VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over

[SparkingJay]

(3cheers / Dota can die)

sounds cool

Your slip is very disingenuous

[SparkingJay]

Since Cob didn’t answer my question I’m just going to assume he is new by his recent posts and that it doesn’t resemble noobmafia being coached on how to play, he sounds more lost in thread atm

i get what ur saying but i also feel like i havent seen enough of them to make a significant judgement.

They lack any real direction this game, wdym

[SparkingJay]

Gut v on Kosmo/Uzay

[SparkingJay]

/vote Hello

Wagon this. Explanation will come later.

please tell me your trivial explanation. im interested.

No.

NAGL

Personally think it's nai

[SparkingJay]

/vote Hello

Wagon this. Explanation will come later.

please tell me your trivial explanation. im interested.

No.

NAGL

what?

Not A Good Look - means kosmo's post doesn't look good on her

oh. i dont find it suspicious, just stupid.

I personally thought it was weird of her to refuse to provide a case when asked by the accused

Why would scum avoid explaining the read either.

[SparkingJay]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

0-o

[SparkingJay]

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

explain kosmo, scarred, sparking, and hellosither

Good luck

[SparkingJay]

v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

[SparkingJay]

fyi this is the 3cheers slip that feels very disingenuous:

Pretty sure its just Citizens. And Goons are considered "Non Cits" But that doesnt stop them from claiming PR in a 1 for 1. With lack of Vigi in this setup it's gonna be painful dealing with these 1 for 1's.

that's what lynches are for?
vig is likely to fuck over town with hero shooting anyway

Eh, good point. Vigis should always shoot within the PoE to help solve. But im saying we lynch one and shoot the other during the night instead of wasting a day of solving when we can just lynch a lock-scum.

wait, is there a Vigi in the setup?
I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup
don't go confusing me

Beofre that post they acknowledged only 1 KP with this post:
Spoiler:

This game is going to be very hard to solve with no kill credits, prepare yourselves.

Ah yes, disabling kill credit when there can only be one kill source.

the horror

[SparkingJay]

Since Cob didn’t answer my question I’m just going to assume he is new by his recent posts and that it doesn’t resemble noobmafia being coached on how to play, he sounds more lost in thread atm

i get what ur saying but i also feel like i havent seen enough of them to make a significant judgement.

They lack any real direction this game, wdym

im saying its too early to make the call that their lack of direction is town indicative imo. theirs a large chance their hypothetical mafia buddies dont dictate much of what theyve said so far.

You would expect Mafia buddies to help a new player out not just throw them out to the wilderness with nothing

[ScarredSamurai]

so... since im mafia i guess i will vote my self?

/vote Hellosither

Wtf are you doing this game?

im slightly confused myself.

(catching up btw)

[ScarredSamurai]

What makes hypoclaiming a good strategy for this setup?

We start with 4 PRs , e.g. 4 Roles that If Mafia cant kill , they'll eithers confirm self or Mafia needs to cc.
Visitors are A bit More compliated Because Mafia claiming there gives 2/1 odds but still , It's unpreferable for Mafia .
The point of hypos are , A citcheck of Neo is locktown.
So even If Mafia manages to kill Neo somehow, that conftowns can hurt them hard.

An example situation to Show that :

D1 citlynch n1 visitorkill d2 citlynch n2 jkkill d3 citlynch n3 neokill -> 4v3 with 2 confcit and 1 visitor.

Cool.

We're not hypoclaiming then.

Why???
Look, I chose an example situation that's bad for us ( Mafia kill PR Each night, cit is lynched every day) but still, end is 33% mechanichal WR.

Wabbit SR's you. He will not follow your hypoclaim strat assuming you are scum and it will benefit the scum faction.

[SparkingJay]

fyi this is the 3cheers slip that feels very disingenuous:

Pretty sure its just Citizens. And Goons are considered "Non Cits" But that doesnt stop them from claiming PR in a 1 for 1. With lack of Vigi in this setup it's gonna be painful dealing with these 1 for 1's.

that's what lynches are for?
vig is likely to fuck over town with hero shooting anyway

Eh, good point. Vigis should always shoot within the PoE to help solve. But im saying we lynch one and shoot the other during the night instead of wasting a day of solving when we can just lynch a lock-scum.

wait, is there a Vigi in the setup?
I'm pretty sure there is no vigi in the setup
don't go confusing me

Beofre that post they acknowledged only 1 KP with this post:

This game is going to be very hard to solve with no kill credits, prepare yourselves.

