i'm putting in scum cause i'm not reading their bs as town even if i maybe should.

cob is an obligatory sr cause their lack of direction does not feel townie, it just feels as if they need to fit in with town.

3cheers cause it's basically hello but worse

[polypies73]

here are my reads.

lemonader666, ScarredSamurai, dota2reporter - mafia
TheWabbit, HelloSither, kosmo16, UzayAltay, Jabichuelas, 3cheersforidiots, SparkingJayYT, polypies73, cob709, Crimson97 - town

this was not done on random.org i promise.

copycat

[polypies73]

sparking your commentary is almost as bad as mine + you fencesitted on me which you never do so yes.

hello i'm putting in scum cause i'm not reading their bs as town even if i maybe should.

cob is an obligatory sr cause their lack of direction does not feel townie, it just feels as if they need to fit in with town.

3cheers cause it's basically hello but worse

what does your reasoning for me and 3cheers even mean.

you cry over being mafia and point out that you re so scummy to yourself

[cob709]

I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

[polypies73]

I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

that's what having reads is... you say these x group of people are scum, here is why, do you agree etc.

[polypies73]

sparking your commentary is almost as bad as mine + you fencesitted on me which you never do so yes.

hello i'm putting in scum cause i'm not reading their bs as town even if i maybe should.

cob is an obligatory sr cause their lack of direction does not feel townie, it just feels as if they need to fit in with town.

3cheers cause it's basically hello but worse

what does your reasoning for me and 3cheers even mean.

you cry over being mafia and point out that you re so scummy to yourself

do you know what a joke is.

no I've never made one in my life

[polypies73]

I think either poly, scarred, or hello is scum.
It's really easy to create a list D1 and point fingers, especially at me.
You're pretty much moving attention towards a specific group of people to poe, hoping everyone else agrees with you.

i never even said that i think you're scum? :L

who do you think is scum?

[TheWabbit]

wow i've sure been underwhelming ay. guess working on a game takes up a lot of time

you're finally aware
congratulations

[Crimson97]

I haven't forgotten about this.

[TheWabbit]

{Jabichuelas, ScarredSamurai}
{Hellosither, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{lemonader666} - null
{dota2reporter, kosmo16, cob709}
{SparkingJayYT, UzayAltay, polypies73}

explain samurai

snide and somewhat confident tone, though they've exclaimed that they have experience in playing mafia so that could be replicated depending on skill
but i'm banking on v!samurai solely because he's performing better than anyone below his tier

[TheWabbit]

v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

this list is trash
you have three underperforming players on the list and one i can discount to null at most

[TheWabbit]

Since Cob didn’t answer my question I’m just going to assume he is new by his recent posts and that it doesn’t resemble noobmafia being coached on how to play, he sounds more lost in thread atm

i get what ur saying but i also feel like i havent seen enough of them to make a significant judgement.

They lack any real direction this game, wdym

im saying its too early to make the call that their lack of direction is town indicative imo. theirs a large chance their hypothetical mafia buddies dont dictate much of what theyve said so far.

You would expect Mafia buddies to help a new player out not just throw them out to the wilderness with nothing

is this your first game in ToSFM

[TheWabbit]

What makes hypoclaiming a good strategy for this setup?

We start with 4 PRs , e.g. 4 Roles that If Mafia cant kill , they'll eithers confirm self or Mafia needs to cc.
Visitors are A bit More compliated Because Mafia claiming there gives 2/1 odds but still , It's unpreferable for Mafia .
The point of hypos are , A citcheck of Neo is locktown.
So even If Mafia manages to kill Neo somehow, that conftowns can hurt them hard.

An example situation to Show that :

D1 citlynch n1 visitorkill d2 citlynch n2 jkkill d3 citlynch n3 neokill -> 4v3 with 2 confcit and 1 visitor.

Cool.

We're not hypoclaiming then.

Why???
Look, I chose an example situation that's bad for us ( Mafia kill PR Each night, cit is lynched every day) but still, end is 33% mechanichal WR.

Wabbit SR's you. He will not follow your hypoclaim strat assuming you are scum and it will benefit the scum faction.

I'm not following any hypoclaim plans solely because it's doomed to fail with this playerlist.
It only works for those that actually utilize information obtained from flips to help further Town's goals

that and there's a scum strat to counter hypoclaiming and SHC completely in this setup that i won't explain in cases everyone still thinks that hypoclaiming for SHC is a good idea

[TheWabbit]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

i'm not dealing with this kind of argument again
it's true to a certain extent but it's too unreliable to use as a tell