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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:06 pm

Flake wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:Also @Flake, is there any reason why we shouldn't push you or FML right now? I'd like to hear it

by a similar sentiment

what makes you think you should suddenly be invulnerable to pushes

because as far as i can see you have little going for you

So are you wanting to push me?
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby EqsyLootz » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:09 pm

Lol i use villager and wolf in some contexts but normally and i prefer using Town and Scum/Mafia. Idk Villager and wolf is a waste of time typing haha ;)
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby SparkingJay » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm

Thoughts of Jackson’s LO claim:
What does Mafia gain from faking LO on Phone? The massive change in play style by Mafia from killing town and rbing Phone to no kills and no roleblocks must have been influenced by something and that is from Jackson’s claim. Xlranet was clearly using the idea of an LO to confirm himself as BG hence why Consort didn’t roleblock since roleblocking Jackson makes Xlranet more suspicious, roleblocking Phone meant they’d get caught by Jackson and roleblocking anyone else was useless as we aren’t PRs.

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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:46 pm

I've finished my Accounting exam, woo!
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby heytheregirl17 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:47 pm

Game will end in a draw after 3 cycles of nolynching and if the mafia does not kill successfully.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:53 pm

@Sparking. Could you please explain how your passive worked again? Apologies, I am just trying to sort out a brain dump of information rn
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:59 pm

Okay, so as you know currently my scumlist consists of FML and Flake but I will throw that aside for this post as I will try to look at things objectively and without bias.

Sparking is likely Town, considering the way they act and their passive.
Eqsy seems townish, but I believe they've hammered the last few lynches including the witch, maf and now town so that might be a play to get town-cred in order to mislynch today and win as scum.
Xlranet from my pov seems like they have pure intentions, nothing really except that.
Flake has contributed next to nothing from what I see, except throwing shade onto others.
FML claims to have a passive that stopped a maf kill, even though they weren't even the ideal mafia kill at the time. It could either be that mafia wanted to kill one of their mislynch material or they didn't kill at all to confirm FMLs claim.


From my current views it's likely FML/Flake, if I am still biased let me know.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:22 pm

Flake wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:Okay, so as you know currently my scumlist consists of FML and Flake but I will throw that aside for this post as I will try to look at things objectively and without bias.

Sparking is likely Town, considering the way they act and their passive.
Eqsy seems townish, but I believe they've hammered the last few lynches including the witch, maf and now town so that might be a play to get town-cred in order to mislynch today and win as scum.
Xlranet from my pov seems like they have pure intentions, nothing really except that.
Flake has contributed next to nothing from what I see, except throwing shade onto others.
FML claims to have a passive that stopped a maf kill, even though they weren't even the ideal mafia kill at the time. It could either be that mafia wanted to kill one of their mislynch material or they didn't kill at all to confirm FMLs claim.


From my current views it's likely FML/Flake, if I am still biased let me know.

>contributed nothing except throwing shade onto others

imagine contradicting yourself and being wrong

definitely not biased at all, note the sarcasm

So you're saying I am still biased? You didn't answer Xlranet's question and I don't remember you contributing much at all to the game
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:21 pm

I see your points now, what would your current scum team be right now? FML/Xlra like you said earlier?
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:44 pm

I personally believe that FML is the safer lynch regardless but I am not going to vote on that until I get everybody's thoughts and what they believe etc.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:49 pm

But if they're telling the truth regarding their passive, that's an oof
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:37 pm

Ed being a villager fakeclaiming is kind of triggering even though I half expected it. :\
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:42 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:
Flake wrote:@htg

what happens in the case where town and wolves repeatedly choose to no lynch / no kill respectively

Why the heck would maf not kill? They'd roleblock Xlranet and pop Sparking

The idea is statistically villagers win more often in LyLo than MyLo. It never punishes (barring unusual mechanics) and rewards with additional time to gather information or arriving at better conclusions through discussion.

In SFM it may not true sometimes. Let's suppose there are two wolves with two kill power the upcoming night. In this case, we would lose by sleeping (no lynching). Nevertheless, it's the correct play under normal circumstances.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:58 pm

Xlranet wrote:ok can we list the situations where FML isnt in a scumteam

I've got two possible scumteams without FML (as you asked) and Sparking (because I believe them to be town), these are by no means what I believe to be the case but they're the only possibilities that I can think of outside of FML/{Flake or Xlranet}.

