SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia-Game Over-Christmas Saved?

[MichaelgRook]

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

how so?

it may partially be because they all but disappeared from the game since we voted them yesterday

[MichaelgRook]

I'll be around for eod btw

btw we actually have under 3 hours left fyi

both times michael states he's familiar with EoD coming and both times he's NOT there and ends up leaving his vote not on the top wagon

/vote michael chem's right this is scum lads

I too enjoy accusing people as scum based on their activity
Chances are maybe he's busy irl or forgot

Stop making excuses for him and explain what makes you think he's town if you disagree with the vote. You're doing Michael no favors by saying that -maybe- he's busy irl or forgot. OR, if you don't agree with the argument they're making on Michael, show that the argument is bad and is bullshit.

I did
I literally implied that the argument is NAI

As for my stance on michael i cant rmb anything noteworthy he did so he can go into the meh category

No. What you did was minimize Dota's argument and tried to suggest it was based on activity. The actual argument Dota made was that 1.) Michael saying he's aware EoD is coming, is there for a while, then suddenly disappears when it gets close to ending, and 2.) Michael leaving his vote not on one of the top wagons. Neither of these suggest a lack of activity on Michael's part.

activity is NAI and the fact you would try to argue in spite of that is sad

also I don't remember what the other top wagon was but I was against 0ver lynch

[AcidicBreeze]

how long till eod?

[Eragon1329]

Day 3 ends in about 27 hours from now

[AcidicBreeze]

Thanks

[LOLingHyena]

I'll be around for eod btw

btw we actually have under 3 hours left fyi

both times michael states he's familiar with EoD coming and both times he's NOT there and ends up leaving his vote not on the top wagon

/vote michael chem's right this is scum lads

I too enjoy accusing people as scum based on their activity
Chances are maybe he's busy irl or forgot

Stop making excuses for him and explain what makes you think he's town if you disagree with the vote. You're doing Michael no favors by saying that -maybe- he's busy irl or forgot. OR, if you don't agree with the argument they're making on Michael, show that the argument is bad and is bullshit.

I did
I literally implied that the argument is NAI

As for my stance on michael i cant rmb anything noteworthy he did so he can go into the meh category

No. What you did was minimize Dota's argument and tried to suggest it was based on activity. The actual argument Dota made was that 1.) Michael saying he's aware EoD is coming, is there for a while, then suddenly disappears when it gets close to ending, and 2.) Michael leaving his vote not on one of the top wagons. Neither of these suggest a lack of activity on Michael's part.

activity is NAI and the fact you would try to argue in spite of that is sad

also I don't remember what the other top wagon was but I was against 0ver lynch

Activity is, indeed, NAI, but again, this is NOT about activity. Stop trying to frame it as such. And while you're at it, answer the other points I made against you earlier.

[LOLingHyena]

prodge-ish

hi hyena what should I read rn

I'll have an answer after I eat dinner...

... which I am leaving now to do. See you all in a bit!

Read ET, and tell me what you think of him.

[MichaelgRook]

null is boring

it's d3 start putting people in scum or townreads

if you get rid of your nulls then you have a bunch of really weak town and/or scum reads that you really can't explain

Weak town and scum reads are still better than null reads. And kind of town or scum read indicates a decision you've made on someone, where as a null read is a lack of one, especially when there's no explanation why someone's null, too. It's objectively town to be making decisions on someone, because it pushes the game forward.

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

Okay. Why? Coincidentally, a vote count was posted shortly after you made this post (at 2:00pmEST), and the three leading wagons were you with three votes and Acidic+AlwaysNever with two votes. You voting Acidic at that point would've tied them up with your wagon. Why shouldn't I think right now that you don't want to scumread Acidic anymore because it means you'll actually have to vote for them and potentially be on their wagon in order to lynch them? Why shouldn't I think they are a townclear for you?

thats a fair point about null reads

I don't see how the timing of a votecount after my post matters, but I'm seeing acidic as less of scum and more of just a prodger, but it also could just have something to do with my wim drop, I'm not entirely sure, literally as I'm typing this I'm starting to see that a prodge could be a play scum!acidic uses to lose attention and subsequently pressure so it could just be a lack of overall interest affecting my reads

[LOLingHyena]

Updated list:

Hyena -- It's me mo'fos.

--- Top two townreads

Dota -- I did start to have some doubt at EoD2, mostly because I was aggravated that Jackson got away with not being on a main wagon again, but I'm feeling good again about Dota. My read on him still stands.

SparkingJay -- My read on him still stands, and it doesn't change after reading his interactions with ET. I don't think he was unreasonable at all in his case against ET. He brought up points, then showed evidence when ET mentioned he couldn't metaread him.