Ah yes, disabling kill credit when there can only be one kill source.

the horror

i dont see how thats disingenuous, they previously believed there was no vigilante and then had their belief questioned by what ScarredSamurai said. i also dont see how 3cheers as either alignment would benefit by being disingenuous here.

"ah the horror of 1 KP with killcred"
--2 seconds later...
"wOAh vIGi eXiSt?!"

I shouldn't have to answer why attempting to townslip is beneficial

[ScarredSamurai]

poly and dota just ditched the game. Amazing.

I'd be more concerned by how fluffy cob is.

You think they're scum or just don't give a crap?

why not both?

More of a I don't give a crap. I can't justify a read on fluffy posts. If he continues then he could be up for hanging but as of this moment. I'm not impressed and they've been acting weird.

[ScarredSamurai]

so... since im mafia i guess i will vote my self?

/vote Hellosither

town????
somebody help me

Idek lol. Is this scum trying to look townie or townie thats acting silly.

[ScarredSamurai]

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

Did you seriously just sheep Cheer's reads. i didn't see anything about me.

You townread me early on but then you just shaded me and didn't mention me once again then all of a sudden im in your Null/Scum catagory? Elaborate all your reads now.

[ScarredSamurai]

/unvote

I thought you were scum

[SparkingJay]

Clear uncertainty of a Vigilante existing in the setup whilst acknowledging 1 KP is in game, jesus christ

Scum are more likely to pay attention to the setup to strategize thus meaning they know Vigilante can't roll.

[ScarredSamurai]

v: Cob, Kosmo, Uzay, Poly (??), Samurai

Explain Poly.

[UzayAltay]

ok good point, didn't see such a long pause between the first and second post

what about my first point tho

I don't see it.
Like I cant see anyone Who would Do something when I wrote 3cheers cannot Do it Because I wrote instead.

ok you're chill
/unvote

i knew my point was already incorrect from the start since it's just an rvs vote, i just wanted to see your responses

actually yeah, I like this post from Crimson

Can I ask Why?
That seems completely off-context to me.

[UzayAltay]

{Jabichuelas, Hellosither, ScarredSamurai}
{3cheersforidiots, dota2reporter, kosmo16}
{UzayAltay, SparkingJayYT, lemonader666, Crimson97, polypies73, cob709}

top bracket's core
middle are those who haven't checked in
bottom ring is PoE

Bolded are people posted before that post
Not-bolded are people havent posted before that post.
Wabbit?

Why is that important?

(Big)

maybe they didn't talk enough so Wabbit put them there?

Not possible.
Hello had only 2 posts at that moment. I only had 1 .
3cheers , read First page to see How much they have at least.

yeah, but my three posts were completely NAI, as were Hello's posts
you could argue that your own RVS vote was NAI, but there has since been a discussion about it, which means hindsight

/vote 3cheers
It's clear You are trying to defend something without Having any information on it.
They literally thought Hello is towny Because that posts.

[UzayAltay]

guys i think im mafia.

umm
What?

w!hellosither → w!uzay

I'd argue this only increases scum equity for Uzay, actually

Care to explain?

[UzayAltay]

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

Where's nulline of that?
+ Explain Wabbit+Sparking pls

[UzayAltay]

{TheWabbit, Crimson97, 3cheersforidiots}
{kosmo16, Jabichuelas, lemonader666}
{dota2reporter, UzayAltay, ScarredSamurai}
{SparkingJayYT, cob709, HelloSither}

Where's nulline of that?
+ Explain Wabbit+Sparking+3cheers pls

Ebwop

[UzayAltay]

/vote Hello

Wagon this. Explanation will come later.

please tell me your trivial explanation. im interested.

Bruh Why Do You keep calling points against You "Trivial" without hearing them?