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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:14 pm

Flake wrote:that's why i said "@ bolded"

why do you think the only people FML can't be wolf with Eqsy


What does '@ bolded' mean? Maybe not knowing what that meant confused me from what you meant
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:16 pm

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Xlranet wrote:ok can we list the situations where FML isnt in a scumteam

I've got two possible scumteams without FML (as you asked) and Sparking (because I believe them to be town), these are by no means what I believe to be the case but they're the only possibilities that I can think of outside of FML/{Flake or Xlranet}.

Flake/Eqsy - Eqsy namedropped Flake by accident in the PC at one point by accident when talking about phone, Eqsy also uses Flakes vill/wolf terminology which might mean they're communicating.
Xlranet/Flake - Could be acting as an SvS to bus each other and then mislynch.

I use villager/wolf terminology too. I think Eqsy just picked it up from the thread most likely.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:18 pm

Eqsy in PC completely forgot that FML was alive by the way, so that leans me away from Eqsy/FML

@Flake OH, yeah but my reasoning is ^. Night :)
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:24 pm

I probably need to re-evaluate a little even after this.

Eqsy should be a villager since that's the only explanation the third party received that hidden passive; if Eqsy is a villager. Sparking could have theoretically used a roleblock for cover night one, but I find wolves rarely do this proactively (as in it was pre-meditated). It's seemingly impossible a dead player drew a roleblock too unless the roleblocker is a third party. If I'm wrong on either then the game is kind of screwed, to be honest.

Xlranet by himself I think has the most convincing scum arguments, since I've thought he made opportunistic pushes earlier on and Xlranet as a wolf explains the absence of a roleblock claim the night with no kills. I don't really know if Xlranet has any living buddies though. The most fitting would be Flake/Xlranet but they're bussing hardcore. Jackson/Xlranet missed a very vital opportunity to confirm Xlranet's visit with Jackson's fakeclaim and don't think that exists.

I think it's either Flake/Xlranet and they're pulling off a pretty selling bus or it's Flake/Jackson which is pretty straightforward, the scumteam is concise, they have a clear win condition path that they're pushing today, but I don't really scum read either on an individual basis so that's kind of problematic. If I were to lean one team mentioned in this paragraph, it'd actually be the latter, just because I think Flake/Xlranet is much less realistic associative wise even considering Xlranet has the most scum equity. It was very convenient for a Flake/Xlranet team that Ed fakeclaimed vengeful, had this not happened both would have bussed themselves into very unideal situations.

It could be possible Xlranet is a lone wolf as well, but if he is then we have one more safe mislynch.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:26 pm

Flake wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:
Flake wrote:
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JacksonVirgo wrote:
Flake wrote:@htg

what happens in the case where town and wolves repeatedly choose to no lynch / no kill respectively

Why the heck would maf not kill? They'd roleblock Xlranet and pop Sparking

The idea is statistically villagers win more often in LyLo than MyLo. It never punishes (barring unusual mechanics) and rewards with additional time to gather information or arriving at better conclusions through discussion.

In SFM it may not true sometimes. Let's suppose there are two wolves with two kill power the upcoming night. In this case, we would lose by sleeping (no lynching). Nevertheless, it's the correct play under normal circumstances.

are you always this tryhard

It's not even tryhard though it's the correct play here.

i mean your tone is tryhard

Yes. ^_^
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:27 pm

Ugh do I really have to towncase myself
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:28 pm

I will have to check this, if the only roleblock that happened after the last kill was with Xlranet it's possible they're a lone wolf.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:29 pm

I am saying wolf because it sounds better than lone mafia or lone scum lol
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:30 pm

In that case, Xlranet must have called my bluff like Sparking did and acted like he visited before I actually claimed it was bs
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:31 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:I will have to check this, if the only roleblock that happened after the last kill was with Xlranet it's possible they're a lone wolf.

I think it went like this right?

