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Postby ManateeDude » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:36 pm

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:10 am

ah yes my favourite period of time when all the Americans are sleeping.
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby cob709 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:26 am

polypies73 wrote:ah yes my favourite period of time when all the Americans are sleeping.

bold of you to assume i sleep
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:11 am

cob709 wrote:
polypies73 wrote:ah yes my favourite period of time when all the Americans are sleeping.

bold of you to assume i sleep

*pretend to sleep

hey cob who is your top 2 townreads and top 2 scumreads, no reasons needed
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby cob709 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:59 am

im bad at reading but i like myself
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby polypies73 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:03 am

cob709 wrote:im bad at reading but i like myself

i'm bad at reading too but i can provide that info
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby 3cheersforidiots » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:39 am

SP

/vote Crimson
Think this vote is a good start, will catch up later
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby lemonader666 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:50 am

hey, just wanna say sorry for not showing up to EoD like I promised(I overslept) and sorry for not posting today, I kinda lost my wim for the whole day but i promise i'll resolve things tomorow
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:22 am

Hellosither wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:All I get from that EoD is:
- Poly/Uzay not w/w
- Poly/Jabi not w/w

Might try to analyse deeper later but I need to sleep bye.

:L

mafia did a really good job of not caring about their buddy dying, then. and nobody except maybe ScarredSamurai pushed them to an extent where it could be considered an obvious bus - mafia would want their bus to be obvious if they were doing it.

uhh when did I say Poly was wolf

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:23 am

cob709 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:All I get from that EoD is:
- Poly/Uzay not w/w
- Poly/Jabi not w/w

Might try to analyse deeper later but I need to sleep bye.

what does w/w mean? Can you explain how you got that?

w/w means they are likely/are scumbuddies. Then you can figure out what not w/w would imply.

Analysing votes against a v!Wabbit lynch.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:31 am

Jabichuelas wrote:I don't feel good about hypoclaiming, but I feel like I'll just feel forced to do it anyway later on when I wake up because everyone else will have done it and they will force me to do it and I can't be the one who screws up the entire thing, just want to observe whether everyone in the game is happy with this or not

Also I don't get dota being the nightkill, wasn't he being scumread and "underproductive"?
(sorry dota, I would've asked you that now that wabbit died maybe you could be more involved, but I guess not)

@lemon @crimson were your votes meant to stay there?

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Jabichuelas wrote:Hold on, this is not right at all

Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Wabbit flipped town and immediately start hypoclaiming?
He strongly disagreed to it, are we not going to talk about how his death feels too convenient for you and your plans, or about how much of a threat he could have been to the mafia while we're at it?

and imo, Sparking doesn't feel too bothered about it
3cheers' sudden vote also seemed too unexpected to me, didn't bring that up during the end of D1 because during then I thought maybe she was just convinced about Wabbit being the right vote but after reading the entire thread again it bugs me off
(assume I read the entire thread once in a day before beginning to post)

After seeing wabbit being mislynched I considered something like this to happen, and I'm bringing this up because it happened.

Just because Wabbit disagreed with it means no one else can hypo? wut

Also didn't feel too bothered about what

I'm not saying you can't, if I'm honest I don't know enough myself to pick a side about whether hypoclaiming is good or not, but there were definitely mixed thoughts about it and imo we're now pretending they were never there to begin with, which I don't think is a good signal
fine it doesn't help my point that wabbit never talked about "the scum strat to counter hypoclaiming and SHC", but still, I feel like there shouldn't be carelessness about this topic

besides, I mentioned earlier that I thought he was being a threat to mafia, and by thinking that way and seeing his town flip my reads changed completely
so I figured his flip would be telling for everyone else in the game as well, not just EoD I guess

I think you didn't feel too bothered about him dying, and your reasoning "being wrong" in a way. Maybe you're all used to mislynching, but I'm not so that's why I brought that up

I was thinking earlier, my main guesses were that either Dota had good reads, one that stuck out was their read of Crimson being PR or Wolf.
Other one was likely PR due to inactivity although they have shown to be inactive as Cit e.g VFM69

Going with what I believe is +ev for town,
When someone gets mislynched it's better to be productive than cry over something that already happened.

I do like your cautiousness around hypoing, feels like you are genuinely hesitant because of Wabbit's thoughts.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:34 am

polypies73 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:hypoing nea

Lemon - Not cit.


wtf is this hypo sparking. like i don't want to explain it in case wolves are inexperienced, but like bruh.

Assuming I am real Nea.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:39 am

ScarredSamurai wrote:
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Crimson97 wrote:Ok i am an idiot for not realising day was gonna end so soon, but town are even more idiotic for lynching Wabbit.

I want to PL you for that comment.

Town was stupid for lynching wabbit though.

For Crimson to not show up at EoD to go against Wabbit lynch and not giving Wabbit a townread themselves, I don't think it's fair for them to make that comment when they were also nullifying TRs on Wabbit.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:41 am

ScarredSamurai wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Gut feeling both wagons at EoD were TvT

mainly due to the dead atmosphere when Poly was topwagon for several hours leading up to EoD, if my facts are correct.