--- Top 6

Wabbit -- Wabbit coasting at the moment, but I'm okay with it because even though he's coasting right now, he's still commenting on stuff and adding thoughts to the thread. I do expect him to come back though and resume playing at the level he was before he started coasting. Otherwise, I'm probably going to bump him down my list.

Poly -- So, I've been thinking about how to explain my read on Poly, and even though it's still based on a lot of assumptions, I feel like I've found the words to explain it. Basically, I know that -I- am town, and I'm viewing Poly as a player with a similar playstyle as me right now. It feels like we have the same kind of thoughts and reactions to things happening in the game. For this reason, I -want- to call him town for it. In my experience, if someone who has a similar playstyle as me continues having the same kind of thoughts and ideas as me, it usually means they're town, too.

AlwaysNever -- Although I have him lower than Wabbit and Poly, I feel like Always has offered SparkingJay-levels of insight when he has posted, which is why I was really surprised that Multi still consider him less active than Jackson. It's also why I'm still keeping an eye on ET, even if I'm not completely seeing him as scum yet.

Chemist -- Chemist has dipped, and not just in my list. With that said, during his short bursts of activity, I like what he has posted. Specifically, I liked the manner in which he defended Multi and HTG from Dota, as well as his push on Michael.

Uzay -- Uzay is potentially one of Debil's townclears. I'm aggravated that he's trying to say that we shouldn't bother speculating about townclears or speculating who we could be townclears for. With that said, I'm still in the same headspace as him with regard to Jackson, and I haven't taken Jackson out of consideration for lynching today.

Multi -- Multi is also potentially one of Debil's townclears. He's starting to aggravate me, too. He relented that Always has started becoming more active recently, but I didn't see him bring Jackson back into contention for a lynch in spite of taking him out of contention in the first place for being "active". I think he's just wrong here. Although I'm not entirely convinced that Acidic is scum, I don't think Multi's push on them has been unreasonable, particularly the point about them having sheeping/opportunistic votes.

--- Bottom 6

HTG
ET
Acidic
Google
Michael
Jackson

[LOLingHyena]

null is boring

it's d3 start putting people in scum or townreads

if you get rid of your nulls then you have a bunch of really weak town and/or scum reads that you really can't explain

Weak town and scum reads are still better than null reads. And kind of town or scum read indicates a decision you've made on someone, where as a null read is a lack of one, especially when there's no explanation why someone's null, too. It's objectively town to be making decisions on someone, because it pushes the game forward.

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

Okay. Why? Coincidentally, a vote count was posted shortly after you made this post (at 2:00pmEST), and the three leading wagons were you with three votes and Acidic+AlwaysNever with two votes. You voting Acidic at that point would've tied them up with your wagon. Why shouldn't I think right now that you don't want to scumread Acidic anymore because it means you'll actually have to vote for them and potentially be on their wagon in order to lynch them? Why shouldn't I think they are a townclear for you?

thats a fair point about null reads

I don't see how the timing of a votecount after my post matters, but I'm seeing acidic as less of scum and more of just a prodger, but it also could just have something to do with my wim drop, I'm not entirely sure, literally as I'm typing this I'm starting to see that a prodge could be a play scum!acidic uses to lose attention and subsequently pressure so it could just be a lack of overall interest affecting my reads

Alright, alright. This is better. Just out of curiosity, what's causing your WIM drop? It's weird that so many people's WIM is down. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[heytheregirl17]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

[polypies73]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

the whole game you've pushed dota
and basically done nothing else.

That's the main reason.
Also the vibes form your posts seem forced and like unbelievable to come from a townei mindset

[TheWabbit]

i suddenly had the urge to turn into a potted plant

[MichaelgRook]

@Hyena for myself, I'd say work mixed with other life issues and just a higher interest in playing my switch

for anyone else I couldn't say

[UzayAltay]

uzay or google

choose your fighter lynch target

You First
But I can confirm that If You Dont explain that I Will happily add You to my scumpool
And If I am not convinced I can still add , regardless

behavior like this makes you scum
your poly vote feels opportunistic as fuck and i don't like it

/vote UzayAltay

Wabbit has been added to your scumpool

The Worst part is I cant even defend myself Because If I defense I should explain my thought process
That is illegal

[UzayAltay]

Dota I suspect your sanity If You want townies to find Who has A greenpeek on them

Why do you think it's unreasonable?

I assume You think I am Debil's clear when Multi Dont , or thinking Debil's interaction with us is inconclusive , right ? I am remembering You were doubting Hyena's tinfoil ( Which You should , Because as base Logic I am unsure How much it holds )

It's speculation. I'm not about to deny that. I think it's good speculation though.

