VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over

[3cheersforidiots]

If Crimson is wolf that does a lot of spews mostly based off his associations with a lot of players, I'd go as for as to say that the game could almost be solved.

except like 90% of the game now thinks he's scum

got TU as well
deeply apologize for the literal essay, specially to the people it involves
Spoiler: Ok, here's my take: I think Sparking and 3cheers are scum buddies, and I'm back to suspecting poly.

This is no longer about the hypoclaiming dilemma, although I'll still keep that in mind; this is about what took place during EoD.
Before Sparking decided to CFD Wabbit, 3cheers not only townread Wabbit at the time, but she also wanted to get poly lynched. That's clearly visible in her ISO.

However, that changes in page 34 (shortcut) when sparking decides to vote wabbit, and then you see these interactions with sparking from her

I'm not gonna get into Wabbit now because I still find that impossible (though I'll retain my slight v-lean on him for nulltonal reasons), but let me know if you guys think he's got wolf equity and/or is trying to yeet me into scumread territory

3cheers where is your vote at atm?

poly
willing to CFD if there's a convincing case, but my issue is that I have too many scumreads for the actual amount of scum there is in this game

which allow for the opportunity to swap the vote away from poly AND onto Wabbit later on. I've also checked while rereading it that she was still set on voting poly out like if none of that happened. This is weak on its own, but let's move forward. With Kosmo's vote, the votecount was 4 Wabbit | 3 Poly, but before the time extension was added Uzay voted for Poly (uzay is town if my theory is right) and the votes were now 4-4 with 20 minutes left. Now you all say that poly's wagon had no resistance from anyone, but Uzay's vote caused Sparking to quickly ISO dive for our reasonings to vote poly (and around here is when the time extension happened)

@Uzay what swayed you to vote Poly?
Last page you seemed to be clueless on Poly.

I can't find any solid reasons for w!Poly in 3cheers/Javi's ISO

Javi what is your scumread on Poly, all I can see is that you can't find anything townie about them.
why didn't you ask her as well? has she already said enough?

@Samurai, Poly aggressively shades a lot you get used to it after some time.

and then say this. From my pov I think this was a subtle attempt to make us do a last-minute swap by casting doubt about our votes, considering the time of the posts. Honestly, it could have worked for me, but they were far from making me. It "worked" for 3cheers though, but what she did instead was take advantage of Hello's post and swap the vote because of the resistances to both wagons instead of any other reason. You claim that you had little time to think during EoD, but personally I find that hard to believe. Compared to the "you" hours before then, this was too sudden of a change. Besides, poly was close to dying and what I think you did was take a risk to save your buddy. Or maybe the priority was getting Wabbit out. This is something I question.

I regret now not defending Wabbit more, because now that I've reread EoD I find 3 problems with Sparking's wagon:
1) Wabbit had 2 memevotes on him already, Crimson and Lemon. If they had forgotten to appear in EoD, which they did, the wagon would have easily beaten poly's in number of votes.
2) Wabbit said he was going to sleep before you started it, meaning he wouldn't be able to appear at EoD and explain himself in the case against him.
3) The analysis (or case) on buddying 3cheers felt off. Why didn't you just ask Wabbit about the reads on 3cheers? I'm sure you were in time. His reach on Uzay during RVS and the discussion following it happened because no one understood what the three emojis meant, personally I didn't mind much

The read about the vig seemed unnatural, like forcing interaction between you two, need to recheck that
and my PoE was [Kosmo, (Uzay), Sparking, Poly, 3cheers, Cob], haven't elaborated on that yet, ik

If I wanted to defend my supposed buddy poly, pray tell, why was I the first one in the entire game to vote him, and not as a meme, but as a legitimate push?

EBWOP

[3cheersforidiots]

okay, so going back to my previous solving attempt, I see two possible scumteams:

(Sparking, Uzay, kosmo/Chemist)
or
(Crimson, lemon, Chemist)

/vote Chemist
I have a sneaking suspicion now that the first scumteam is more likely than the second at the moment though, purely because of all the not w/w interactions surrounding Crimson (of course, unless scum is hardbussing him D2 for whatever reason)

[kosmo16]

Also anyone who hypo’d a red check is bad at hypos

Though the visitors really should’ve claimed D1 because they have more utility as ICs than tracker bait

Did you join to spread stupidity or what? There is no red checks in this game. There are 4 Citizens and 7 non-Citizens of course saying the guy is not-Cit has more sense.

