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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:28 am

Mafia: EvilD
NK: Crimson
NE/whatever else fits here: Jackson

That's my solve.

As long as people follow my reads then I don't care if you sheep Jackson

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby theyellowgreninja » Sat May 23, 2020 10:29 am

3cheersforidiots wrote:in the meantime, @ninja please tell me why I shouldn't think you're mafia

I'm curious as to when I've looked like I've teamed up with/defended anyone. The only times that I can think of that I've done that are:
-Defending Zorua yesterday (because at the time the claim was kind of legit and we didn't know what was up with 2304).
-Calling Jackson town (see townread explanation)
I actively called out Elusive fairly early on (too early for it to be a bus, I feel)
The only people I have yet to scumread at some point (or at least find sus in some way) are:
Evan - Conftown
Jackson - See townread explanation (looked townie, hasn't wavered on that one at all)
That's it.
At this point, Wabbit, you, and 2304 are also townie, but that wasn't always the case.
So I'm definitely not maf, and if I was then I would be a terrible teammate.


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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:29 am

TheWabbit wrote:who's redchecked?

Me by Jackson
His reasoning for the check: Bussing

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:29 am

nontown: jackson

if you sheep jackson as long as you acknowledge they're scum-aligned i'm fine with it

i don't need to catch up to say that this is bullshit
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby theyellowgreninja » Sat May 23, 2020 10:30 am

theyellowgreninja wrote:
3cheersforidiots wrote:in the meantime, @ninja please tell me why I shouldn't think you're mafia

I'm curious as to when I've looked like I've teamed up with/defended anyone. The only times that I can think of that I've done that are:
-Defending Zorua yesterday (because at the time the claim was kind of legit and we didn't know what was up with 2304).
-Calling Jackson town (see townread explanation)
I actively called out Elusive fairly early on (too early for it to be a bus, I feel)
The only people I have yet to scumread at some point (or at least find sus in some way) are:
Evan - Conftown
Jackson - See townread explanation (looked townie, hasn't wavered on that one at all)
That's it.
At this point, Wabbit, you, and 2304 are also townie, but that wasn't always the case.
So I'm definitely not maf, and if I was then I would be a terrible teammate.

wait lemme add Potato to that list of people I've defended but that was because Crimson's analysis of that mod message is still stupid, and Potato wasn't even mafia


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VFM22 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Serial Killer win
SFM39 - Braum lived - Demacia (Town) win
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:31 am

TheWabbit wrote:nontown: jackson

if you sheep jackson as long as you acknowledge they're scum-aligned i'm fine with it

i don't need to catch up to say that this is bullshit

Referring to my Maf/NK reads smh

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby Crimson97 » Sat May 23, 2020 10:31 am

TheWabbit wrote:who's redchecked?

Sparking
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:32 am

shaking my smh my head
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:32 am

TheWabbit wrote:shaking my smh my head

Exactly.

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:33 am

even without the NE: jackson part that post is already ???
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby theyellowgreninja » Sat May 23, 2020 10:34 am

gonna be real Jay going super hard and solving isn't a great look
the tone is so off and different from the rest of the game
I definitely feel like we're being lied to with at least some of that solution
Specifically, saying ED is maf (and the only one at that) seems super strange (we've determined that there's no mechanical reason ED needs to be maf, since JK RB's, and Uzay seems more likely to be maf than ED to me)
Edit: forgot jay was the redcheck yeah this tells me ED is 100% notmaf and suddenly crimson looking kind of not evil wowee


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NFM41 - Consigliere lived - Mafia Win
SFM28 - Citizen lived - Mafia/Neutral Win
NFM44 - Serial Killer died N1 - Mafia win
VFM22 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Serial Killer win
SFM39 - Braum lived - Demacia (Town) win
GFM2.43 - Common Myeloid Progenitor Colony (Ret) lived - Neoplasm (NK) win
SFM56 - Ninja Killed by Veteran N3 - Mafia win
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:34 am

TheWabbit wrote:even without the NE: jackson part that post is already ???