The First problem is We Dont know How scum greenpeeks are splitted . It is possible All are on Same two person , it is possible none of them overlaps .
Second problem is If scum is smart , they wont make any specialization to their greenpeeks . I already Said How can We find The difference between town and scum , their win-conditions are different .
Third problem is even If scum make A bad , and made A plan about their peeks , it is still not much possible to find accurately , bc of We have no idea How Will scum act to their townpeaks. Even We assume some things , it is possible that scum to act others Same way , too .

First point: Take a moment and actually think about what you're saying when you suggest that all scum could have the same two townclears. If this were the case, do you think those two people would be alive right now? There's probably around six scum in this game. Once one or two of those people start pushing a townclear, what incentive do the other scum have to not push them, too? Furthermore, they still would all have two townclears, including Debil, even if they are all the same. That's enough reason to think about who Debil's townclears could be.

Second point: This doesn't take into account people's individual playstyles at all. You're talking as if everyone would do the same thing with their scumclears, in this case, not really letting their townclears affect who they push. I want you to specifically point to people who you think would play this way as scum with their townpeeks, because I could probably point to half the people here and not only tell you that they wouldn't, but also tell you what they'd do with their townclears if they were scum, probably with about 80% accuracy. I could provide evidence based from other games. So, who do you think is capable of playing how you're suggesting?

Look
Looking If Debil ( flipped scum ) may have You , or sb else as green peek is Completely Okay . My problem is searching in alive .
About First point , I mean , it is Completely possible some townies Dont have any clear . That was my point .
Second point , I mentioned The thing You Said in third point . Scums play-Style is different . If You can say Who plays How with 80% accuracy Than It is Okay to Do that , but I am not trusting myself or somebody on that .

[UzayAltay]

thank you uzay for showing that you are scum with me as your townpeek.

I think it's time for me to read ISO's, since trying to play off associations is kind of bad.

micheal not defending themself makes me question what is happening there.

/shrug
I am curious If You had A reason except OMGUS

[UzayAltay]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

the whole game you've pushed dota
and basically done nothing else.

That's the main reason.
Also the vibes form your posts seem forced and like unbelievable to come from a townei mindset

That is The main reason that You Stalled to say for A loong time , and before finding A fake reason Like that You try to defend with " Nulls are boring , I tried to locate HTG into scum or town pool "

[polypies73]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

the whole game you've pushed dota
and basically done nothing else.

That's the main reason.
Also the vibes form your posts seem forced and like unbelievable to come from a townei mindset

That is The main reason that You Stalled to say for A loong time , and before finding A fake reason Like that You try to defend with " Nulls are boring , I tried to locate HTG into scum or town pool "

How can i explain to uzay that I'm allowed to make mistakes. Yes I shouldn't ahve put htg as scum, I should've used a null-scum slot, boo hoo. Reading their ISO, I gained a better judgement for my read and located them as scum.

and you haven't said how my reason is fake, cause it isn't

[UzayAltay]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

the whole game you've pushed dota
and basically done nothing else.

That's the main reason.
Also the vibes form your posts seem forced and like unbelievable to come from a townei mindset

That is The main reason that You Stalled to say for A loong time , and before finding A fake reason Like that You try to defend with " Nulls are boring , I tried to locate HTG into scum or town pool "

How can i explain to uzay that I'm allowed to make mistakes. Yes I shouldn't ahve put htg as scum, I should've used a null-scum slot, boo hoo. Reading their ISO, I gained a better judgement for my read and located them as scum.

and you haven't said how my reason is fake, cause it isn't

Because of You cannot give reason for A long time ?
First , You dodged HTG's question with a joke .
Second , when I asked The Same , You Said something Like " I didnt want to put them into Null , it is Day 3 I should put Everyone in A group " , despite You Having Null tier . You again avoided Giving A reason .
When I pushed for Real reason again , You give A weak reason , and The reason was What You find Scummy , with no Explanation .
Why You Stalled that much to give an explanation ? Why You First tried to defend You with " I didnt wanted to Pull them into Null " ? Is there an explanation for town!you doing These ? If Yes , I am Okay to listen but from You starting pushing me instead explaining yourself , I think You have no explanation.

[UzayAltay]

Also mistake is only mistake when it is done First time .
You dodged twice , not once , Dont come to me with "It was A mistake . "

[AlwaysNever]

acidic posted without replying to me why

[AlwaysNever]

G O D D A M N

My phone broke opening that spoiler

It took like 7 second for me to open the spoiler 0-o

it took me longer lol i almost think my google chrome on my phone is not responding for a sec

[AcidicBreeze]

acidic posted without replying to me why

Probably because i didnt even get to the post.

[polypies73]

Also mistake is only mistake when it is done First time .
You dodged twice , not once , Dont come to me with "It was A mistake . "

you do realise i was joking about the null thing.
Feels liek your nitpicking at me cause you don't understand when i'm sreiosu or not