D6: OnlyShot lynched (last mafia).
N6: No roleblock claims.
D7: EvilDeanius0 lynch.
N7: Xlranet roleblocked.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:32 pm

FMLSheWas12 wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:I will have to check this, if the only roleblock that happened after the last kill was with Xlranet it's possible they're a lone wolf.

I think it went like this right?

D6: OnlyShot lynched (last mafia).
N6: No roleblock claims.
D7: EvilDeanius0 lynch.
N7: Xlranet roleblocked.

And we're assuming Mafia hit you N6 yes?
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:33 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:I will have to check this, if the only roleblock that happened after the last kill was with Xlranet it's possible they're a lone wolf.

I think it went like this right?

D6: OnlyShot lynched (last mafia).
N6: No roleblock claims.
D7: EvilDeanius0 lynch.
N7: Xlranet roleblocked.

And we're assuming Mafia hit you N6 yes?

Yes.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:34 pm

I think we only need to discuss Xlranet as a lone wolf in the F3/4 though.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:34 pm

I'll be able to think more when I get home, currently on the bus with blazing Australia heat and no air conditioning so my brain is working as efficiently as I want it to.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:37 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:I am saying wolf because it sounds better than lone mafia or lone scum lol

"I am saying wolf because it is the superior terminology."

I fixed it for you.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:41 pm

FMLSheWas12 wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:I am saying wolf because it sounds better than lone mafia or lone scum lol

"I am saying wolf because it is the superior terminology."

I fixed it for you.

Lmao I find the opposite to be the case but I never played werewolf or equivalent
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:50 pm

If there is only one mafia, they'd lose because of Eqsy and I being immune. But I am not crossing the possibility of two mafia out just yet
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:38 am

Xlranet wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:If there is only one mafia, they'd lose because of Eqsy and I being immune. But I am not crossing the possibility of two mafia out just yet

the only scenario where there is one mafia is if i am solo mafia, consort and the MK are still alive

Yeah, there is a possibility you're a solo mafia so I was just gathering all possibilities. And if you think from my pov, it's plausible is it not?

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Xlranet wrote:can the mafia just stop bussing and push me lmao

you win if im lynched so reveal yourselves

all i know is they are tryharding and now its making my life very difficult

FML is still a candidate for me, as their point on me and flake being SvS could be a set up for a mislynch on me then a final one on jackson/eqsy

its very sad because mafia win if they lynch me but if the scumteam is FML/Flake theyre basically screwed with the masonry, so this is a pinnacle moment tbh

So you're saying they would mislynch you and then try and lynch Eqsy or myself?
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:01 am

THEY ARE SELF ANALYSING, THEY ARE SCUM!
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:01 am

Lmao but for real, give me a second to respond
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:07 am

Xlranet wrote:
Xlranet wrote:aaaa in the neighbourhood i dont know who would be the scum in there, they both trust each other, and the fact jackson trusts eqsy that much with them being a noobtown (sorry eqsy) gives me reasoning to believe that they are both town, because eqsy could be town due to jackson not seeing any scumslips with eqsy (he IS looking, due to the comment about the new terminology usage) and then jackson still trusts eqsy and isnt throwing lots of shade on them right now. (you could argue that jackson is waiting for later to do that and that is true, but im more leaning to them being town due to the fake LO passive)

inb4 Xlranet/{one of the neighbourhood} scumteam
but that just makes my PoE FML/Flake as if that was a surprise

Assuming that is sarcasm?