Check my reasoning then

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:37 am

do i really have to
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:38 am

theyellowgreninja wrote:gonna be real Jay going super hard and solving isn't a great look
the tone is so off and different from the rest of the game
I definitely feel like we're being lied to with at least some of that solution
Specifically, saying ED is maf (and the only one at that) seems super strange (we've determined that there's no mechanical reason ED needs to be maf, since JK RB's, and Uzay seems more likely to be maf than ED to me)
Edit: forgot jay was the redcheck yeah this tells me ED is 100% notmaf and suddenly crimson looking kind of not evil wowee

"Jay trying to win the game isn't a good look" what.
ngl this post is just utter nonsense

You just ignored my entire solving to get to the point where I believe ED is mafia, good job
Imagine making Consort do nightkills and not block the Doc with >1 mafia.

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:38 am

TheWabbit wrote:do i really have to

yes, it's genius

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:40 am

the main issue is that you're redchecked by jackson and you tolerate your lynch, even so far as acknowledging it as inevitable without casting uncertainty over jackson's credibility

if you're town this is a major issue
if you're mafia then there's no reason to follow your read except for possibly the NK but that has to be validated first

if your entire take is focused more onto your list rather than the comment that i'm wary of then there's really no reason for me to check it out
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby EvilDeanius0 » Sat May 23, 2020 10:40 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:Mafia: EvilD
NK: Crimson
NE/whatever else fits here: Jackson

That's my solve.

As long as people follow my reads then I don't care if you sheep Jackson

Yes the jailkeeper jailed a fellow mafia
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby theyellowgreninja » Sat May 23, 2020 10:45 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:Cheers did you claim you couldn't visit yesterday?

If so I think EvilD is last Mafia, his results are underwhelming and if we are going off the assumption that Consort is only mafia left wacky assumption, considering being jailed is an RB; why exactly is EvilD a good RB target That I don't know, but the RB being a jail can kind of make sense in some way, maybe Zorua thought ED was NE and wanted the let them in on the mafia, bonus numbers, etc..
Consort thought process Also conveniently doubles as a readlist:
- Wabbit - doc Confirmed
- Cheers - attacked likely by Mafia especially if Crimson is WW Bookie I buy that
- Evan - IC No kidding
- 2304 - I am hesitant on that because I think their play yesterday matches up with their claim, also Zorua early wagoning it without putting much input likely is not a buss. Sounds reasonable
- Greninja - I still like the fact their sole SR D1 was Elusive That's reasoning from 3 days ago but like aight
- Uzay - Proven Lyra So could be maf, since lyra is 50/50 on maf/town
- Jackson - Can be Mafia but that's pretty suicidal so I'm assuming Exe/Warlock type role ummm
- Crimson - probs NK mmm I mean it's possible the more you say it the less I believe it
- Sparking - Homie looking mighty sus, solving wrong, trying to get us to lynch ED when I don't buy any of the logic, also has a straight up red check

Crimson is 3p (is it too late into the game to ask wtf 3p even means) aka WW Bookie, despite EvilD saying they didn't visit. Crimson can't be tracked as that role so there's that. Also explains the missing nightkill Didn't we already kind of cover that in "Evan is bulletproof but won't be told when he's attacked?".

So like why are you so completely sure that ED is maf?


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NFM41 - Consigliere lived - Mafia Win
SFM28 - Citizen lived - Mafia/Neutral Win
NFM44 - Serial Killer died N1 - Mafia win
VFM22 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Serial Killer win
SFM39 - Braum lived - Demacia (Town) win
GFM2.43 - Common Myeloid Progenitor Colony (Ret) lived - Neoplasm (NK) win
SFM56 - Ninja Killed by Veteran N3 - Mafia win
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby theyellowgreninja » Sat May 23, 2020 10:47 am

SparkingJayYT wrote:
theyellowgreninja wrote:gonna be real Jay going super hard and solving isn't a great look
the tone is so off and different from the rest of the game
I definitely feel like we're being lied to with at least some of that solution
Specifically, saying ED is maf (and the only one at that) seems super strange (we've determined that there's no mechanical reason ED needs to be maf, since JK RB's, and Uzay seems more likely to be maf than ED to me)
Edit: forgot jay was the redcheck yeah this tells me ED is 100% notmaf and suddenly crimson looking kind of not evil wowee

"Jay trying to win the game isn't a good look" what.
ngl this post is just utter nonsense

You just ignored my entire solving to get to the point where I believe ED is mafia, good job
Imagine making Consort do nightkills and not block the Doc with >1 mafia.

The reason I don't buy the solve and why it looks bad is because it's a trash solve that makes no sense (because ED is a trash maf candidate, we all know that Jackson is NE, and your NK thing is on pretty shaky ground)
WTF makes you think there's still a consort?