Flake/Eqsy - Eqsy namedropped Flake by accident in the PC at one point by accident when talking about phone, Eqsy also uses Flakes vill/wolf terminology which might mean they're communicating.
Xlranet/Flake - Could be acting as an SvS to bus each other and then mislynch.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:01 pm

FMLSheWas12 wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:
Flake wrote:@htg

what happens in the case where town and wolves repeatedly choose to no lynch / no kill respectively

Why the heck would maf not kill? They'd roleblock Xlranet and pop Sparking

The idea is statistically villagers win more often in LyLo than MyLo. It never punishes (barring unusual mechanics) and rewards with additional time to gather information or arriving at better conclusions through discussion.

In SFM it may not true sometimes. Let's suppose there are two wolves with two kill power the upcoming night. In this case, we would lose by sleeping (no lynching). Nevertheless, it's the correct play under normal circumstances.

Ah didn't know that, but if they're just going to kill Sparking that gives no real info just time. Unless someone has a hidden LO passive like EvilD.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:02 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:
Flake wrote:@htg

what happens in the case where town and wolves repeatedly choose to no lynch / no kill respectively

Why the heck would maf not kill? They'd roleblock Xlranet and pop Sparking

The idea is statistically villagers win more often in LyLo than MyLo. It never punishes (barring unusual mechanics) and rewards with additional time to gather information or arriving at better conclusions through discussion.

In SFM it may not true sometimes. Let's suppose there are two wolves with two kill power the upcoming night. In this case, we would lose by sleeping (no lynching). Nevertheless, it's the correct play under normal circumstances.

Ah didn't know that, but if they're just going to kill Sparking that gives no real info just time. Unless someone has a hidden LO passive like EvilD.

Information is very subjective in this case. If you review something and discover something new this is new information. It can matter more than you think.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:03 pm

@FML why aren't you defending yourself by the way?
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:07 pm

Flake wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:@ bolded, why not FML/Eqsy

also why not Eqsy/Xlra


for point 1
Xlranet wrote:ok can we list the situations where FML isnt in a scumteam


Point 2, I just dont see it at all but it is indeed a possibility.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:07 pm

Woah, quote broke but you get it
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:08 pm

If we suspect mafia will fuck us during the night phase and we lose then that's a good reason to lynch today. The mafia is at least a consort and a potential unknown role if a second wolf exists, which is most likely a mafia head (think: blackmailer, caporegime, godfather) since we've yet to see such a role. I guess there's some risk on a second wolf role but don't think it warrants anything.

JacksonVirgo wrote:@FML why aren't you defending yourself by the way?

I don't actually see a scum case or anything. To my knowledge people just think I'm scum out of POE (no better alternatives). I can't really defend that by town casing myself.

I can only defend myself by finding where the wolves actually are which is what I'm trying to do atm.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:09 pm

What's a caporegime?
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:09 pm

Flake wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:
Flake wrote:@htg

what happens in the case where town and wolves repeatedly choose to no lynch / no kill respectively

Why the heck would maf not kill? They'd roleblock Xlranet and pop Sparking

The idea is statistically villagers win more often in LyLo than MyLo. It never punishes (barring unusual mechanics) and rewards with additional time to gather information or arriving at better conclusions through discussion.

In SFM it may not true sometimes. Let's suppose there are two wolves with two kill power the upcoming night. In this case, we would lose by sleeping (no lynching). Nevertheless, it's the correct play under normal circumstances.

are you always this tryhard

It's not even tryhard though it's the correct play here.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:10 pm

Flake wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:
Flake wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:@ bolded, why not FML/Eqsy

also why not Eqsy/Xlra


for point 1
Xlranet wrote:ok can we list the situations where FML isnt in a scumteam


Point 2, I just dont see it at all but it is indeed a possibility.

what does that have to do with possible fml/eqsy team


They literally asked for scumteams without FML
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:10 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:What's a caporegime?

It probably doesn't exist in this game but it retrains mafia roles to have different abilities from a pre-set of existing ones. It's probably in the standard roles page somewhere. It doesn't matter that much.
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Re: SFM65 | RWBY FM | Day 8 (i cri everytiem)

Postby JacksonVirgo » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:12 pm

Before when I bluffed, would it not have been the mafs best choice to roleblock the second TP by the way? If I was 'on' Phone?
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