Thats logical but.. If not Poly. Do you think scum just watched it unfold? as I missed EoD so i can't possibally tell.

If they have no reason to show up at EoD then why not, or just make the situation between WabbitvPoly more tense

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:42 am

!hypo Scared cit
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

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NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 am

polypies73 wrote:sparking I've said is scum like the whole game, should probably do a case or something.

Start with an actual read first.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 am

polypies73 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:I was tinfoiling the possibility of there being at least 1 scum within [Crimson/Lemon] due to not appearing at EoD, I was thinking that either of them decided not to show up at EoD to keep their votes on Wabbit which were still classified as memevotes.

I was inactive cause of irl stuff.

i mean that tinfoil is so bad it's causing like mountains of twtbaw

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:46 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:SP

/vote Crimson
Think this vote is a good start, will catch up later

Tempting.

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:52 am

I have more TRs than I expected and literally have a pool of:
[Hello / Lemon / Crimson / 3Cheers] lul

time to look over my tr's ig

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:03 am

@Poly @Javi I think You are doing The Opposite of ad hominem (I Dont remember properly term now) : defending an idea Because somebody Who flipped town thinks that way.
Only reason them defending that idea was not Trusting The playerlist, rather that it being wrong.
I believe They mainly afraid from SHC angle of that, but We Dont have to apply SHC Ever.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:06 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:I have more TRs than I expected and literally have a pool of:
[Hello / Lemon / Crimson / 3Cheers] lul

time to look over my tr's ig

What the ???
I want to hear your TRs Because 6TRs in Day 2 is , spicy.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:07 am

Thoughts?
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Crimson97 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:{Jabichuelas, Hellosither, ScarredSamurai}
{3cheersforidiots, dota2reporter, kosmo16}
{UzayAltay, SparkingJayYT, lemonader666, Crimson97, polypies73, cob709}

top bracket's core
middle are those who haven't checked in
bottom ring is PoE

>two posts
>core

Crimson/Hello not w/w: Discrediting Hello being in a towncore

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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby UzayAltay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:13 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:Thoughts?
Spoiler:
Crimson97 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:{Jabichuelas, Hellosither, ScarredSamurai}
{3cheersforidiots, dota2reporter, kosmo16}
{UzayAltay, SparkingJayYT, lemonader666, Crimson97, polypies73, cob709}

top bracket's core
middle are those who haven't checked in
bottom ring is PoE

>two posts
>core

Crimson/Hello not w/w: Discrediting Hello being in a towncore

Make sense but I wouldnt Directly Pull that from there , and would only say less likely.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby Crimson97 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:13 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Ok i am an idiot for not realising day was gonna end so soon, but town are even more idiotic for lynching Wabbit.

I want to PL you for that comment.

Town was stupid for lynching wabbit though.

For Crimson to not show up at EoD to go against Wabbit lynch and not giving Wabbit a townread themselves, I don't think it's fair for them to make that comment when they were also nullifying TRs on Wabbit.

Again i didn't show up cause i was busy. Ik there's no way for me to prove it but i was also inactive in the other game i was in.

Also, i was going against Wabbit cause his reads were BS.
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Re: VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Day 2

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:18 am

UzayAltay wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:I have more TRs than I expected and literally have a pool of:
[Hello / Lemon / Crimson / 3Cheers] lul

time to look over my tr's ig

What the ???
I want to hear your TRs Because 6TRs in Day 2 is , spicy.

Most of them are for singular reasons which I'll quote.

Javi:
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SparkingJayYT wrote:I do like your cautiousness around hypoing, feels like you are genuinely hesitant because of Wabbit's thoughts.

Poly:
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SparkingJayYT wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Gut feeling both wagons at EoD were TvT

mainly due to the dead atmosphere when Poly was topwagon for several hours leading up to EoD, if my facts are correct.

SparkingJayYT wrote:
ScarredSamurai wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

Explain Poly.

Tentative read hence the "(??)", all I like is their explosive entrance besides that they are bleh

Kosmo:
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SparkingJayYT wrote:
kosmo16 wrote:Yeah I forgot why I wanted Hello dead.
/vote unvote

uh okay then

In context of Wabbit saying for you to explain your read or you are claiming scum, this is a good look. You would expect Mafia to try whip something up rather than risk Wabbit's hellfire.

Uzay:
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SparkingJayYT wrote:Uzay was gut v but I like their attempts at solving in 3cheers/Hello

You can also add your case on 3cheers which I liked.

Cob:
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SparkingJayYT wrote:Since Cob didn’t answer my question I’m just going to assume he is new by his recent posts and that it doesn’t resemble noobmafia being coached on how to play, he sounds more lost in thread atm

Samurai (probably my weakest)
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SparkingJayYT wrote:Samurai, liked their stand-out entrance especially in the first sentence.
ScarredSamurai wrote:Im hardclaiming villager to start the game off. If you follow my reads throughout the game town is bound to win! Everyone who opposes me is but a mortal and/or scum!

Now quick follow me and vote Lemonader666! They literally have the godforsaken devil in their name!

/vote lemonader666

gg wp scum.

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