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4 - 6 Record Spoiler: NFM40 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Witch Win
NFM41 - Consigliere lived - Mafia Win
SFM28 - Citizen lived - Mafia/Neutral Win
NFM44 - Serial Killer died N1 - Mafia win
VFM22 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Serial Killer win
SFM39 - Braum lived - Demacia (Town) win
GFM2.43 - Common Myeloid Progenitor Colony (Ret) lived - Neoplasm (NK) win
SFM56 - Ninja Killed by Veteran N3 - Mafia win
VFM48 - Citizen lynched D6 - Mafia Win
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:48 am

how are we still undecided about uzay's alignment

i mean not to force things because i'm not doing things myself but you'd expect a 50/50 to resolve earlier than this
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby theyellowgreninja » Sat May 23, 2020 10:53 am

TheWabbit wrote:how are we still undecided about uzay's alignment

i mean not to force things because i'm not doing things myself but you'd expect a 50/50 to resolve earlier than this

kind of same but there's no real way for Uzay to prove themself one way or the other because of the secrecy of the RB
and Uzay doesn't provide too too much content to analyse. Maybe if I get super bored today I can look into that


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4 - 6 Record Spoiler: NFM40 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Witch Win
NFM41 - Consigliere lived - Mafia Win
SFM28 - Citizen lived - Mafia/Neutral Win
NFM44 - Serial Killer died N1 - Mafia win
VFM22 - Citizen died N3 - Mafia/Serial Killer win
SFM39 - Braum lived - Demacia (Town) win
GFM2.43 - Common Myeloid Progenitor Colony (Ret) lived - Neoplasm (NK) win
SFM56 - Ninja Killed by Veteran N3 - Mafia win
VFM48 - Citizen lynched D6 - Mafia Win
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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:54 am

TheWabbit wrote:the main issue is that you're redchecked by jackson and you tolerate your lynch, even so far as acknowledging it as inevitable without casting uncertainty over jackson's credibility

if you're town this is a major issue
if you're mafia then there's no reason to follow your read except for possibly the NK but that has to be validated first

if your entire take is focused more onto your list rather than the comment that i'm wary of then there's really no reason for me to check it out

Jackson's sole reason for checking me is that I could have been bussing, I'm waiting for them to fully claim but it is demoralising when the general consensus is against you.

what comment?

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:54 am

theyellowgreninja wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
theyellowgreninja wrote:gonna be real Jay going super hard and solving isn't a great look
the tone is so off and different from the rest of the game
I definitely feel like we're being lied to with at least some of that solution
Specifically, saying ED is maf (and the only one at that) seems super strange (we've determined that there's no mechanical reason ED needs to be maf, since JK RB's, and Uzay seems more likely to be maf than ED to me)
Edit: forgot jay was the redcheck yeah this tells me ED is 100% notmaf and suddenly crimson looking kind of not evil wowee

"Jay trying to win the game isn't a good look" what.
ngl this post is just utter nonsense

You just ignored my entire solving to get to the point where I believe ED is mafia, good job
Imagine making Consort do nightkills and not block the Doc with >1 mafia.

The reason I don't buy the solve and why it looks bad is because it's a trash solve that makes no sense (because ED is a trash maf candidate, we all know that Jackson is NE, and your NK thing is on pretty shaky ground)
WTF makes you think there's still a consort?

Maybe because Wabbit was RBd/Witched N1, jfc

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby SparkingJay » Sat May 23, 2020 10:57 am

EvilDeanius0 wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:Mafia: EvilD
NK: Crimson
NE/whatever else fits here: Jackson

That's my solve.

As long as people follow my reads then I don't care if you sheep Jackson

Yes the jailkeeper jailed a fellow mafia

You claimed RB'd how exactly do you know it was the JK and not the Consort on Wabbit N1.

also crazy take, people can lie.

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Re: SFM72 | GIM Mick | Day 4

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 23, 2020 10:57 am

theyellowgreninja wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:how are we still undecided about uzay's alignment

i mean not to force things because i'm not doing things myself but you'd expect a 50/50 to resolve earlier than this

kind of same but there's no real way for Uzay to prove themself one way or the other because of the secrecy of the RB
and Uzay doesn't provide too too much content to analyse. Maybe if I get super bored today I can look into that

remind me why jackson didn't bother checking an inactive slot that's 50/50 v/w
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