Xlranet wrote:im struggling to think of how i can convince you i am town so here

1) yesterday, apparently i looked townie 0-0 well sparking pointed it out but i didnt understand it too much
2) why would wabbit bus all of their other teammates but be bias with me due to sharing reads and call me a townlean. if wabbit was distancing themselves with the other mafia idk why he wouldnt do it with me
3) me calling out only and over instead of just over wouldve been completely pointless as mafia, even now i cant really say that gives me towniepoints directly but i can say that it would be a dumb thing to do as mafia if a wagon actually formed on only instead. you could just say attempted distancing but eh i felt like i raised a good point with only being pushed aside for over for no direct reason
4) i wasnt the forefront of the flake push and i feel like as mafia i wouldve stuck to it looking scummy instead of dipping out, there were so many things i had that were making flake look bad and the only reason i was put off was him wanting to hardclaim. in a scenario where flake is town and they were lynched d1, i would have had sufficient evidence to prove i wasnt just pushing for mafia
5) my bg claim lmao, wont go on about the reasonings ive repeated multiple times but forcing to keep TP alive, making myself sus and coming out of the sea of cit claims completely contradicts the fact that i couldve claimed to make town scared of mislynching. i just wanted to sneak that bg kill in the end game and i wouldve done that if i had prepared cit flavour, my character wouldve probably been outed as an unlikely cit character
6) lots of selfmeta reasons; i really dont think id be this openly self analytical, due to that being a scummy thing in itself. but i feel like its been helping me there

watch this be used against me due to overly self analysing lmao, i just know that i am the lynch that can make mafia insta win today


1. To be honest, you seem more townie to me than another person so there's also that.
2. I mean anything could happen with Wabbit lol, they were aggressive to me as well so that wasn't exactly 100% bussing.
3. I guess so
4. That is a good point
5. Honestly, that BG claim swap is the one thing that stopped me from full scumreading you. A mafia would have just stuck to their cit claim or just claimed BG right up, it was the opposite of what flake tried to do. Flake tried to claim a PR to attract a hit and you claimed a Cit to avoid one. So it doesn't really mean that much?
6. I mean yeah I guess so
7. Xlranet is scum, they didn't have 7 points and 7 is my lucky number so :p
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby SparkingJay » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:17 am

JacksonVirgo wrote:@Sparking. Could you please explain how your passive worked again? Apologies, I am just trying to sort out a brain dump of information rn

Example:
If someone was a Vigilante, instead of them being able to kill one person that night I give them an extra bullet to shoot another.
If someone was a Doctor, instead of them healing one person that night I give them an extra heal target etc.

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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby SparkingJay » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:22 am

JacksonVirgo wrote:
Xlranet wrote:ok can we list the situations where FML isnt in a scumteam

I've got two possible scumteams without FML (as you asked) and Sparking (because I believe them to be town), these are by no means what I believe to be the case but they're the only possibilities that I can think of outside of FML/{Flake or Xlranet}.

Flake/Eqsy - Eqsy namedropped Flake by accident in the PC at one point by accident when talking about phone, Eqsy also uses Flakes vill/wolf terminology which might mean they're communicating.
Xlranet/Flake - Could be acting as an SvS to bus each other and then mislynch.

Xlranet/Flake can’t be a scumteam as neither have potential to be the Consort. Flake being redirected N2 and Chemist still rbed. Xlranet claiming to be BG on Phone with your fake LO claim.

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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby SparkingJay » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:30 am

Xlranet wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:
Xlranet wrote:ok can we list the situations where FML isnt in a scumteam

I've got two possible scumteams without FML (as you asked) and Sparking (because I believe them to be town), these are by no means what I believe to be the case but they're the only possibilities that I can think of outside of FML/{Flake or Xlranet}.

Flake/Eqsy - Eqsy namedropped Flake by accident in the PC at one point by accident when talking about phone, Eqsy also uses Flakes vill/wolf terminology which might mean they're communicating.
Xlranet/Flake - Could be acting as an SvS to bus each other and then mislynch.

Xlranet/Flake can’t be a scumteam as neither have potential to be the Consort. Flake being redirected N2 and Chemist still rbed. Xlranet claiming to be BG on Phone with your fake LO claim.

ive just been trying to think of reasons why this is just a nono but i dont understand this
witch can just redirect into chemist ??

And then why would Mafia roleblock Chemist the following night? Chances are it is a pattern.

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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby SparkingJay » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:45 am

Process of elimination means that either FML or Eqsy is Consort. And you already know who I think is most likely

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