[Crimson97]

okay, so going back to my previous solving attempt, I see two possible scumteams:

(Sparking, Uzay, kosmo/Chemist)
or
(Crimson, lemon, Chemist)

/vote Chemist
I have a sneaking suspicion now that the first scumteam is more likely than the second at the moment though, purely because of all the not w/w interactions surrounding Crimson (of course, unless scum is hardbussing him D2 for whatever reason)

But why are you voting Chemist if you're not sure about him instead of Uzay/Sparking who you're sure about.

[kosmo16]

okay, so going back to my previous solving attempt, I see two possible scumteams:

(Sparking, Uzay, kosmo/Chemist)
or
(Crimson, lemon, Chemist)

/vote Chemist
I have a sneaking suspicion now that the first scumteam is more likely than the second at the moment though, purely because of all the not w/w interactions surrounding Crimson (of course, unless scum is hardbussing him D2 for whatever reason)

But why are you voting Chemist if you're not sure about him instead of Uzay/Sparking who you're sure about.

Give him free cheers for that.

That's actually a good point.

[kosmo16]

Sorry for my absence in the thread. There are 2 reasons for that.
1. XX8 were more interesting and D1 in games are not interesting for me.
2. I had in mind a masterpiece outplay when I was joining this game, but I didn't roll scum to do it.

[kosmo16]

Damn, hypoclaiming is stupid don't do this please....

[kosmo16]

Damn, hypoclaiming is stupid don't do this please....

I know what I was saying D1, but I just realized that 2 Citizens are dead.

[kosmo16]

So what we gonna do today is claiming Cit/Not-Cit. This will put scums into very bad position.

I am Citizen.

[kosmo16]

Also If Neopolitan will see non-Cit claiming Cit they speak up.

[kosmo16]

So what we gonna do today is claiming Cit/Not-Cit. This will put scums into very bad position.

I am Citizen.

If anyone has doubts. Here are pros and cons.

Pros:
1. We will end up with 2 groups with 5 people and 6 people. We will know exactly how many scums are in each group. If we lynch scum from group of 5 it automatically lock-town 4 people.
2. Neopolitan will be checking only people from group of Citizen claims, so they won't waste time.

Cons:
1. Mafia have easier time finding Neopolitan.

[UzayAltay]

Also anyone who hypo’d a red check is bad at hypos

Though the visitors really should’ve claimed D1 because they have more utility as ICs than tracker bait

oh hello there.

That is actually a pretty good idea, would it be a bad idea if the visitors were to claim now?

Since that either gives us more checks from a Nea or allow 2 confirmed towns in endgame.

No
And no
Never Ever calculate A play without scum's counterplay.
What is our plan If A scum ccs visitors? We Dont have First part, we just helped Mafia.
Second part Also Dont work, Unless We succeed at lynching Mafia in visitors.

[UzayAltay]

what I don't get is why does poly still consider sparking scummy, guess we'll find out
/vote Sparking

probs couldn't clear everything, will try to fix that tomorrow
sorry if I was aggressive

TBH If You are going with This I think 3cheers is better start .
Like just Look me/them exchanges at Day 2 and I think Everyone should see The problem.

[3cheersforidiots]

okay, so going back to my previous solving attempt, I see two possible scumteams:

(Sparking, Uzay, kosmo/Chemist)
or
(Crimson, lemon, Chemist)

/vote Chemist
I have a sneaking suspicion now that the first scumteam is more likely than the second at the moment though, purely because of all the not w/w interactions surrounding Crimson (of course, unless scum is hardbussing him D2 for whatever reason)

But why are you voting Chemist if you're not sure about him instead of Uzay/Sparking who you're sure about.

because he's in both of the potential scumteams
duh

[UzayAltay]

Uzay i want you to tell me where in this post i said Sparking was town with a bad read. This was my original argument and the one you said was wrong. The post you've been quoting so much was just me accepting there's a chance Sparking is town with a bad read. If the read is bad or good is subjective and if you disagree with me that doesn't make it a logical flaw.

Sparking you're clearing poly cause of the dead atmosphere but the CFD on Wabbit nullifies that. I was the first vote on that wagon, you were the second one. My vote was not really serious but yours was so you kickstarted the whole thing. If poly is scum there's a big chance you are their buddy.

Mhm I see your point now, You think they are their scumbuddy and trying to clear Poly based no CFD.
That, kinda makes sense but from Sparking's PoV thinking Poly is town Also make sense.

Bruh i asked you. Where did you see me calling Sparking town?

Bruh Are You okay?
I literally just Said I misthought you meant that way.

[kosmo16]

Uzay i want you to tell me where in this post i said Sparking was town with a bad read. This was my original argument and the one you said was wrong. The post you've been quoting so much was just me accepting there's a chance Sparking is town with a bad read. If the read is bad or good is subjective and if you disagree with me that doesn't make it a logical flaw.

Sparking you're clearing poly cause of the dead atmosphere but the CFD on Wabbit nullifies that. I was the first vote on that wagon, you were the second one. My vote was not really serious but yours was so you kickstarted the whole thing. If poly is scum there's a big chance you are their buddy.

Mhm I see your point now, You think they are their scumbuddy and trying to clear Poly based no CFD.
That, kinda makes sense but from Sparking's PoV thinking Poly is town Also make sense.

Bruh i asked you. Where did you see me calling Sparking town?

Bruh Are You okay?
I literally just Said I misthought you meant that way.

Claim Cit or Non-cit.

[UzayAltay]

Anyways, i don't buy that Uzay didn't understand what i meant. He probably realised early on he was wrong and tried to use my second post to push his argumnt. It wasn't until i ask him something that he can't twist into supporting his argument that he goes "oh yeah you're right" and he completely ignores my question which he should be able to answer if it was a honest mistake.

[3cheersforidiots]

what I don't get is why does poly still consider sparking scummy, guess we'll find out
/vote Sparking

probs couldn't clear everything, will try to fix that tomorrow
sorry if I was aggressive

TBH If You are going with This I think 3cheers is better start .
Like just Look me/them exchanges at Day 2 and I think Everyone should see The problem.

what problem?
you accused me of stuff, I responded to your accusation in kind and pointed out why your argument is wrong, and you kept being like, 'haha no ur wolf lulw lulw lulw'
you never acknowledged my post on how varying my meta was intentional on D1 either

[3cheersforidiots]

So what we gonna do today is claiming Cit/Not-Cit. This will put scums into very bad position.

I am Citizen.

If anyone has doubts. Here are pros and cons.

Pros:
1. We will end up with 2 groups with 5 people and 6 people. We will know exactly how many scums are in each group. If we lynch scum from group of 5 it automatically lock-town 4 people.
2. Neopolitan will be checking only people from group of Citizen claims, so they won't waste time.

Cons:
1. Mafia have easier time finding Neopolitan.

uhhh
can you explain point 1 to me, and how that would work?

[UzayAltay]

@3cheers Exhibit A)2 happened after You voted.
So You voted only Because Javi didnt want to vote Wabbit?
That Dont seems Like make sense.
And your "rational behind" Didnt make much sense to me from a town mindset. Still not making much sense.

[kosmo16]

So what we gonna do today is claiming Cit/Not-Cit. This will put scums into very bad position.

I am Citizen.

If anyone has doubts. Here are pros and cons.

Pros:
1. We will end up with 2 groups with 5 people and 6 people. We will know exactly how many scums are in each group. If we lynch scum from group of 5 it automatically lock-town 4 people.
2. Neopolitan will be checking only people from group of Citizen claims, so they won't waste time.

Cons:
1. Mafia have easier time finding Neopolitan.

uhhh
can you explain point 1 to me, and how that would work?

After all people claim, we will end up with 5-6 Citizen claims and 5-6 Non-Citizen claims. Because we have 4 Citizens and 4 Non-citizens we know exactly how many scums are in each group.

[UzayAltay]

@kosmo Let me think about your plan for a bit .

[kosmo16]

@kosmo Let me think about your plan for a bit .

You need to discuss it with your teammates. That's fine. Take your time.

[UzayAltay]

As I understand, You support hypo of PR group from now on.
TBH my only problem is The possibility of Neo dying n2, but it is not much of A risk , I believe.
I am citizen.

[kosmo16]

Citizens:
1. Kosmo
2. Uzay

Non-Citizens:
1.